PantherII, solo, D unit drivers?

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I realize there has been several posts as of late on PantherII, but I would just like to know if there are any D unit solo drivers here that run for them?

I called them today and they sound good. All of them do...lol. I've seen them advertising a LOT lately here and on other forums. I guess what I'm asking is...do they have enough freight to keep that many new drivers busy?

... or is there turnover rate so high that they have to that many new drivers to replace the ones who leave?..if so, why the turnover??

If you are running solo in d unit, how many miles are you running per week?

What is your deadhead % ??

Thx, Arky
 

Doggie Daddy

Veteran Expediter
arky, i am only going to be able to answer one part of your question. because i dont work for panther[even though their hq's are just 12 miles from my home]and i dont drive solo.however, i would like comment on the question concerning the turnover rate at the larger companies. all one has too do to see why companies have new drivers being hired every week is to go to a large t/s that is frequented by expediters.take a close look at the cargo boxes on these trucks and you will see a complete history of the companies that the truck has been leased to left in the shadowing of the lettering that was on the truck[it is pretty much impossible to get rid of all traces of the old lettering]there are alot of owner-operators out there that are always thinking that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence, and they are constantly changing companies. i have seen trucks with evidence of 5-6 different companies on them.bottom line is all of the companies will have things that you wont like about them,you just have to figure out which company works best for you.[some will never find this company,and will be in someone elses orientation next week.] good luck to you. DD
 

Dervish

Expert Expediter
This topic is of particular intrest to me as I have ordered my van and must make a choice soon, regarding the company I go to work for. For the past few months I have been driving for an O/O who is under contract with one of the big three. What I see, day to day, is that we as drivers are simply, expendable. I love the work and the respect and support from some staff members and the other drivers is great but.........? Frankly, I truly expected more, not because it is good managment, profitable, or even cost effective, rather I expected it because both in print and in class, speaker after speaker told us they took care of their drivers because we were "valuable". This is simply not true. It is not just about money, but that is part of it . If a company offers a O/O a load that he can't possibly make expenses on, that is just the nature of the beast , The company has to try to make the load and sometimes the O/O might be getting ready to shut down for a few days and if the load is on the way home, he can use the load to help pay for the fuel to go home. Everyone should understand this. It is what happens next, that can create the problem. At this point, sarcasim, threats or out right demands can do great harm to relationships. Moreover, if allowed to fester, the resentments this behavior causes can create an expensive loss of human resources both on the road and in the building.
I am looking for a company that can create a healthy working enviornment that I can be productive in. I want it to be big enough or smart enough to keep me busy, pay .80 + cpm and average less than 20% unpaid miles. Additionally, it has to be truthfull, give me a call now and then to ask how I am doing, tell me when I have done something right and chew my backside when I screw up. In spite of my lack of experience, Panther II appears willing to give me a chance, I am not much on moving around, I am 60 years old and have only worked two places ( I retired from both) so If things work out I will give I will give the Cats 100% and let you know what happens.
PS. What do you think about starting a poll for the drivers to rank the companies on a scale of 1 to 10 for creating a productive enviornment?
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Dervish, I read your reply, & I want to reply to it 1st. then I will reply to the post itself. Dervish, I've been talking with Panther II & Express-1. I noticed right away the difference between the 2 ...Panther II is seeking teams more than solo's. Express-1 sent O/O's after me right away, while Panther seems to be taking their sweet time. I will try not to push either one here, as I myself am still considering both of them. Panther II has roughly-keyword "roughly"-800 trucks<thats a big operation. Express-1 has "roughly" 150 trucks. Where is that small co. feel your looking for? Panther limit's solo drivers to about 500 miles a day. Express-1 limit's their solo's to about 700 miles in a day. Do the math...In that situation alone, Where do you-or I-have the opportunity to make more money? Anytime I've called Express-1 their office staff/recruiters and the O/O's they've had call me or told me to call have all been very open & honest & taken their time with me. They explain everything. Although at 150 trucks versus Panther's nearly 800 trucks, I suppose thats sort of to be expected. Panther, the few O/O's I've spoken with-so far-have been kind of on the pushy side it seems. The office staff is always in a rush, like they just want to get me off the phone & get on to the next phone line. An O/O there is offering 50 cpm in a '01 Shaker 72" Alumi-bunk condo & they take care of fuel & tolls, however-that may not go thru, so I'm not holding my breath on it. Dervish, I'm not tellin' you what to do as an O/O, however I am suggesting that you do more research into both Express-1 & Panther II. Compare the two-'cause the more research I'm doing, the more I'm finding out why drivers go in & out of Panther so much. Interesting numbers...Panther sees 72 drivers a week in their orientation, Express-1 sees about 35 a week, that could have to do with the size of the fleet though I'm sure, And Both have 2 day orientation's too. Panther pays you $75 for a loaded truck going either way across the Canadian Border. Express-1 pays a premium going into Canada, but not going out. Look into that maybe? Another thing Dervish, is that Express-1 does not haul any HazMat, infact they don't even require you to have the HazMat end. on your license. Panther II does, they require you to have HazMat & they do haul HazMat. As far as the amount of dead-head, the recruiter tells you the max amount of dead-head or the min. amounts of dead-head, so you'll have to ask drivers/owners about that-I've found that in any co., if you run hard and/or good-the amount is generally less. That is to say, if they tell you they have 30-35% dead-head, which is what Panther II has I'm told...if you run hard it'll be about 25% roughly<Key Word. Landstar Express, I've begun talks with them, though it's too soon for me to form an opinion of them yet. Well, thats all for you-good luck Dervish, Later, Bob.
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
Arky, read my reply to Dervish as well as this one, but I will tell you here as well. Panther II limit's solo drivers to 500 miles in a day, Express-1 gives solo drivers a max of 700 miles per day. Panther hauls HazMat, Express-1 does not. I have my HazMat end. so that makes no difference to me, shoot I've hauled chlorine & fireworks-not on the same truck of course, but I've hauled them. HazMat-it's common sense, like any freight-it's not dangerous if your careful & conscious of what your moving around. Panther is a big fleet though, they will bid a van rate just to move a truck out of a certain area. At nearly 800 trucks, you can expect plenty of competition amongst drivers in Panther-a company that ironically I'm still looking at for myself. Most expediter fleets seem to have "about the same" dead-head percentage, that is about 30 to 35%. I am looking to drive for an O/O though. Preferably a 60/40 split-or, a 40/60 split where the owner pays the fuel & tolls. Well, thats my 2 cents...good luck-Later, Bob.
 

redytrk

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
There is a very good reason why expeditor co are seeking teams rather than solo's.It's THE NEW HOURS OF SERVICE.It was tough for a sgl to make it under the old rules,and its now darn well impossible.Momma takes a couple of months off during the hollidays.So I stay out there running sgl.The first wk after new rules went int effect.I found my self,out of hours stuck in a rest area in nowhere. OK no problem I get my 10 hours rest.But then I face another dellima.Here I am 3 or 4 hours away from sitting where the Co.wants me to be.Now heres the catch,if I start to move,my 14 hour clock begins ticking. If I move 3 or 4 hrs are gone off my clock,By the time I receive a dispatch,my hours are really limited.Its no wonder the companys prefer teams only.At this point I would suggest solos sign on with a smaller co that covers a regional area,to minimize this problem.
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
No doubt we will all see more & more team operations, not just in Expediting freight work, but also in regular trucking as well.
 

RichM

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
This is true.I had a 14 hour violation yesterday.Too long to give all of the details but I had a delivery at a hotel in Miami Beach,the customer took some of the freight there and said "this stuff must go to the convention center "(Miami Beach Boat Show.)
If any of you have ever done trade shows you know what happens,you get in line and wait. I was 1.5 hours over the 14 hour limit when I finally got unloaded. But I had no choice but to wait,question is who would pay the fine if I was stopped by the DOT or worse If I had a accident while running illegal,even though it was not my fault.After unloading the police would not let me park so it took an additional 30 minutes to find a parking location.Bad day all around.
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I'm sure you did it, & do not say if you did or did not...but the easy-so to speak-way to get around that, is/was to just end at 14 hours. We do that all the time in busses-though you all did not hear me say that. About to be funny, so prepare yourself...Lots of wait time in bus biz-most unreliable freight there is: people-handled by people! Say it ain't so! Smile!
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
unless it is a regional operation, teams are becoming more of a priority to carriers. They also gain more profit and customer retention from team operations. As the driver pool keeps shrinking more emphasis will be on teams. I had heard some companies are going to stop recruiting singles and go to team only operations because of the HOS rules. As a team we just about ran out of hours this week, so I don't kow how the single folks are doing it.
 
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