Overhauling Military Retirement????

[layoutshooter]

You CANNOT change what was a LEGAL contract for those who already fall under the system. Make a promise, you keep it. You can start with all new enlistees with any thing you want. You had better get the wages up on par with civilians if you are going to expect people to have a civilian style retirement. It is NOT even close. Even today.

 

[greg334]

You CANNOT change what was a LEGAL contract for those who already fall under the system. Make a promise, you keep it. You can start with all new enlistees with any thing you want. You had better get the wages up on par with civilians if you are going to expect people to have a civilian style retirement. It is NOT even close. Even today.

Want to bet it can be changed?

The contract can be nullified for a number of reasons and has for a number of people.

As for the pay, I would expect it to be the same as anything else - the pay isn't increased but the additional funding that is needed is added in on a projected basis. I think an added benefit which I would want to see is NO taxing of any military person on their military pay for any reason.

 

[clcooper]

Want to bet it can be changed?

The contract can be nullified for a number of reasons and has for a number of people.
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then why have a contract at all . i can see if both parties agree .but not if one doesnt agree to it . oh that is right . the soldiers are dealing with the government which will either change it no matter what . or say either this or lose every thing . and i really hope /wish the government will do that . (to see how many leave the service ,like a strike)

i just wonder if any of the soldiers can do that ???

 

[layoutshooter]

Sure, our useless government can do anything it wants. There is NO honor or integrity to be found. The way I look at it is this, IF they just change the contract, no phase in, then bye bye. No workee daddeeo. So long, eat my dust etc and so on. %50 of not a lot is not a lot. They enlisted for a contract. HONEST people would honor that. It is NOT the fault of the soldiers that the government did NOT plan ahead.

 

[greg334]

If our country was to run out of money, all the obligations that were made on behalf of the citizens of this country should be scrutinized with no exceptions. NO matter if there was a contract or not - if there is no money, there is no money.

IF I have to make a hard choice on our future of our country, it is simply that I expect a citizen to suffer through any ordeal, I expect everyone to have the same leveled playing field regardless what they did in their lives or who agreed upon what - it has nothing to do with the government or the integrity of those who are in charge. My only exception is and will be Combat vets and civilians who have been put into harms way to defend our country.

We are a ME FIRST country and the same type of selfishness seems to permeates every aspect and level of our lives in this country with no real understanding of what we face, what it will take to live through it and more important any real sacrifice that is needed to do anything that moves us forward.

No matter what people think, I said this a couple years ago and most of what I warned here and other places seems to be coming true. The end result is we will be in a depression and a serious one because everyone wants and no one wants to give.

Just a reminder, the military culture in this country has been getting a bit too large, not the soldier end of things but the other end of it. We were warned twice by Eisenhower and his move in 1955 was to cut way way back on spending which in part triggered a recession. His move was to hold back what we have today, officers running around ignoring the chain of command and justifying actions like Libya by acting like diplomats. We need to address that issue by reminding those in uniform they are not elected or appointed officials but they work directly for the civilian government - not the other way around. Those who have been outspoken seem to also see a career beyond the military with some of the same contractors who are getting big contracts and not fulfilling the needs of the country. THIS is related because it has to do with the finite amount of money we have, send it to those who are entitled to it, combat vets.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

There was an article about the Can. military spending ...after an audit...the civilian/contractor end of it is out of control and not enough checks and balances..since the Aphgan war, way out of whack...they are in process of cutting it back...examining every position...I would think the US system too is a huge sink hole for cash...

 

[layoutshooter]

Greg, the problem is that everything is NOT on the table. The ONLY people being asked to "sacrifice" are those who EARNED something.

You see EXPANSION of welfare rather than elimination. You see EXPANSION of the size and cost of government rather that downsizing and cost savings. You see EXPANSION of government aid to other counties rather then doing away with it.

CUT GOVERNMENT FIRST!! Eliminate entire departments, FIRST. Cut out aid to other countries, FIRST. Cut the pensions of ALL elected officials, FIRST, those bums did nothing to EARN it. THEY are the cause of the mess. Cut WELFARE before you cut benefits that people EARNED first. If hard working Americans

Then, and ONLY then, do you cut monies and benefits that were EARNED under a LEGAL AND BINDING CONTRACT. Pay the hard working people who EARNED their way through life FIRST. After all, they are the ones who have been covering for those who did NOT see fit to EARN anything! (I do not mean people who are sick or other wise unable to work through NO fault of their own, Just the bums)

Don't pretend or fall for the idea that "everything is on the line". It is NOT. Obama Care is not. Further expansion of unemployment (welfare II) is not. The Department of Education is NOT. The Department of Commerce is NOT. The pensions and pay for elected officials is NOT. Get my drift?