Panther and UPS Part II
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I would say your friends at FedEx that are lucky to get loads paying $1.10 are either feeding you a line of BS or very poor business people. I run solo and those numbers are not close to what I do.
I try to stay out of these types discussions because, frankly, I am happy that everyone is happy where they are and hope they stay there. I have nothing against any of the companies or the people who work for them. I have figured out that the one great truth professed on this forum is what works for one does not necessarily work for another. It takes time to figure out what works for you.
I like our shirts. They are comfy, cool and mine were free. So there!
P.S. Greg, You were out of line with the company bashing.
I try to stay out of these types discussions because, frankly, I am happy that everyone is happy where they are and hope they stay there. I have nothing against any of the companies or the people who work for them. I have figured out that the one great truth professed on this forum is what works for one does not necessarily work for another. It takes time to figure out what works for you.
I like our shirts. They are comfy, cool and mine were free. So there!
P.S. Greg, You were out of line with the company bashing.
Lanier1 you go!! Good post. I also question the 1.10 at mile offers. Yes we do get low offers at times but wow do we also get more really good ones. That is sure part of the excitement of our job is looking at the qualcomm to see what the miles and load will pay. I also feel that one company does not fit all and why I stay away from Panther posts as I do not know about there policies. We also have Panther friends, and Landstar friends and all I can say is each company has their own set of problems. You just have to find what works best for you.
As for our FedEx Apparel you are right it is very comfortable and very easy to wash. When we walk into a customer there is no questions they know who we are and what we want. Works great for us and we think we are stylin!
It really bothers me when a driver for one company bashes another company. Also if you have not been with the company you are bashing in the very recent past you don't know what the policies are or how they have changed. I believe sometimes with FedEx Custom Critical we wake up in a new world every day and most policy changes are for the better.
Greg don't know where you are coming from every company out here has great drivers who are a credit to our profession.
As for our FedEx Apparel you are right it is very comfortable and very easy to wash. When we walk into a customer there is no questions they know who we are and what we want. Works great for us and we think we are stylin!
It really bothers me when a driver for one company bashes another company. Also if you have not been with the company you are bashing in the very recent past you don't know what the policies are or how they have changed. I believe sometimes with FedEx Custom Critical we wake up in a new world every day and most policy changes are for the better.
Greg don't know where you are coming from every company out here has great drivers who are a credit to our profession.
are12
Expert Expediter
I hope you realize that I was only joking about the uniforms!
The topic is about UPS and Panther.
As we stated before:
"The only thing UPS is lacking is an expediting division so Panther could possibly be a pawn in the business ventures of UPS."
We do not feel this would be a bad thing for Panther or UPS.
As for our friends at FedEx giving us a line of BS - why would they lie about not making money????
Have a great night!!
The topic is about UPS and Panther.
As we stated before:
"The only thing UPS is lacking is an expediting division so Panther could possibly be a pawn in the business ventures of UPS."
We do not feel this would be a bad thing for Panther or UPS.
As for our friends at FedEx giving us a line of BS - why would they lie about not making money????
Have a great night!!
are12 Thought you were kidding about the FedEx Apparel!
One truck does not make a fleet so one truck is not a good example of how the general fleet is doing. If you are in a bad area and you stay in a bad area you get bad loads or no loads.
I believe on one hand we where trying to defend Panther and all other Independent Contractors that they can start a fleet and on the other hand defend FedEx Custom Critical that 1.10 in not the normal average for a load offer for a D Express Truck.
FedEx and Panther appear to be miles apart on how a load is offered. You just cannot compare the two side by side.
One truck does not make a fleet so one truck is not a good example of how the general fleet is doing. If you are in a bad area and you stay in a bad area you get bad loads or no loads.
I believe on one hand we where trying to defend Panther and all other Independent Contractors that they can start a fleet and on the other hand defend FedEx Custom Critical that 1.10 in not the normal average for a load offer for a D Express Truck.
FedEx and Panther appear to be miles apart on how a load is offered. You just cannot compare the two side by side.
I think every company from time to time shoots out a low rate load offer. It doesn't mean you take it. Many times their are van loads or loads that come out that are in desolate areas.
Some are accounts like LG that Fedex does for under 1.10 If it gets you moving out of a poor area, I don't see anything wrong with taking it. Are you going to sit for two to three days on principle, or run to an area where the rates are more profitable?
Same deal at Panther. If we are sitting in Oregon for example, you can bet we are taking the 1.10 load if it is coming back east before we sit for days. Additionally, those 1.10 loads at Panther usually have a decent FSC atached to them.
If you don't want it, there is no penalty and you don't lose your board position.
"Businessman first, driver second"
Davekc
owner
22 years
PantherII
EO moderator
Some are accounts like LG that Fedex does for under 1.10 If it gets you moving out of a poor area, I don't see anything wrong with taking it. Are you going to sit for two to three days on principle, or run to an area where the rates are more profitable?
Same deal at Panther. If we are sitting in Oregon for example, you can bet we are taking the 1.10 load if it is coming back east before we sit for days. Additionally, those 1.10 loads at Panther usually have a decent FSC atached to them.
If you don't want it, there is no penalty and you don't lose your board position.
"Businessman first, driver second"
Davekc
owner
22 years
PantherII
EO moderator
DaveKC you are proving my point about talking about other companies loads. We have hauled several LG loads and from different cities and even with dead head all have been about the 1.10 mark.
We as FedEx Custom Critical Contractors cannot with any authority discuss what a Panther contractor recieves for a load just as a Panther contractor cannot discuss what a FedEx Custom Critical driver gets per mile. The load offers are not the same.
We as FedEx Custom Critical Contractors cannot with any authority discuss what a Panther contractor recieves for a load just as a Panther contractor cannot discuss what a FedEx Custom Critical driver gets per mile. The load offers are not the same.
nightcreacher
Veteran Expediter
the ryder discount is the lowest rate we have,but it is still better than 1.10/mile.dont know where these figs are comming from
redhotxpress
Seasoned Expediter
Dave, you're right about not losing board position or getting refusals for reduced rate loads...at least that is the way it is supposed to be....however...in the past week, we have ran into numerous people telling us that they have had to call to have refusal corrected for reduced-rate loads, loads offered when they were out of service, etc. we thought it was just happening to us. we got put o/s just for refusing a load last wednesday, got a refusal for a load we refused that didn't p/u for 28 hrs last thursday and also had a comment that our action prevented the on-time delivery of the load. so my advise is to keep an eye out and make sure you don't get hit with refusals you don't deserve. there are many new dispatchers and mistakes do happen.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Company bashing?
I guess if that is what you all say is what I am doing?!?
Well read what I said A G A I N, because I don’t see it as company bashing and not very many people seem to understand what I am saying, so I may be a little defensive in this post.
First off Panther is good to the drivers, their staff and to the customers, but don’t forget it does not matter what any they or we think, it is the guys and gals at that top level that make the decisions. These ‘leaders’ are in reality removed from our world as much as we are removed from theirs.
To make it clear the people at UPS and their consultants (yes there would be a group of acquisition consultants advising them) are looking at risks and performance, something that may go way, WAY beyond the information that is provided to prospective investors during the IPO phase of the company. If UPS would be involved with Panther, there would be non-disclosure agreements (which by the way would also be backed by some SEC insider trading laws and serious fines and jail sentences), a study team at Panther watching how they work and a complete and total opening of the books to outside accounting firm(s). Which all means is this; even if the company at that size (UPS) is needing to expand into a market, they MAY consider Panther too much of a risk because of their fast growth (remember this is post-internet boom/bust era now) and see difficulties in not acquiring the company but the actual integration of the company into the larger company to make it a profitable acquisition as fast as possible.
Sound familiar? Hummmm…….
When you deal with the process first hand or experience a take over or worked on an upper management team, all of which I have done, you may understand the convoluted logic in all of it. There are more things that go on behind the scenes than most care to understand.
As for UPS competing against their #1 competitor, please!
Do you honestly think that UPS is so concerned with FedEx that they would enter ever market that FedEx is in just to compete?
Do you also think that the top dogs, Fred Smith and Michael Eskew don’t talk to each other?
Like I have been saying, they operate at a completely different world and Panther’s leadership is not of that world – maybe Fenway partners is.
Look we are talking about a company, UPS, who has the resources to tackle this other then buying up companies who compete with FedEx, they already have their foot in the door. Like I said in my last post, it may be that they will shift the freight around to allow an expansion.
I had a very interesting talk with a former Panther manager a couple weeks ago, got his card right here for his new company. Well anyway we discussed how FedEx and UPS could actually clean up this entire market with the resources they have in petty cash and came to the conclusion they won’t because of what I said before, they see it as part of a 'package' of services that they can offer to a customer, not as a main stay as part of their business model. FedEx doesn’t dump a lot of money into CC because as I think Terry said it is a foot note on the yearly shareholders report.
You know that UPS could devote .03% of their budget and kick serious a** within this niche market?
If they took the approach I think they should, they would be a force to worry about.
I guess if that is what you all say is what I am doing?!?
Well read what I said A G A I N, because I don’t see it as company bashing and not very many people seem to understand what I am saying, so I may be a little defensive in this post.
First off Panther is good to the drivers, their staff and to the customers, but don’t forget it does not matter what any they or we think, it is the guys and gals at that top level that make the decisions. These ‘leaders’ are in reality removed from our world as much as we are removed from theirs.
To make it clear the people at UPS and their consultants (yes there would be a group of acquisition consultants advising them) are looking at risks and performance, something that may go way, WAY beyond the information that is provided to prospective investors during the IPO phase of the company. If UPS would be involved with Panther, there would be non-disclosure agreements (which by the way would also be backed by some SEC insider trading laws and serious fines and jail sentences), a study team at Panther watching how they work and a complete and total opening of the books to outside accounting firm(s). Which all means is this; even if the company at that size (UPS) is needing to expand into a market, they MAY consider Panther too much of a risk because of their fast growth (remember this is post-internet boom/bust era now) and see difficulties in not acquiring the company but the actual integration of the company into the larger company to make it a profitable acquisition as fast as possible.
Sound familiar? Hummmm…….
When you deal with the process first hand or experience a take over or worked on an upper management team, all of which I have done, you may understand the convoluted logic in all of it. There are more things that go on behind the scenes than most care to understand.
As for UPS competing against their #1 competitor, please!
Do you honestly think that UPS is so concerned with FedEx that they would enter ever market that FedEx is in just to compete?
Do you also think that the top dogs, Fred Smith and Michael Eskew don’t talk to each other?
Like I have been saying, they operate at a completely different world and Panther’s leadership is not of that world – maybe Fenway partners is.
Look we are talking about a company, UPS, who has the resources to tackle this other then buying up companies who compete with FedEx, they already have their foot in the door. Like I said in my last post, it may be that they will shift the freight around to allow an expansion.
I had a very interesting talk with a former Panther manager a couple weeks ago, got his card right here for his new company. Well anyway we discussed how FedEx and UPS could actually clean up this entire market with the resources they have in petty cash and came to the conclusion they won’t because of what I said before, they see it as part of a 'package' of services that they can offer to a customer, not as a main stay as part of their business model. FedEx doesn’t dump a lot of money into CC because as I think Terry said it is a foot note on the yearly shareholders report.
You know that UPS could devote .03% of their budget and kick serious a** within this niche market?
If they took the approach I think they should, they would be a force to worry about.
FAMILYEXPDT
Seasoned Expediter
new crop of dispatchers and they make mistakes....send an email to your team leader ...takes less time than to post here and it is fixed....until refusal reasons are sutomated, mistakes will be made.
-charlotte
-charlotte
thats strange.
i am back at 3 states and my dispatcher sent me to my fleet planner about a short ups load that id refused. dispatch told me that they really needed help because they are trying to get the ups freight from the black cat.
as usual its hard to tell where whats going on.
i am back at 3 states and my dispatcher sent me to my fleet planner about a short ups load that id refused. dispatch told me that they really needed help because they are trying to get the ups freight from the black cat.
as usual its hard to tell where whats going on.
Here's what's happening: UPS brokers out most of its true expedite loads to true expedite carriers, such as Panther, Tri State, etc. They are in negotiations with a select few of these carriers for new contracts to provide services for them. Once the haggling is finished, there will probably be 2 or 3 primary carriers that will handle most of the UPS expedites since they have too much business for any one carrier to take on. There won't be any mergers or acquisitions, but there will be a large chunk of expedite business contracted out to 2 or possibly 3 of the major players. Stay tuned...
Greg....my dad is a multi-billionaire and since I contract to Panther, he ask what he could do to help. I said he could buy out FedEx CC and all the other expedite companies. He said he would make some phone calls and offer 10 times what these companies are worth, buy them, and then shut them down so I would have no competition. I thanked him. He said, your welcome...So looks like in the very near future, couple weeks at most, you will have to apply to Panther if you want to stay in this business.
As for me...I'm just waiting for my inheritance....so I can buy 5000 new expedite trucks with 120" sleepers and pay all my drivers $250,000 per year guaranteed for the first year...I will call my new company ##### Cat
Express...would you like an application?
As for me...I'm just waiting for my inheritance....so I can buy 5000 new expedite trucks with 120" sleepers and pay all my drivers $250,000 per year guaranteed for the first year...I will call my new company ##### Cat
Express...would you like an application?
Lets just add to the rumour mill for a sec...
Express-1 has been actively recruiting and says it has projected a large expansion project in the future? As per the CEO in the press release.
They are making us get TSA approved for air cargo something that wasn't required before....
Could this be a prelude to E-1 getting a piece of the UPS pie?
Will the kitty cat or FDex get froze out of UPS contracts?
stay tuned continued later.....................
Express-1 has been actively recruiting and says it has projected a large expansion project in the future? As per the CEO in the press release.
They are making us get TSA approved for air cargo something that wasn't required before....
Could this be a prelude to E-1 getting a piece of the UPS pie?
Will the kitty cat or FDex get froze out of UPS contracts?
stay tuned continued later.....................
Jim.....and let the games begin....meow....*LOL*
targuard86
Expert Expediter
Not true at all about EGL. I had my best week ever there just last week.
Andy Lazar
Trooper Transport, inc
Andy Lazar
Trooper Transport, inc