Pay it or fight it

Turtle

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It was not in VA it was on the ohio tnpke not a construction zone but the white line on the right hand side next to the breakdown lane. He said 1 tire went over it. I could not believe I was getting A ticket for something like that at 4:00 am and iwas only driving 58 mph in A 70 mph hardly any traffic on the road. I was polite and apologetic but barney fife couldnt let me go with just a warning.
Ah, yes, Ohio. The "marked lane violation" is a popular one. Frankly, I'd consult an attorney on that one, depending on how many times you busted the lane. If it was just once, they got no case, because they have no reasonable suspicion to stop you. If it was 3 (or maybe twice, I'm not sure, but it's been adjudicated for precedent) then they have reasonable suspicion for a DUI stop (or, in Ohio, it's called an OVI, Operating a Vehicle under the Influence).

The Ohio statute containing the rules for driving in marked lanes is R.C. 4511.33. That statute states: “A vehicle or trackless trolley shall be driven, as nearly as is practicable, entirely within a single lane or line of traffic and shall not be moved from such lane or line until the driver has first ascertained that such movement can be made with safety.”

To stop a vehicle for a Marked Lanes violation (or other traffic violation), Delaware v. Prouse says an officer must have “articulable and reasonable suspicion” that an offense has been or is being committed. ”Reasonable articulable suspicion” is defined as the ability of the officer “to point to specific and articulable facts which, taken together with rational inferences from those facts, reasonably warrant” making a traffic stop.

The Ohio Supreme Court addressed Marked Lanes violations in State v. Mays. In that case, a trooper observed the defendant’s vehicle drift across the white fog line by approximately one tire width two times. The trooper made a traffic stop and ultimately charged Mays with O.V.I. (D.U.I.). The trial court ruled that the officer did not have justification for the traffic stop, but the Fifth District Court of Appeals reversed the trial court’s decision. Mays appealed to the Ohio Supreme Court, and the case was determined to be in conflict with the Third District’s decision in State v. Phillips (the Third District concluded that crossing the fog line three times did not justify the traffic stop). The Ohio Supreme Court in Mays held that crossing the white fog line gave the trooper reasonable suspicion to justify the traffic stop and also commented that probable cause (a higher standard of proof) is not required to make the stop.

One interesting issue regarding Marked Lanes violations is the statute’s requirement that a vehicle must be driven within one lane “as nearly as is practicable”. Two Ohio Appellate courts have reached different interpretations of the phrase “as nearly as is practicable”. In State v. Rochowiak, the Second District Court of Appeals reasoned that a driver who crosses the lane line must prove, as an affirmative defense, that the vehicle was still “as nearly as is practicable” within a single lane. In State v. Hernandez, however, the Tenth District Court of Appeals concluded that the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the driver did not drive within one lane “as nearly as is practicable”.

So if it was once, then I'd fight it. If it was 2 or 3 times, I'd pay it and move along.

 

pearlpro

Expert Expediter
In todays CSA Climate and Insurance rates skyrocketing, I think Id pay a legel service to have it plead down to a seat belt etc....get it reduced to a non moving violation, its ridiculous and Barney must have been bored, sounds like the two Jr Officers that said there was a TIP about my truck....I would consult a traffic lawyer .....never take POINTS if you can and yes it will cost you some $$$ but in the end having a clean license is more important.
 

cheri1122

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It was not in VA it was on the ohio tnpke not a construction zone but the white line on the right hand side next to the breakdown lane. He said 1 tire went over it. I could not believe I was getting A ticket for something like that at 4:00 am and iwas only driving 58 mph in A 70 mph hardly any traffic on the road. I was polite and apologetic but barney fife couldnt let me go with just a warning.

Be careful what you wish for: in CSA world, a warning is the same as an actual citation - except you have no chance of getting it dismissed or pleaded down to a lesser violation.
 

Jason2

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
But they never cross the lanes accindently either. yea right.

Another case of " do as I say do, not as I can do."
 

paullud

Veteran Expediter
Be careful what you wish for: in CSA world, a warning is the same as an actual citation - except you have no chance of getting it dismissed or pleaded down to a lesser violation.

Only if there is an inspection, otherwise there are no CSA points.

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aquitted

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OK so who can recomend A good legal service except the one thats 50 bucks A month
 

aquitted

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Retired Expediter
Decided to fight it . $400.00 plus the fine of whatever they get it changed to. I will keep ya'll informed of the progress thanks for all your help and thank you turtle for sharing your knowlege on this situation and also for not letting us get spammed.
 

xmudman

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Lord willing, you'll live up to your screenname and be acquitted here also :)
 

Opel2010

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I really don't understand why a plain policeman is called officer. To be an officer one should be ranked at least as lieutenant, otherwise it's under officer.

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Turtle

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I really don't understand why a plain policeman is called officer. To be an officer one should be ranked at least as lieutenant, otherwise it's under officer.
It comes from the Latin officium (official, office, : service, duty, ceremony, a position of duty, trust, or authority, especially in the government, a corporation, or a society. Both the military sense and the application to petty court officials date to the mid-16th century. The term has been used in the US to refer to policemen since the late 1800s due to the fact that all policemen are officers of the court by extension of the "Investigation and Expertise" segment of the court.

The other two segments, or categories of the court, are "Courtroom" and "Service". In addition to police officer, the "Investigation and Expertise" category includes coroners, medical examiners, subject matter experts and other professionals. The use of their skills, equipment and experience is often required to make a decision, elevating their status from witness to officer. Staff members who work to enforce the decision of the court, such as a marshal, constable, or bail bondsman are also considered officers of the court.

The "Courtroom" category includes judges, prosecutors and defense attorneys, bailiffs (and jailers), arbitrators, mediators and magistrates, as well as the jury as a whole (but not an individual juror).

The "Service" category of the court includes court reporters, interpreters, translators and advocates. The courts rely on the services that these people provide to ensure a just and fair process. In many areas, social workers in child or youth courts are considered to be officers of the court, as they often act as advocates for the child.
 

aquitted

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Retired Expediter
This is an update on my ticket. The lawer called and got it reduced to a non working taillight. $140.00 fine bringing the grand total to $640.00
 

Turtle

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Retired Expediter
Thanks for the update. So many times we never find out the outcome of things like this.

Sucks that it's so much, but at least it's equipment and not a moving violation.
 

Jason2

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Owner/Operator
Now if someone could follow that idiot and watch how many times he crosses the white line and give him a ticket. In the police car or personal would be nice. To see how he likes it.Not you aquitted but the so called cop.I hate when they have to be donkeys.you know what i mean.
 
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