Panther ii Has 500 Trucks Refusing To Work?
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Ever heard of the phrase "Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear" Every company out there has it's good/bad points. Of course you hear more about the larger ones. It's the difference of one company having 1400 O/O's and the other 500 O/O's. Unless I know the facts from someone "I" actually know and trust that persons views I dismiss the rest as usual T/S rumor bs. Bottom line is most of your expediting co's out there are computer automated. Each customer has their own contract set up with different mileage softwares. Most of the kids hired to answer driver phones no nothing of the industry. On the flip side they also deal with an enormous amount of brand spanking new drivers that can't speak english, some new and some old drivers that can't find their way out of a paper bag, drivers' that stop at every buffet they can hit while under a load and end up several hours late,etc...I've seen both sides of the fence. It's all about what is perceived,not the reality of the situation at hand.
Broompilot
Veteran Expediter
Nice reply Scott. We need to look deep into the mirrior at ourselves. We became independent business people to make our own decisions. Winning about what the Government should or should not do (Health Ins.) is useless. I prefere the Government stay out of all business look what is has done to our industry point and case!
As for Panther I can assure everyone I have not seen any decrease in there presence out there. Work the system and learn from expierenced drivers, all of the drivers I know personally Dave and a couple others are smart, profitable owners who seem to do better each year.
I stay in touch with one of the recruiters, the stories about us drivers and being unprofessional and irresponsible its a miracle that some of these companies can retain accounts. If company A is not a good fit there are plenty here on this site to choose from.
PS as for retirement, start saving today not tommorow thus you can depend less on the govt for assistance.
As for Panther I can assure everyone I have not seen any decrease in there presence out there. Work the system and learn from expierenced drivers, all of the drivers I know personally Dave and a couple others are smart, profitable owners who seem to do better each year.
I stay in touch with one of the recruiters, the stories about us drivers and being unprofessional and irresponsible its a miracle that some of these companies can retain accounts. If company A is not a good fit there are plenty here on this site to choose from.
PS as for retirement, start saving today not tommorow thus you can depend less on the govt for assistance.
Thats a crappy answer! So you want to run your business with a company that rips you off and lets kids answer phones and make deals that are incorrect?? Sounds pretty foolish to me. It seems to me that most of you guys that are happy with panther and these other scam artist are guys that treat your O/O like its a job and not a business. Its like your just glad someone offered you a lease, thats crazy!
>Thats a crappy answer! So you want to run your business with
>a company that rips you off and lets kids answer phones and
>make deals that are incorrect?? Sounds pretty foolish to me.
>It seems to me that most of you guys that are happy with
>panther and these other scam artist are guys that treat your
>O/O like its a job and not a business. Its like your just
>glad someone offered you a lease, thats crazy!
You're making a lot of accusations and presumptions based on nothing but heresay. You haven't driven day 1 with Panther nor the other expedite company you mentioned. It's easy to jump on the bandwagon. I whole heartedly believe in freedom of speech but when you say false statements based on no first hand experience it makes you look illiterate. Just my 2 cents. There's plenty of problems out there no matter who you drive for and 99% of those are simple issues of miscommunication. It's the same old cliche' of dispatchers are dishonest and drivers'are lazy. We know there's bad apples on both sides of the fence no matter where you go. You sound like one of those that I've seen that have had several decals on their trucks and the outlines are still present. Expedite world is nowhere near perfect. All you can do is manage your business and handle it in such a matter to make the most money you can.
>a company that rips you off and lets kids answer phones and
>make deals that are incorrect?? Sounds pretty foolish to me.
>It seems to me that most of you guys that are happy with
>panther and these other scam artist are guys that treat your
>O/O like its a job and not a business. Its like your just
>glad someone offered you a lease, thats crazy!
You're making a lot of accusations and presumptions based on nothing but heresay. You haven't driven day 1 with Panther nor the other expedite company you mentioned. It's easy to jump on the bandwagon. I whole heartedly believe in freedom of speech but when you say false statements based on no first hand experience it makes you look illiterate. Just my 2 cents. There's plenty of problems out there no matter who you drive for and 99% of those are simple issues of miscommunication. It's the same old cliche' of dispatchers are dishonest and drivers'are lazy. We know there's bad apples on both sides of the fence no matter where you go. You sound like one of those that I've seen that have had several decals on their trucks and the outlines are still present. Expedite world is nowhere near perfect. All you can do is manage your business and handle it in such a matter to make the most money you can.
Broompilot
Veteran Expediter
I am not taking your comment personal. But let me point out a fact you have been a member here how long? Yet you know the facts that Panther rips people off left and right correct?
I can assure you that the successfull operators with this company do just fine and work out the problems. As for kids I do not know are your facts able to be backed up with what you say?
What makes ConWay so much more honest? I am pretty sure there are negatve comments on this site about them as well.
If you run your business professionally and are not happy than move on. This is exactly what I did 10 months ago, so move on if your not happy, but to accuse Panther of ripping people off would be better believed if you would put actual facts down.
I can assure you that the successfull operators with this company do just fine and work out the problems. As for kids I do not know are your facts able to be backed up with what you say?
What makes ConWay so much more honest? I am pretty sure there are negatve comments on this site about them as well.
If you run your business professionally and are not happy than move on. This is exactly what I did 10 months ago, so move on if your not happy, but to accuse Panther of ripping people off would be better believed if you would put actual facts down.
Broompilot wrote:
but to accuse Panther of ripping people off would be better believed if you would put actual facts down.
That won't happen because he has no facts. As with any company, if you are deciding what loads to take or not take, how are they ripping you off?
If one company was so much better than another, everyone would be there. Panther has its good and bad points like any company.
Panther has essentially the highest growth rate of all the expediters. I don't think that happens by accident, or "ripping people off" I don't think Fenway would have aquired them under questionable conditions.
If you want to promote Conway fine, but inaccurate statements about Panther or another carrier erode your credibility on other posts.
Davekc
owner
21 years
but to accuse Panther of ripping people off would be better believed if you would put actual facts down.
That won't happen because he has no facts. As with any company, if you are deciding what loads to take or not take, how are they ripping you off?
If one company was so much better than another, everyone would be there. Panther has its good and bad points like any company.
Panther has essentially the highest growth rate of all the expediters. I don't think that happens by accident, or "ripping people off" I don't think Fenway would have aquired them under questionable conditions.
If you want to promote Conway fine, but inaccurate statements about Panther or another carrier erode your credibility on other posts.
Davekc
owner
21 years
theoldprof
Veteran Expediter
I'm a Newbie contracted to Panther II. So far I am satisfied with them. I wish you guys would let me know perzactly how PII is going to screw me so I can watch out!!
Thanks. :+ :+
Thanks. :+ :+
oldprof wrote
I'm a Newbie contracted to Panther II. So far I am satisfied with them. I wish you guys would let me know perzactly how PII is going to screw me so I can watch out!!
Thanks.
Hundreds are waiting on that exact answer.
Funny how I think it is not likely to materialize.
But if it does, it will likely be generated by someone with two months or less expediting experience and doesn't drive for Panther.
Davekc
I'm a Newbie contracted to Panther II. So far I am satisfied with them. I wish you guys would let me know perzactly how PII is going to screw me so I can watch out!!
Thanks.
Hundreds are waiting on that exact answer.
Funny how I think it is not likely to materialize.
But if it does, it will likely be generated by someone with two months or less expediting experience and doesn't drive for Panther.
Davekc
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Sounds like a touch of jealousy to me... with the main course being ignorance. I drove for P2 and had my run-ins with them, but overall, I'd go back if I had to drive for a company again. Some of their practices are questionable to me, mostly qualcomm and safety combining to become Superbigbrother. But they are still the best company to run for, in my opinion, for teams.
Bigdiesel, I doubt you've even talked to a P2 driver (unless it's one with 30% acceptance and 40% availability), cause you would know the scoop. Go out and find one. In the meantime, I hope you make bundles off of Conway, cause I've heard they're a good company. But until you've been on both sides of the fence, quit taking a dump on the other side.
Bigdiesel, I doubt you've even talked to a P2 driver (unless it's one with 30% acceptance and 40% availability), cause you would know the scoop. Go out and find one. In the meantime, I hope you make bundles off of Conway, cause I've heard they're a good company. But until you've been on both sides of the fence, quit taking a dump on the other side.
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I'm a Newbie contracted to Panther II. So far I am satisfied with them. I wish you guys would let me know perzactly how PII is going to screw me so I can watch out!!
Thanks.
Theoldprof
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Hundreds are waiting on that exact answer.
Funny how I think it is not likely to materialize.
But if it does, it will likely be generated by someone with two months or less expediting experience and doesn't drive for Panther.
Davekc
______________________________________________________________
First let me qualify myself, for the sake of davekc’s reply.
I do not drive for Pll nor do I have 2 months or less experience I am a newbie driver of 20 plus years. I was finally told by many about 8 years ago, it was okay to take the cotton from my mouth and throw it away. I have been holding a steering wheel covering nearly 1.8 million miles of roads delivering freight a little over 20 years, been delivering expedite freight for 13 plus years of that 20. I’ve work with many dispatchers over the years; still do, as well as companies.
In my many years doing deliveries for others, I can honestly say I have only been royally screwed (not paid) once. There is a hand full I will not ever deliver for again unless they pay before I do the job. This hand full agreed to pay one price and once invoiced paid a lower sum.
In my years working with dispatchers I never had or have any problems with them as long as I keep our relationship on a professional working level. The minute I let our relationship get personal, I start encountering problems with the person I got personal with.
What I mean is, if I get overly zealous and friendly with a dispatcher they seem to use it against me, or I against them, one way or another. One must know where to draw that line.
In response to Theoldprof question, I’d have to say No company is intentional going to screw you personally. If a company is of the screwing with people nature they will screw anyone and everyone who they can do it to, if they knowingly think they can get away with it. There may be one or two people within the company who will take kindness as a weakness and try to use you for their own personal gain, or you for yours.
I would say you need to always act in a professional way no matter what happens. IE: Say you are dispatched to a place and when you arrive another driver is also there for the same load. When it’s all said and done the other driver got the load. (I know this to happen. A dispatcher gets a nice trip, tries to call one of his PALS, to give him to load but no one answers, so dispatcher has to cover the load, sends you, then his PAL returns the call only to be given the load.) Make sure you get paid for an attempt, plus the deadhead miles you traveled to the load. If the dispatcher who made the mistake in the first place isn’t willing to cooperate, go over his head and that persons head until you get satisfaction. Do not let them blow you off, by telling you they’ll take care of you with a better trip. Always maintain and remember you are a business just like the company you are leased to.
Know your contract and know it well. When someone tells you of a policy change or a new one, that isn’t in your contract, ask for a copy of the memo that was circulated, and the date it went into effect. It could very well be you are interpreting one thing whereas the other person is defining it another way. Always get clarification from a supervisor.
I’d say 95% of those who quit a company then started campaigning against that company either didn’t know they too are a company, or over stepped their bounds acting as if they were an employee.
FYI: Definition of PAL, Personal A__ licker!!!
I'm a Newbie contracted to Panther II. So far I am satisfied with them. I wish you guys would let me know perzactly how PII is going to screw me so I can watch out!!
Thanks.
Theoldprof
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Quote:
Hundreds are waiting on that exact answer.
Funny how I think it is not likely to materialize.
But if it does, it will likely be generated by someone with two months or less expediting experience and doesn't drive for Panther.
Davekc
______________________________________________________________
First let me qualify myself, for the sake of davekc’s reply.
I do not drive for Pll nor do I have 2 months or less experience I am a newbie driver of 20 plus years. I was finally told by many about 8 years ago, it was okay to take the cotton from my mouth and throw it away. I have been holding a steering wheel covering nearly 1.8 million miles of roads delivering freight a little over 20 years, been delivering expedite freight for 13 plus years of that 20. I’ve work with many dispatchers over the years; still do, as well as companies.
In my many years doing deliveries for others, I can honestly say I have only been royally screwed (not paid) once. There is a hand full I will not ever deliver for again unless they pay before I do the job. This hand full agreed to pay one price and once invoiced paid a lower sum.
In my years working with dispatchers I never had or have any problems with them as long as I keep our relationship on a professional working level. The minute I let our relationship get personal, I start encountering problems with the person I got personal with.
What I mean is, if I get overly zealous and friendly with a dispatcher they seem to use it against me, or I against them, one way or another. One must know where to draw that line.
In response to Theoldprof question, I’d have to say No company is intentional going to screw you personally. If a company is of the screwing with people nature they will screw anyone and everyone who they can do it to, if they knowingly think they can get away with it. There may be one or two people within the company who will take kindness as a weakness and try to use you for their own personal gain, or you for yours.
I would say you need to always act in a professional way no matter what happens. IE: Say you are dispatched to a place and when you arrive another driver is also there for the same load. When it’s all said and done the other driver got the load. (I know this to happen. A dispatcher gets a nice trip, tries to call one of his PALS, to give him to load but no one answers, so dispatcher has to cover the load, sends you, then his PAL returns the call only to be given the load.) Make sure you get paid for an attempt, plus the deadhead miles you traveled to the load. If the dispatcher who made the mistake in the first place isn’t willing to cooperate, go over his head and that persons head until you get satisfaction. Do not let them blow you off, by telling you they’ll take care of you with a better trip. Always maintain and remember you are a business just like the company you are leased to.
Know your contract and know it well. When someone tells you of a policy change or a new one, that isn’t in your contract, ask for a copy of the memo that was circulated, and the date it went into effect. It could very well be you are interpreting one thing whereas the other person is defining it another way. Always get clarification from a supervisor.
I’d say 95% of those who quit a company then started campaigning against that company either didn’t know they too are a company, or over stepped their bounds acting as if they were an employee.
FYI: Definition of PAL, Personal A__ licker!!!
Ok you guys are right Ill wait a couple of months before I tell you how dumb it would be to drive for PantherII maybe then it will qualify me to believe what all these post are saying about pantherII. Your absolutely right all these bad poat on here about Panther are unfounded we should not believe what these guys are saying and that also means we should not believe anything you are saying about how good they are. I have yet to hear one person driving for Panter II rebutt the other posts on this website. Its my opion and im intitled to it.
bigguy1001
Expert Expediter
Lawrence, PLEASE put a spell check in the post form area. Thank You!
greg334
Veteran Expediter
>Hi Garman 351,
>
> The Indians {Native Americans} may of thought the same
>thing when the Europeans arrived. Our ancestors thought the
>same thing when the Irish and Chinese came here and worked
>in building the railroads and cities. Remember that the
>southwest and California was Spanish speaking untill after
>the Mexican American war.
> We were not as political correct back then we believed
>might made right. This forced people to adapt to our culture
>so they to may reap the rewards of our expansion and become
>more easily accepted.
> These Ideas changed in the 60's and 70's. The country was
>forced to become more understanding to cultures that are not
>like ours. Before this Business and Gov. would of never
>thought of using any other language but english in there day
>to day activities.
> The Gov. did not help disaster victims untill early 1920's
>we had to take care of ourselves. We had no hospitalization
>back then, no Social Security, no pensions, no medicare, no
>min. wage, no Unions, no welfare.These Ideas only came about
>in the 30's thru 60's.
> These programs are now thought to be our rights and we
>deserve them. They are not in the Constitution.
> The nation is evolving and we will have bumps in the road
>but we are still the best place to be. These problems we
>face today are minor, ask people who lived during the great
>depression, or people who escaped facism and communism.
>
>
>
I agree with your premise of your post but I can’t agree with your facts. My wife made me promise that I will not write a correction to some of the information in your post. If you want a correction, I will send it to you.
I do agree with Garmin351, We are in big trouble unless we as a country start changing things and the way we think.
>
> The Indians {Native Americans} may of thought the same
>thing when the Europeans arrived. Our ancestors thought the
>same thing when the Irish and Chinese came here and worked
>in building the railroads and cities. Remember that the
>southwest and California was Spanish speaking untill after
>the Mexican American war.
> We were not as political correct back then we believed
>might made right. This forced people to adapt to our culture
>so they to may reap the rewards of our expansion and become
>more easily accepted.
> These Ideas changed in the 60's and 70's. The country was
>forced to become more understanding to cultures that are not
>like ours. Before this Business and Gov. would of never
>thought of using any other language but english in there day
>to day activities.
> The Gov. did not help disaster victims untill early 1920's
>we had to take care of ourselves. We had no hospitalization
>back then, no Social Security, no pensions, no medicare, no
>min. wage, no Unions, no welfare.These Ideas only came about
>in the 30's thru 60's.
> These programs are now thought to be our rights and we
>deserve them. They are not in the Constitution.
> The nation is evolving and we will have bumps in the road
>but we are still the best place to be. These problems we
>face today are minor, ask people who lived during the great
>depression, or people who escaped facism and communism.
>
>
>
I agree with your premise of your post but I can’t agree with your facts. My wife made me promise that I will not write a correction to some of the information in your post. If you want a correction, I will send it to you.
I do agree with Garmin351, We are in big trouble unless we as a country start changing things and the way we think.
Big Diesel wrote
Your absolutely right all these bad poat on here about Panther are unfounded we should not believe what these guys are saying and that also means we should not believe anything you are saying about how good they are. I have yet to hear one person driving for Panter II rebutt the other posts on this website. Its my opion and im intitled to it.
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Maybe you should look at the numbers before you comment. On this thread there are 42 posts. If I exclude your contribution, there is only one negative post with regards to Panther. The other thread has 35 posts that contain two negative comments directly relating to Panther if I exclude your posts.
I have no clue as to what you are reading or in some cases, spelling? Many of the posts within the Panther thread are not even discussing Panther.
Out of 77 posts, three maybe four posts are negative. Not exactly huge numbers.
Davekc
owner
21 years
Your absolutely right all these bad poat on here about Panther are unfounded we should not believe what these guys are saying and that also means we should not believe anything you are saying about how good they are. I have yet to hear one person driving for Panter II rebutt the other posts on this website. Its my opion and im intitled to it.
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Maybe you should look at the numbers before you comment. On this thread there are 42 posts. If I exclude your contribution, there is only one negative post with regards to Panther. The other thread has 35 posts that contain two negative comments directly relating to Panther if I exclude your posts.
I have no clue as to what you are reading or in some cases, spelling? Many of the posts within the Panther thread are not even discussing Panther.
Out of 77 posts, three maybe four posts are negative. Not exactly huge numbers.
Davekc
owner
21 years
>Ok you guys are right Ill wait a couple of months before I
>tell you how dumb it would be to drive for PantherII
When you've driven several months for a particular company you'll be in a position to tell us if it's smart or dumb to drive for that particular company. You will be in no better position to comment on a company you've never worked for then than you are now. Perhaps if you'd tell us what has your shorts knotted about Panther we'd be better able to understand your position but as it is all we see is someone appearing far more negative about a company they've had no direct association with than should be expected.
Leo Bricker
OOIDA 677319
truck 4958
73's K5LDB
Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
>tell you how dumb it would be to drive for PantherII
When you've driven several months for a particular company you'll be in a position to tell us if it's smart or dumb to drive for that particular company. You will be in no better position to comment on a company you've never worked for then than you are now. Perhaps if you'd tell us what has your shorts knotted about Panther we'd be better able to understand your position but as it is all we see is someone appearing far more negative about a company they've had no direct association with than should be expected.
Leo Bricker
OOIDA 677319
truck 4958
73's K5LDB
Support the entire Constitution, not just the parts you like.
tiredofsittn
Expert Expediter
i was with them for a little over three years, started out real well but then went down hill like a snowball headed for $#@%. funny i never see any of the low numbered units anymore.
G
guest
Guest
BigDiesel, I predict that if you will just listen more and type less, in a few months you will look back on your early posts and wish you could take a lot of them back. You have a cartoonish understanding of this business. Experience will replace that with reality and you will see that reality is more complicated than Panther II bad/Con Way Now good.
Just take it easy and soak up some of the experience that folks here share for free.
Just take it easy and soak up some of the experience that folks here share for free.