Yeah, that'll make them change their minds.
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what, to squeemish to stand up and talk to safety. problems dont correct themselves.
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what, to squeemish to stand up and talk to safety. problems dont correct themselves.
Maverick
Seasoned Expediter
This one came over Qualcom a few weeks ago. I don't even consider using it. Why in the heck would I log 2 hours of essential duty time for riding up front?
This is where the 12/12 shift comes in handy. There is always an hour or so where the driver is not driving on the log. Spend your time up front when partner is not driving.
PS. Does opening the curtain and peeking through the windshield count on line four?
This is where the 12/12 shift comes in handy. There is always an hour or so where the driver is not driving on the log. Spend your time up front when partner is not driving.
PS. Does opening the curtain and peeking through the windshield count on line four?
Yes it does, but only if you are prompted by a dog whistle.
zorry
Veteran Expediter
Maverick, Your employer was right. Earlier this year the law was changed to allow 2 hrs "up front" to be logged off duty. This must occur just before or after 8 hours (or more) of continuous sleeper time.
He may have missed the memo,he may not understand the new rule,or he may not allow you to use this OPTION.
It may be legal now but against company policy.
He may have missed the memo,he may not understand the new rule,or he may not allow you to use this OPTION.
It may be legal now but against company policy.
Maverick
Seasoned Expediter
Oooops. Now we must clarify. Thanks Zorry, and if you can elaborate further?
Sigh, this is really kinda confusing.
The current company policy is 2 hours logged up front MUST BE on duty. One cannot be off duty, and on line one, while the truck is moving?
I'm not using it at all, it's a non-factor.
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its not a battle. when i said screaming, i was simply implying action. you dont scream, its not a battle, its a simple business meeting with safety to explain why the fleet would like the policy changed.
if you have to pick your battles cause its so hard to get anything done, well that says something. we just go in and talk to safety, propose our ideas. from there if its legal and in the interest of helping and keeping the fleet happy, it usually get taken care of. just that simple.
shouldnt be a battle. simply a conversation with safety to get something changed for the good of the fleet. if its that hard to get something changed, well. not that difficult at our carrier. if it is legal and will keep the fleet happy then it is usually taken care of. oh well, thats something we dont have to worry about. so if it doesnt bother you then it doesnt matter. we dont have a dog in the fight.
zorry
Veteran Expediter
There is a large difference in our fleets. You may walk into an office and talk to one man that can say "I can do that."
He is so close to the day to day operations that he can see the impact of the decision.
When you get to the larger corporate model it's a different dynamic.
Things done by commitee. More dept's involved. More people affected. More at stake.
I helped run a 34 truck family operation. We could have all policy makers in a corner booth on any given day. I was dispatch,safety,human resources,sales,and asset procurement. Policy could be changed over a pizza.
I took a management position at Pepsi in the Chicago area. A simple policy change could take months and involve hundreds of man hours and research to accomplish.
And for good reason.
Comparing a large carrier to a small carrier is not apples to apples.
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This makes me thankful to be driving a van. I don't make as much money-- in fact, in overall miles I'm probably losing money, running hot-shot freight-- but I've got a whole lot more freedom. If dispatch gives me a job on Friday, for a Monday morning pickup, I don't worry about whether or not I can go to church on Sunday, shopping Saturday or to a forest preserve either day. I just do it. The only thing is to make sure I get enough rest before actually starting my run. Sometimes that involves starting the evening before and resting on the way to the pickup-- allowing enough time for that-- and sometimes it means turning in by a reasonable hour at home and waking up with enough time to get to the pickup. I understand the need for HOS-- if you didn't have it, some companies would run drivers literally into the ground-- but I also understand that it takes a measure of freedom away. I wonder if there's a balance somewhere.