Only in California...

[Pilgrim]

...would the lawmakers submit to their Governor a law requiring the public schools to teach the historical contributions of homosexuals and transvestites - at taxpayers' expense of course.

"California lawmakers on Tuesday sent the governor a bill that would make the state the first requiring public schools to include the contributions of gays and lesbians in social studies curriculum. The bill, passed on a party-line vote, adds lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender people as well as people with disabilities to the list of groups that schools must include in the lessons. It also would prohibit material that reflects adversely on gays."

Read more: Bill Mandating Gay History in Schools Goes to Calif. Governor - FoxNews.com

Keep in mind that religious education is prohibited, but this sexually oriented indoctrination is deemed by the liberal CA lawmakers as perfectly acceptable. With this type of curriculum being promoted, it would come as no surprise in the near future to see the CA public schools teaching no one but the children of illegal Mexicans; the children of mainstream citizens will all be home-schooled or in private or parochial schools. It's a joke that this liberal agenda is to be added to an already financially overburdened school system while people wonder why that state is literally going broke.
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[greg334]

wow I clicked on this thinking it was about the Chinese language ballots that were printed. I think that translating names into other languages and messing them up is a bit more important.

 

[Turtle]

I don't have a problem with kids being taught the accomplishments of gays. One example used in the article is "Alan Turing, a mathematician who helped crack Nazi Germany's secret codes by creating the "Turing bombe," a forerunner of modern computers." It's an important part of history. I remember learning about him in high school. His accomplishments were discussed, but his sexuality was not, because it is irrelevant to his accomplishment. The problem comes when they say he did this because he was gay, as if gayness had anything to do with it.

 

[Poorboy]

Never mind!

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I don't have a problem with kids being taught the accomplishments of gays. One example used in the article is "Alan Turing, a mathematician who helped crack Nazi Germany's secret codes by creating the "Turing bombe," a forerunner of modern computers." It's an important part of history. I remember learning about him in high school. His accomplishments were discussed, but his sexuality was not, because it is irrelevant to his accomplishment. The problem comes when they say he did this because he was gay, as if gayness had anything to do with it.

Right... it makes no difference if he was gay or a circus clown. In fact, there are many more people who are relevant to our history than Turing. What about Ross MacLean, writer of the "Too Fat Polka"? Robert Kearns, inventor of the intermittent wipers? Or Dave Anderson, owner of Famous Daves? I don't know about them being gay or not, but they were important! More important than a code breaker. I mean... how boring is that? I'd rather our kids listen to "I don't want her, you can have her. She's too fat for me!" in class, while chowing down on ribs and corn bread.

 

[Monty]

Hawk knows ... Famous Dave's! What a place ... now where did I leave that garbage can lid?

 

[layoutshooter]

Yeah, code breaking IS boring. Been there, done that. You can thank your lucky stars that there are people out there doing that or you would have been goose stepping today, or living in a gulag.

"Gay history" is as dumb as "Black History". All these "special histories" are being pushed to divide the Nation. The more wedges you can drive between the People the weaker they become.

Study HUMAN history. That is all there is after "Natural History".

 

[greg334]

Living in a fascist world maybe but not living in a soviet world. The odds were against them to begin with.

As for the subject at hand, I don't have any kids in the California school system and if this happens here, I won't have kids in the public school system which is going to happen anyway. If I am required to teach gay history as part of home schooling, then I will teach it as it should be taught - here are gay people, here is what they did for our world and it wasn't because they were gay but people.

As for special histories, I am all for black history, Irish history, Italian history and so on as long as it shows contributions to the world as people and as I said here are some black people, here is what they did for the world and it wasn't because they were black but people.

What I don't like is the idea that it is made out that some groups are more important than others which is sometimes misinterpreted at the school level. I'm just glad we don't have WASP history month.

 

[layoutshooter]

Living in a fascist world maybe but not living in a soviet world. The odds were against them to begin with.

As for the subject at hand, I don't have any kids in the California school system and if this happens here, I won't have kids in the public school system which is going to happen anyway. If I am required to teach gay history as part of home schooling, then I will teach it as it should be taught - here are gay people, here is what they did for our world and it wasn't because they were gay but people.

As for special histories, I am all for black history, Irish history, Italian history and so on as long as it shows contributions to the world as people and as I said here are some black people, here is what they did for the world and it wasn't because they were black but people.

What I don't like is the idea that it is made out that some groups are more important than others which is sometimes misinterpreted at the school level. I'm just glad we don't have WASP history month.

Seems to me that the Soviets did pretty darn good job in the murder department in a LOT of Europe, Asia, South and Central America. Had we not "held the line" as we did there is no telling what may have happened. I know, I have NO idea what I am talking about, right?

There is no need to mention race, national origin or anything else when teaching history unless it is needed for the lesson. Like the queen of Sheba paid for the expedition to Lower Slavobia.

 

[greg334]

Seems to me that the Soviets did pretty darn good job in the murder department in a LOT of Europe, Asia, South and Central America. Had we not "held the line" as we did there is no telling what may have happened.

Well so did we. We have a history too, more so in some cases than the soviets had. If we compare their atrocities to our, we come out second but not with clean hands.

Now we are a stupid country, who in their right mind would hint at let alone put out a news release that we are operating in covert ways in Yemen?

If we held the line?

We dropped the ball with FDR/Truman with the Soviets. We didn't do a well enough job protecting our secrets and we failed to understand the real threat until it was too late. We fought in two civil wars against the communist and we lost.

 

[layoutshooter]

Well so did we. We have a history too, more so in some cases than the soviets had. If we compare their atrocities to our, we come out second but not with clean hands.

Now we are a stupid country, who in their right mind would hint at let alone put out a news release that we are operating in covert ways in Yemen?

If we held the line?

We dropped the ball with FDR/Truman with the Soviets. We didn't do a well enough job protecting our secrets and we failed to understand the real threat until it was too late. We fought in two civil wars against the communist and we lost.

Civil wars? You mean Vietnam where we were fighting the Soviets? Same in Korea. A "civil" war is brother against brother. What happened with the "communists" was outside influences using "civil war" to effect a takeover. We did not lose. We could have finished both off quickly, that was NOT the plan. Our plan was to encircle and keep them engaged for YEARS to drain the Soviet economy. I did NOT like that plan, it prolonged the horror for more than 50 years. Millions, upon millions, died and were enslaved due to that policy.

I know, it was none our business and we just should have allowed it to occur. It would NEVER affect us here.

Truman was an idiot, as was FDR.

With all of our warts, all of the things we have down wrong, we have NEVER even came close to what the Soviets did and will do again in the near future.

 

[Pilgrim]

I don't have a problem with kids being taught the accomplishments of gays. One example used in the article is "Alan Turing, a mathematician who helped crack Nazi Germany's secret codes by creating the "Turing bombe," a forerunner of modern computers." It's an important part of history. I remember learning about him in high school. His accomplishments were discussed, but his sexuality was not, because it is irrelevant to his accomplishment. The problem comes when they say he did this because he was gay, as if gayness had anything to do with it.

Right on - leave the sexual orientation, skin color, etc. out of the lesson. The other part of the proposed lesson that bothers me is in the last sentence of the quote: "It also would prohibit material that reflects adversely on gays."

Is there any doubt there's a biased agenda in play here? Hopefully Gov. Moonbeam will veto this nonsense just like his predecessor did.

 

[greg334]

Korea was a civil war, north vs. south.

Vietnam was a civol war, north vs. south.

NOW Libya is a civil war, the government vs. who the hell knows.

We lost Korea because we didn't get a chance to finish the job and dumping billions into their economy while defending their land.

We lost in Vietnam because of our stupidity.

"Our plan was to encircle and keep them engaged for YEARS to drain the Soviet economy."

I thought that plan was conceived in the late 70's and executed under Reagan. I don't think we could have done it in the 50's or 60's by any means unless we contracted our military spending by a large percentage and bought more countries to control.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Yeah, code breaking IS boring. Been there, done that. You can thank your lucky stars that there are people out there doing that or you would have been goose stepping today, or living in a gulag.

"Gay history" is as dumb as "Black History". All these "special histories" are being pushed to divide the Nation. The more wedges you can drive between the People the weaker they become.

Study HUMAN history. That is all there is after "Natural History".

Blah blah blah. Just for you, we'll have "Codebreaker History" and "Throw the Bums Out History". How's that, Nancy?

 

[layoutshooter]

Blah blah blah. Just for you, we'll have "Codebreaker History" and "Throw the Bums Out History". How's that, Nancy?

No, I don't need "codebreaker history". No one cares, they have their brewskis, that's all that counts. Shallow people.

 

[layoutshooter]

Korea was a civil war, north vs. south.

Vietnam was a civol war, north vs. south.

NOW Libya is a civil war, the government vs. who the hell knows.

We lost Korea because we didn't get a chance to finish the job and dumping billions into their economy while defending their land.

We lost in Vietnam because of our stupidity.

"Our plan was to encircle and keep them engaged for YEARS to drain the Soviet economy."

I thought that plan was conceived in the late 70's and executed under Reagan. I don't think we could have done it in the 50's or 60's by any means unless we contracted our military spending by a large percentage and bought more countries to control.

Hardly Greg. As per normal history was NOT taught in school. The change started WAY back during Truman albeit haphazard at first. It was made hard policy in late 1969 during Vietnam. IF I remember correctly it was May or June, '69. There was a marked "change" in priority in "the business" that marked the change. Reagan just more or less made it public.

We did not "lose" in Korea, the US did NOT fight there. The UN did. We did EXACTLY what we wanted to in Vietnam. We could have kept it up MUCH longer had congress not cut funding. We could have beat them any time we wanting, military wise.

I don't know about Libya, I am no longer in that business, thankfully.

Keep in mind that the first "communist" moves into South East Asia took place in, IF I remember correctly from my target study classes, 1836 or 37. It was a group called the PKK or PKP, (it has been FAR too long since I studied that) Dutch radicals.

The first "Cold War" death of an American was in 1945, while WWII was still on in the Pacific. John Birch was killed by Chicoms. My Dad had problems with Chicoms as well.

NOTHING is as simple or clear cut as our history text books want to make it out to be.

 

[tbubster]

are there even any history books that have "GAY HISTORY"in them?Do they really think that a company in say maine is gonna rewrite the history books because of a law in California.If this is the case then every other person in the history book should be pointed out as haveing been stright!

 

[Tennesseahawk]

are there even any history books that have "GAY HISTORY"in them?Do they really think that a company in say maine is gonna rewrite the history books because of a law in California.If this is the case then every other person in the history book should be pointed out as haveing been stright!

Well, so far we know J Edgar Hoover was gay, and a transvestite. He was also totalitarian, and planted evidence/caused entrapment of presidents. I don't think he'll be going in anyone's book.

What I find fascinating is that the history of gayness may be old, but the history of coming out of the closet is relatively new. I could imagine the speculation of being gay as coming from a Monty Python sketch...

Rock Hudson... gay
Freddie Prince... gay
Liberace... as gay as it gets
Tom Cruise... COME OUT OF THE CLOSET!
J Edgar Hoover... gay... and liked to dress in women's clothing, and hang around in bars.

 

[greg334]

caused entrapment of presidents

Really?

Who was that?

 

[Tennesseahawk]

caused entrapment of presidents

Really?

Who was that?

Go back to sleep, Greg.