One Way .... Or Another
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Well, clearly we didn't - we went to them, starting at least 60 years ago - which is the very thing that gave us the horror show depicted in the image ..... for every subsequent effect, there is always a prior cause .....
Do you not even believe your own government ?
One can choose to continue stickin' their hand on the red-hot burner on that stovetop, and live with the necessity of wondering why exactly it is, that for some very odd reason, it seems fairly painful when doing so ..... as the flesh is peeling off the third degree burn .....
Or ya can just get honest and straight yourself .... take some responsibility for the history that exists and what is actually currently going on ..... and maybe have a decent shot at living in peace with your fellow man ..... or not ....
Either way you choose, me and mine won't be participating in any national insanities of that sort ...
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Sorry but the human race IMO has been a total failure up to this point in time....we've not created or did anything in history to make this world any better..except for for own self interest..we've done nothing but depreciate the value of this planet...
As long as even one person/persons still kills another to impose their will over another, we are nothing better then the lowest form of life...all we've accomplished to make the killing a little more efficient/cleaner...
The good Lord should have taken the 6th day off..
As long as even one person/persons still kills another to impose their will over another, we are nothing better then the lowest form of life...all we've accomplished to make the killing a little more efficient/cleaner...
The good Lord should have taken the 6th day off..
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
OVM, you are right to a point...but the fact is as long as there are 2 men on this plant, there will be wars...one will always want to control the other...it's in the genes or jeans...might even be in the "air jordons" or on FB...you see where a woman killed her friend for taking her off her friends list!?!?....
War...it will always be with us.....
War...it will always be with us.....
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Yeap anything Might be possible...but as long as mens mentality is to control, and the vast majority are of that ilk they will kill to that end....as the old saying goes, " the strong will survive"...and beyond that, the world has whole industries and military systems in place to insure that it continues...oh i forgot there are also whole "politicial systems" in place to make sure war and killing continue...
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Got to tell you all that listening to our second great leader in the country talk about the fight in Afghanistan, I am sure that our need to be there is not serving any purpose nor will it ever prevent us from being attacked.
“the Taliban per se is not our enemy.” - Biden
Even with the per se, any reasonable person would think that our fight against terrorism is met with defeat when we look at a group who not just supported terrorist groups but also acted against the nature of what we supposedly stand for when we reason to get involved with things like Libya - inhumane treatment of people.
I think at this point in our history, and with the rhetoric of many on the left and some on the right, like Biden coupled with the actions of our government who is considering releasing gitmo prisoners to get a possible agreement, we don't have the strength nor the reasoning to be spread out in the world as we are with the intention to stop bad things from happening.
To this Ron Paul seems to have it right. Sorry for the conservative/liberal foreign policy experts among us but a contraction of our troops may be something we need to seriously consider because what ever we think we can do to protect us won't happen when we are on foreign soil but here.
“the Taliban per se is not our enemy.” - Biden
Even with the per se, any reasonable person would think that our fight against terrorism is met with defeat when we look at a group who not just supported terrorist groups but also acted against the nature of what we supposedly stand for when we reason to get involved with things like Libya - inhumane treatment of people.
I think at this point in our history, and with the rhetoric of many on the left and some on the right, like Biden coupled with the actions of our government who is considering releasing gitmo prisoners to get a possible agreement, we don't have the strength nor the reasoning to be spread out in the world as we are with the intention to stop bad things from happening.
To this Ron Paul seems to have it right. Sorry for the conservative/liberal foreign policy experts among us but a contraction of our troops may be something we need to seriously consider because what ever we think we can do to protect us won't happen when we are on foreign soil but here.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Greg,
The statement by Biden is significant - when considered along with the following:
Who said this prescient bit of wisdom ?
Paul Wolfowitz, back in 2003.
Now, if just the mere presence of troops, who were not actually at war, is such a source of "great difficulty", how much more would the potential difficulty be, if are troops are in places where, due to the nature of the war, the combatants are largely indistinguishable from the civilian population, and as a consequence, significant numbers of civilians are dying - particularly when one consider that one of the fundamental tenets of Islam is that "an attack on one, is an attack on all" ?
The statement by Biden is significant - when considered along with the following:
"[W]e can now remove almost all of our forces from Saudi Arabia. Their presence there over the last 12 years has been a source of enormous difficulty for a friendly government. It's been a huge recruiting device for al Qaeda. In fact if you look at bin Laden, one of his principle grievances was the presence of so-called crusader forces on the holy land, Mecca and Medina. I think just lifting that burden from the Saudis is itself going to open the door to other positive things."
Who said this prescient bit of wisdom ?
Paul Wolfowitz, back in 2003.
Now, if just the mere presence of troops, who were not actually at war, is such a source of "great difficulty", how much more would the potential difficulty be, if are troops are in places where, due to the nature of the war, the combatants are largely indistinguishable from the civilian population, and as a consequence, significant numbers of civilians are dying - particularly when one consider that one of the fundamental tenets of Islam is that "an attack on one, is an attack on all" ?
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RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Here's a very simple question or three which might merit a little discussion, with a short preface:
Conventional "wisdom" says we need to "take it to them" to show that we are "strong" and to be "feared"
The questions are:
What does it show the world about our "strength" when such machismo demonstrations end in failure ?
What does it show the world about our "strength" when such machismo demonstrations repeatedly end in failure ?
Would it not be better to be known as being the strongest power on the planet, without having to demonstrate the ways in which we are not ?
What does it show the world about our "strength" when such machismo demonstrations repeatedly end in failure ?
Would it not be better to be known as being the strongest power on the planet, without having to demonstrate the ways in which we are not ?
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Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
One way... or another... I'm gonna find ya... I'm gonna getcha getcha getcha getcha.
Sorry... it just came to mind.
Sorry... it just came to mind.
If it has tires or testicles...its going to be a problem...
mxzane933
Seasoned Expediter
.....remember. the best most prosperous peice of literature that has ever graced this country the Constitution of the United States of America? I wish i did ive read about it and learned about it but seen it put to play nope ......rlent what an awesome picture so true
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