Panther II experiences

sunnytravels

Expert Expediter
Can anyone give me some feedback on their experiences with Panther II as a team? We have a team and have been talking to Panther II, but when we went for orientation it wasn't at all what we would expect. It was very unprofessional and they had some basic customer relations problems. This has left us wondering if anything they've said up to this point will be true.

We'd like to hear from past and current Panther II teams/drivers. Good, bad or other experiences. What could we expect if we go forward with them?
Thanks for your feedback!
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
I found their orientation to be somewhat professional. It was laid-back, though the info was very informative. However, I had a team sitting next to me who got phonecalls every few minutes and were very loud when on the phone. They were only told once to take it to the breakroom. I'm sure it annoyed the whole room. Other than that, I'd say they did a fantastic job.

What kind of customer relations problems are you talking about?

As far as keeping their word on everything, I believe all companies make themselves smell like roses at orientation. When in fact, some things smell like the fertilizer. If you're curious about something in particular, or would rather talk privately, send me a message. I'll help if I can, or point you to someone who will.
 

dieseldoctor1

Expert Expediter
Wife and I have been with Panther for over 7 years and are satisfied with them. We run a van. Pulled for CTX before and were satisfied with them except they paid a percentage of load and did a lot of discounting. Not going to say that a dispatcher won't lie to you but overall Panther is a good company to pull for. Dieseldoctor
 

mvbn1

Expert Expediter
I'm not a "team", although my wife might say I'm big enough to be two people , and I run with Panther II in a cargo van. I've had great luck with them.
 

raceman

Veteran Expediter
Mike, What a sweet line. I am talking about your wife calling you a team. Cracked me up.

Raceman
Owner Two Straight Truck.
Part time driver of one of my trucks and local TT.
2 years OTR Expediting
1 yr local Expediting
Line Haul TT 2mon.
OTR Straight Truck Plt to Plt off and on 5 years.
Based in Cincy Ohio
Currently at Express-1
Father of 4 children
Grandfather of 1 boy
3 years without full use of my mind
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
We currently have been pleased as well. I sent you an email at your request (PM) to answer your other questions.
Davekc
 

BigBusBob

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I drove for PII, and was very pleased with them, and would like to get back on with them. I was the victim of a bad owner though - who's no longer with PII. PII has welcomed me back with open arms, the people at PII have told me that whenever I'm ready they're ready for me.
I'm not able to make it to the KY show due to a NYC run, however perhaps I'll be able to make it out to one of the other upcoming truck shows to see PII in either Vegas or TN... I will not miss the Dallas Truck show - boss man owes me favor for me doin' NYC run (Smile).

PII is a good co. in my opinion. Their dispatch system can get a little hectic at times, however once you know the good ones you'll be ok. Take the bad stuff with the good stuff and they'll take care of you in the long run. Thats the key, and becareful of empty moves on the QC. When you make your drop, and confirm drop on the QC, do a 300 mile fleet reposition inquiry on the QC and move accordingly on the that info, as opposed to the Empty move info.
Be nice, refuse as little as possible, drive hard, make lots of money.
They're a good co., every co. is gonna have it's faults. I like PII because the dispatchers try to work with you and they're safety orientated - as tough as it gets, remember that like you, they too have a job they must do. Thats all, time for Charlotte & NYC... Later, BBB
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I am a solo O/O with them. I found their orientation to be pretty good considering about half of any orientation is identical to every other orientation. I'd probably give it a 4 out of 5. My transition team advisor Rick gets an 11 out of 10. He made things very easy and enjoyable. Good luck to you.

Leo
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merkurfan

Expert Expediter
I love um. Then again, I have only been driving for them for uhh 4 days :D Orentation was good, more info than my little melon can take and they laid canada on pretty thick. I found at least with the drivers I have run in to many do not like going there. Hence they push canada in orentation. I run a cargo van. Thus far they have deadheaded me about 10% no complaints thus far.

Remember, as a team for panther if you pass the department of defense background checks you can run their loads at .30 a mile more :)

Little note on dispatchers. While at orentation I learned that they are going to try to go back to dedicated dispatchers so you will only have to deal with one per shift.
 

Truckcop

Expert Expediter
Signed on with them in 2002, quit a year later. Returned to them later and more experienced. I thought that I would give them another chance, ran for a year and left them for good.

My overall opinion of them is very unfavorable. But as you can see from the replies, opinions vary.

just a few of my experiences with them:

...received a load from Columbus, OH to Seattle, WA. Even though I was in a straight truck that was to be paid $1.20 mile and they loaded my 22' truck full, dispatch said that this was a special customer, load paid $1.00 mile. I took it anyway. Delivered in Seattle and sat there for a week solid. They finally empty moved me to Chicago (avg'd about .12 mile back to Chicago). Received a haz-mat load offer from, picking up 100 miles away, going 120 miles to delivery. I refused it. They then told me that if I did not take it, that I would loose my empty move money from Seattle - Chicago. Basically, the knew they had me over a barrel and took advantage. Of course, I refused the load anyway. (You know whats not funny in this situation is; I told my co-driver what they were going to do, even before the did it.)

...received a load to San Jose, CA from OH. ($1.00 mile again). Delivered load and sat there five days until "back haul" found a load paying my truck .35 mile, going from Sacramento, CA to Pits, PA. Took the load amd delivered. Ended up having to unload, break-down (categorize by type) and restack 14 pallets of almond boxes.

...kept offering loads to a team that a single driver could/should take. Started refusing them, dispatch would then call and argue and call and argue, threaten to black-list (term used was "will not look to good on your profile").

...did not explain clearly that your first paycheck will be a month from your first load, and that will be 1/4 of an average pay settlement.

...froze pay settlements (3x) without advising me (the owner). They said that the computer automatically did not. They did not make it right until it happended the third time, then I called a supervisor that handled it for me. (this happening tends to upset driver(s) very much)

...started "beeping" us on loads, waking up the passenger, saying "just checking on you, you are running 30 mins behind" and then "okay, you are now 5 mins ahead", "okay, you are now 2 hours ahead". (Incidentally, we were NEVER late for any load, p/u or del)

...did not appreciate the sarcastic dispatchers. I was always professional and freindly with them.

<added this>

To sum it up, every company is going to have it's up and it's downs. To me, PII just seemed to have more negatives than all the other companies put together. Keep in mind that I only have experience in a straight truck (owned two) and that I have only leased with three companies over my tenure in expediting.
 

drivertr 123

Expert Expediter
Truckcop,

I would just like to congradulate you on your very well written information about Pantherll. Every statement you made regarding this company is so very accurate!

I would also like to point out that they were not truthful to me either regarding the time period to receive a first full paycheck!

I take that you were a truck owner. I myself was not fortunate enough to be. With this context in mind I would like to let any new drivers that do not own ther own truck. To be very careful in finding a good honest owner. Since Panther has this lousy hold back policy! really can put you in a very vulnerable position if you end up with one of these Dead-beat owners! Owners hold all the cards, and a person could end up with being ripped off a large amount of cash as I did.

New Drivers out there don,t misunderstand me.
There are a lot of good honest owners out there. Just be careful!

Again I would like to say that what I just got through reading about Pantherll is unbelievably true!
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
Truckcop wrote;
Signed on with them in 2002, quit a year later. Returned to them later and more experienced. I thought that I would give them another chance, ran for a year and left them for good.
My overall opinion of them is very unfavorable. But as you can see from the replies, opinions vary.

just a few of my experiences with them:

...received a load from Columbus, OH to Seattle, WA. Even though I was in a straight truck that was to be paid $1.20 mile and they loaded my 22' truck full, dispatch said that this was a special customer, load paid $1.00 mile. I took it anyway. Delivered in Seattle and sat there for a week solid. They finally empty moved me to Chicago (avg'd about .12 mile back to Chicago). Received a haz-mat load offer from, picking up 100 miles away, going 120 miles to delivery. I refused it. They then told me that if I did not take it, that I would loose my empty move money from Seattle - Chicago. Basically, the knew they had me over a barrel and took advantage. Of course, I refused the load anyway. (You know whats not funny in this situation is; I told my co-driver what they were going to do, even before the did it.)

For the purposes of new people considering leasing to a carrier, let me engage on some of these issues with Panther.
If you are in Columbus, why would you take a load to Seattle if you either didn't know how or didn't want to backhaul a load from there. Especially if you were there in a prior year. Regardless of company, there is very limited expedited freight in the Northwest. In addition, why on earth would you sit there a week? Bottom line, you accepted a load for a $1.00 a mile which you shouldn't have done. That is your fault, not Panther

...received a load to San Jose, CA from OH. ($1.00 mile again). Delivered load and sat there five days until "back haul" found a load paying my truck .35 mile, going from Sacramento, CA to Pits, PA. Took the load amd delivered. Ended up having to unload, break-down (categorize by type) and restack 14 pallets of almond boxes.

Here again, why did you take that load for same criteria as above?
Why did you sit for five days again? It is not there job to find you your backhauls. If you did the backhaul, you should have talked to the broker. Why did you agree to .35 per mile and hand unloading the freight. You have to negotiate these items up front. Again, you are the one that should be negotiating this, not Panther. You can say no to any of these loads, yet you are complaining. If your rate is a $1.20, and you refuse a $1.00 rate, it isn't a refusal anyway.
Both areas would have had numerous loads besides the ones you took.
Chicago and Columbus? are you kidding me?

...kept offering loads to a team that a single driver could/should take. Started refusing them, dispatch would then call and argue and call and argue, threaten to black-list (term used was "will not look to good on your profile

It is a first in/first out system. What ever comes up, that goes to the next truck in line. Not selective load matching. After reading hundreds of posts, I have not read or heard of this "blacklist"

...did not explain clearly that your first paycheck will be a month from your first load, and that will be 1/4 of an average pay settlement.

Pay is rotated on a 15 day cycle. Most carriers operate in this fashion short of the comdata allowances you have with your owner.
Currently that number is 40% of the gross at the end of the trip.
No idea where you get they are paying .25 of the gross unless you subtract your owners pay and your advances?


...started "beeping" us on loads, waking up the passenger, saying "just checking on you, you are running 30 mins behind" and then "okay, you are now 5 mins ahead", "okay, you are now 2 hours ahead". (Incidentally, we were NEVER late for any load, p/u or del)

There obligation is to the customer and to you. If you were running 30 minutes behind, you are now on their radar. If I was a customer, I would want that situation monitored regardless of what your past performance might have been.

We can agree to disagree but I am not seeing things the same way.
Based on your post it appears that most of your misery was of your own making.
Davekc
owner
20 years
 

Truckcop

Expert Expediter
davekc

Let me start by saying that by analyzing your written and your expressed attitude along with your written demeanor, I believe you to be a very frustrated individual. Similar to the kind of person that would mouth relentlessly on the CB radio, knowing that the words spoken will not have any ramifications, due to the anonymity of the radio.

Nevertheless, I will address your remarks.

1. When I was at PII, everyone graduated from orientation Wednesday afternoon at noon time. Here is an example: Lets say that you completed class at noon on the 9th day of this month (March). If you received your 1st run Friday the 11th and delivered on Monday the 14th, then immediately sent in the run for payment. Panther would not "post" (recognize receipt) of that run until the Monday the 21st, they would then pay out on the run the second Friday after showing receipt, which would be the 8th day of April. Count the days davekc, the 9th of March to the 8th of April.

Now look at it closely davekc...

2. When you see something written as this "...received a run." The … indicate that it is an excerpt taken out of context, which means that there is more to the story than a current situation may allow (time restraint, space, etc.).

So, that being understood now; in reference to the trip to Seattle, I had been sitting quite a while and had bills to pay. I was also told by dispatch that they would be able to get me back in a reasonable amount of time.

In reference to the San Jose trip, I informed them about my bad experience. The reply was "no problem, we are getting a lot of freight out of the LA area."

As far as the $1.00 a mile, it was not brought to my attention in orientation that there was in fact, discounted freight.
(note on this, after this I met with Rick who said that "each load can be negotiated".

3. In reference to the "first up first out". Come on davekc, you cannot be that inexperienced.

What would you say if I told you that whenever random urine tests are done, dispatchers put their trucks out of service for a few minutes, before the selection is made. You probably don't know this, but I was told by a PII insider that the selection is done on "in-service" units only. PII sends an in-service list to a third-party company, who then selects from the list.

Well davekc, I hope that I have addressed all of your remarks and hopefully you will know what you are writing about next post. Good luck, don't get seen talking on the CB...
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
In response to message #11
Truckcop wrote

davekc
Let me start by saying that by analyzing your written and your expressed attitude along with your written demeanor, I believe you to be a very frustrated individual. Similar to the kind of person that would mouth relentlessly on the CB radio, knowing that the words spoken will not have any ramifications, due to the anonymity of the radio

It is apparent that you don't know me. I have been around a long time, and there is little I do that one would consider anonymous.
For whatever it is worth, I seldom use the cb as they are for my drivers.
1. When I was at PII, everyone graduated from orientation Wednesday afternoon at noon time. Here is an example: Lets say that you completed class at noon on the 9th day of this month (March). If you received your 1st run Friday the 11th and delivered on Monday the 14th, then immediately sent in the run for payment. Panther would not "post" (recognize receipt) of that run until the Monday the 21st, they would then pay out on the run the second Friday after showing receipt, which would be the 8th day of April. Count the days davekc, the 9th of March to the 8th of April.

Pay periods are on Wednesday. You paperwork for that week arrived after that. So instead of it being on the week you expected, it would fall back one week from that ending date. Had they recieved the paperwork on 3/15 it would have been a week earlier.

. When you see something written as this "...received a run." The … indicate that it is an excerpt taken out of context, which means that there is more to the story than a current situation may allow (time restraint, space, etc.).

OK I am confused. You have space and time to discuss whether I talk on the cb, but can't explain "received a run"

So, that being understood now; in reference to the trip to Seattle, I had been sitting quite a while and had bills to pay. I was also told by dispatch that they would be able to get me back in a reasonable amount of time.

In reference to the San Jose trip, I informed them about my bad experience. The reply was "no problem, we are getting a lot of freight out of the LA area."

As far as the $1.00 a mile, it was not brought to my attention in orientation that there was in fact, discounted freight.
(note on this, after this I met with Rick who said that "each load can be negotiated".

As posted, the above issues with San Jose and Seattle are your own fault.You are the one that accepted these loads.

What would you say if I told you that whenever random urine tests are done, dispatchers put their trucks out of service for a few minutes, before the selection is made. You probably don't know this, but I was told by a PII insider that the selection is done on "in-service" units only. PII sends an in-service list to a third-party company, who then selects from the list.

I suppose next you are going to tell everyone that every dispatcher has a fleet of trucks and is avoiding the drug testing?

You expressed your views so I will leave it that
Davekc
owner
20 years
 
G

guest

Guest
That was my experience w/ panther to a tee. Some people seem to have pretty good luck with them, but I for one did not. Running single you will be given a lot of 100 to 200 mile runs. If you accept it, thats it, you re done for the day. After sitting for a couple days you ll pretty much take anything they offer you, and they know that. They like to beep you constantly if they see you running a few minutes behind. Never once was I late, but would get these obnoxious messages over the qualcomm in rush hour traffic telling me " you are running behind" And it does take a very long time to start getting paid when you first start. The norm was 1000 to 1300 miles a week.
 

plumcrazy8

Expert Expediter
Expectations with P2?:

Expect to wait 4 to 6 weeks for your first pay.

Expect to have more than a few heated exchanges with inexperienced dispatchers.

Expect to be put out of service if you turn down 3 loads.

Expect to go to the bottom of the board if you refuse even 1 load.

Expect to spend ALL 15 minutes allowed checking the integrity (missing/inaccurate info) of the load offer. No extra time is allowed just because you have questions, you will be eliminated from the offer.

Expect to be driven mercelessly insane by the constant pinging.

Expect to make a lot of money if you can deal with all the above.

Things may or may not be this way now but that was my experience.

Good Luck to you, and bring plenty of Valium, Paxil, whatever gets you through it!

All in all a good company but they can get on your nerves and push you into a bad decision - hold your ground.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
Expectations with P2?:

"Expect to wait 4 to 6 weeks for your first pay."

We didn't have to wait that long for pay, though I found out that everything I send in by Friday gets paid in two weeks.

"Expect to have more than a few heated exchanges with
inexperienced dispatchers."

Yep... I just play dumb with em.

"Expect to be put out of service if you turn down 3 loads."

Never happened here. We were in Nashville and turned down SIX loads in one day till we got a decent run.

"Expect to go to the bottom of the board if you refuse even 1
load."

True... though there are a couple of exceptions. A few dispatchers love to hang this over your head when offering a crap run, especially when you've worked up to your #1 status. Easiest thing to do is decline it and move to another, less jammed, area.

"Expect to spend ALL 15 minutes allowed checking the
integrity (missing/inaccurate info) of the load offer. No
extra time is allowed just because you have questions, you
will be eliminated from the offer."

Don't let dispatch talk you into something you aren't sure of. You have 15 minutes, use every one if you have to.

"Expect to be driven mercelessly insane by the constant
pinging."

Yep... don't let get to you. When they ask what the delay is, be vague. We're taking care of truck business, or fuelling, or something like that.

"Expect to make a lot of money if you can deal with all the
above."

Amen!

"Things may or may not be this way now but that was my
experience."

"Good Luck to you, and bring plenty of Valium, Paxil,
whatever gets you through it!"

"All in all a good company but they can get on your nerves
and push you into a bad decision - hold your ground."

Well said!!! Go with your gut! If it seems bad, turn it down (unless you're sitting in a bad area).
We were in Florence, KY. After a mini in which the hi-lo driver drove his forks into my box frame, we turned down another mini. We also turned down a run to Tulsa, OK. I was asked by dispatch that I was turning down a 789 mile run, in which I replied: "Yes, the surcharge is too low." He replied that next time he'd try to get me gas money for the whole trip. I told him he was "very professional".

My point at this run being... Sure, it was 800 miles, but to an area we don't get runs out of. With the 100 miles dh to pu the load, there were at least 300 more to get into a freight zone. We would have driven 1200 miles for a .06/mi surcharge. Not worth the time or money, IMO. Instead, we turned down another mini to Indianapolis. Then got a 400 mi run to Alabama which I accepted. On our way to Atlanta for layover (we turned down the layover in Birmingham), we were offered a 1000 mi run to Alliston, ON. Perfect... we got home for my daughter's birthday and without much dh.

You have to learn how to play your cards. As Davekc said, you can't blame anyone but yourself for taking a crappy run. Take everything into account instead of just the lure of miles. A 400 mile run got me more than an 800 mile one in the end. And Truckcop, if you don't listen, you will not learn. Davekc knows the ins and outs of that company, and expediting in general.

T-hawk
"It's deja-vu all over again" - Yogi Bera
 

merkurfan

Expert Expediter
Alright. with a few weeks under my belt I have some info on pay, and the claimed "wait 4 to 6 weeks to get paid" Wrong.. Wrong and Wrong. I am sure if you fill a pro out wrong or don't send in all the paperwork they want there will be a delay. But I just got around to asking for access to the owners side of the panther web site today. I was poking around and noticed.. Hey wait.. I was paid today.. My first batch of pro's where recived 4-1-05, today is 4-15-05 looks like 15 days to me. Kind of nice to, I was down to about 200 bucks after some unexpected bills from home snuck up on me.

Next to every pro I have yet to be paid for it says "terms 15 days" so I guess it's not every friday, but 15 days from when they get the pro. We'll see. The next batch of pro's would be due on the 20th.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I never did understand where this 4 to six weeks came from?
We wait two weeks and that is it.
Must be sitting on the paperwork or it is filled out incorrectly
Davekc
 

LDB

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I believe they are talking about just the initial pay after orientation. We were told on Monday during orientation it takes a few days to get set up in the computer. We were told when we became available after orientation ended Tuesday to send in the envelope immediately after our first run. We were told if it was in by Friday it would be on payroll in a little less than 3 weeks due to setting things up. We were told after that payroll is weekly based on a 15 day wait from arrival of paperwork to pay being loaded on the card. We were told how to go online and see the date received and that it says terms 15 days.

If we didn't go in service right away or didn't send it right away so that it got there a week from Friday it would be the payday after that. This was on Monday 1/31 and first pay would be Fri 2/18 unless we didn't do our part in which case first pay would be no sooner than 2/25 or whatever Friday came after 15 days after arrival of the envelope. The only way for it to take 4 to 6 weeks is to not go in service for a week or two after orientation ends or to go in service but not send in the envelope for a week or two.

Panther is not perfect but what company is? They do very well on payroll. I've had no errors yet and it comes in just as they said it would during orientation.

Leo
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