Obumma's birth certificate a fake?

[layoutshooter]

I think I heard about those.

They have a plasma shifter thingy as a drive train, don't they.

Yeah, that's it. And that Doohicky they use to navigate with.

 

[AMonger]

I don't know, but I watched a few youtube videos in which they downloaded the certificate of live birth directly from where it was posted, opened it in adobe or whatever, and showed that it was built in layers, with different elements bring added one-by-one. I know nothing about photoshop or similar, but I do know our current POTUS is a socialist and a liar, like his predecessors for the last few decades.

 

[Turtle]

That is not the topic at hand, and I would be careful, your response is of the nature of Trolling:

Not even close to trolling.

A question was presented to the members in the Soapbox. Do you think the Presidents birth certificate is fake or real?

Yes, a question was presented to the members in the Soapbox, a question presented by you, which took the topic from what was posted Patriotupdate to that of you wanting to talk about what the original poster personally believed. Your question in Post #3 was off-topic and was directed at the person, you wanted to make the topic about what this person thinks, rather than about what Patriotupdate published. If you want to start a new thread, maybe a poll, about what people think, fine. Until then, please stay on topic.

Perhaps it may help if when you respond to people in the Soapbox, that you do so without using the word "you" in your responses. If you can do that, it helps with sticking to the issues rather than turning it around onto the poster.

I believe it is real.

Okay.

 

[Turtle]

I don't know, but I watched a few youtube videos in which they downloaded the certificate of live birth directly from where it was posted, opened it in adobe or whatever, and showed that it was built in layers, with different elements bring added one-by-one. I know nothing about photoshop or similar, but I do know our current POTUS is a socialist and a liar, like his predecessors for the last few decades.

This was discussed ad naseum here (http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/47442-birth-certificate.html), particularly from Post #46 onward.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Got this one kinda wrong too, Greg. They are not holding vigils at Area 51 for the return space man just to see them. They are hoping that they come back and take Obama back where they brought him from.

I didn't know Kenya had spaceships.

 

[layoutshooter]

I didn't know Kenya had spaceships.

They don't, that is just where they landed when they brought Obama to earth.

 

[witness23]

Yes, a question was presented to the members in the Soapbox, a question presented by you,

The title of the thread was a question from Poorboy: Obumma's birth certificate a fake?

As we have talked about this subject many, many times in the past, and the "fake certificate" conspiracy has been debunked many, many times, what's the point in presenting the question to the Soapbox?

According to Patriot update news.com it shows how Obumma's people falsified his birth certificate! Watch it yourself at the above link and you decide..Could it be true? or not?

Again, asking the question again from the OP, not me. I think everyone knows what I think and what the majority think, it's not true.

which took the topic from what was posted Patriotupdate to that of you wanting to talk about what the original poster personally believed.

First of all, there wasn't a link to the patriotupdate to view the video in question. Secondly, when I pointed it out to the OP, he posted the patriotupdate e-mail address.

Here's the thing Turtle, in the past, before the President had shown his long form birth certificate, everyone in the Soapbox and EO for that matter, knew where Poorboy stood on this particular subject. He believed it was a fake, and was quite adament in letting everyone know, if you will, the Orly Taitz of EO. We didn't hear from Poorboy on the subject for awhile, especially after the President had made his original birth certificate known to the World. He didn't come out and say he was wrong about the certificate being a fake, which is not expected of course, but you would think since he hadn't commented on the subject, he may just believe the President is a U.S. citizen and able to hold the title of CIC.

Then you have the majority, me included of course, in the camp of believing the President was born here and meets the requirements laid out in the Constitution (Article 1, Section 2, Article 1, Section 3, Article 1, Section 8, Article 2, Section 1, and in the 14th Amendment and several subsequent amendments) to hold that position.

After everything that has been said and done to prove the President is a Natural Born Citizen and anyone with a half a brain would see that he is, why continue with the nonsense of trying to prove it otherwise? I for one think the OP has half a brain, so I was curious in what he believed, fake or real. Logical question if you think about it.

Your question in Post #3 was off-topic and was directed at the person, you wanted to make the topic about what this person thinks, rather than about what Patriotupdate published.

Turtle.......with all due respect, you are grasping at straws here.

What the patriotupdate published, you, yourself had already debunked for us a couple weeks ago. And you were so kind to remind another member posting in this thread of your post here:

This was discussed ad naseum here (http://www.expeditersonline.com/forum/soapbox/47442-birth-certificate.html), particularly from Post #46 onward.

Thank you for that by the way, it was very informative. So here we are again, addressing this issue that has already been discussed, as you put it, "ad naseum".

If you want to start a new thread, maybe a poll, about what people think, fine. Until then, please stay on topic.

The topic was clearly stated by the title of thread:

Obumma's birth certificate a fake?

 

[witness23]

please stay on topic.

Since you brought up the subject of staying on topic. I would have to argue that out of the 26 replies, greg and I were the only one's trying to stay on topic.

Is this staying on topic?

It won't matter in two years cause He'll be building habitat for humanity houses and we'll be cleaning up his mess.......

How 'bout this?

Well, if it were fake it would fit his style. He fakes being an intelligent president everyday. He is not good at it. He tries but it is hard for a puppet to appear human.

Maybe this?

Got this one kinda wrong too, Greg. They are not holding vigils at Area 51 for the return space man just to see them. They are hoping that they come back and take Obama back where they brought him from.

Would this be considered on topic?

Neither can happen. The place does not exist.

Or this?

The other day you said Roswell didn't happen, now Area 51 doesn't exist ?? - what are you doing to me?

Next I suppose you will tell me that men really did land on the moon LOL

Maybe this?

They did!
The Mythbusters proved it.

This one? I have know idea what this is about.......

Oh yes it does. So do many of the other "areas" out there. I have been to Area 58 in person, twice. Once when I was with the "Agency" and once in my truck, made a delivery there. (they store intelligent viruses from Pluto at 58) I carried in a fresh shipment from the Kennedy Space Center. They are infecting fruit flies with these viruses and teaching them to kill bite terrorists.

This one?

Careful, the black helecopter is listening.

Not sure what this even means.

"Black Helicopters" are so '80's, like out of date man!! They have not used those for YEARS. They use invisible, silent, craft. Powered by "Q Factor" matter. They were shown that stuff by the viruses. Yes they were.

Is this on topic of the OP?

I think I heard about those.

They have a plasma shifter thingy as a drive train, don't they.

This?

Yeah, that's it. And that Doohicky they use to navigate with.

Maybe?

I didn't know Kenya had spaceships.

This one?

They don't, that is just where they landed when they brought Obama to earth.

 

[Poorboy]

The title of the thread was a question from Poorboy: Obumma's birth certificate a fake?

As we have talked about this subject many, many times in the past, and the "fake certificate" conspiracy has been debunked many, many times, what's the point in presenting the question to the Soapbox?



Again, asking the question again from the OP, not me. I think everyone knows what I think and what the majority think, it's not true.



First of all, there wasn't a link to the patriotupdate to view the video in question. Secondly, when I pointed it out to the OP, he posted the patriotupdate e-mail address.

Here's the thing Turtle, in the past, before the President had shown his long form birth certificate, everyone in the Soapbox and EO for that matter, knew where Poorboy stood on this particular subject. He believed it was a fake, and was quite adament in letting everyone know, if you will, the Orly Taitz of EO. We didn't hear from Poorboy on the subject for awhile, especially after the President had made his original birth certificate known to the World. He didn't come out and say he was wrong about the certificate being a fake, which is not expected of course, but you would think since he hadn't commented on the subject, he may just believe the President is a U.S. citizen and able to hold the title of CIC.

Then you have the majority, me included of course, in the camp of believing the President was born here and meets the requirements laid out in the Constitution (Article 1, Section 2, Article 1, Section 3, Article 1, Section 8, Article 2, Section 1, and in the 14th Amendment and several subsequent amendments) to hold that position.

After everything that has been said and done to prove the President is a Natural Born Citizen and anyone with a half a brain would see that he is, why continue with the nonsense of trying to prove it otherwise? I for one think the OP has half a brain, so I was curious in what he believed, fake or real. Logical question if you think about it.



Turtle.......with all due respect, you are grasping at straws here.

What the patriotupdate published, you, yourself had already debunked for us a couple weeks ago. And you were so kind to remind another member posting in this thread of your post here:



Thank you for that by the way, it was very informative. So here we are again, addressing this issue that has already been discussed, as you put it, "ad naseum".



The topic was clearly stated by the title of thread:

Your trying to justify yourself on this is laughable at best
I did answer your post#-3 question in post#-4
I really don't have anymore time for your nonsense witness because that's all it is I posted what I did for INFORMATION ONLY! I simply asked a question, "True or Flase and here ya go with your usual diatribe as always being the "Big" protector of Obumma, and that's fine, you have that right as I also have the same rights to post what I want!
You have yourself a good day now

 

[witness23]

Your trying to justify yourself on this is laughable at best

No actually, I'm trying to defend myself for being accused of taking your thread off topic, in which I clearly did not. My question to you needs not be justified, it is a fair and logical question to ask.

I did answer your post#-3 question in post#-4

You mean this?

I don't know, but I wouldn't put anything past him or his minions

No, actually you didn't. I would say that you gave a non-answer. Meaning, you didn't provide a yes or no answer, but you did manage to dance around the subject and came out saying......well, nothing. Which you have every right to do so.

I really don't have anymore time for your nonsense witness because that's all it is

Wow, really, you don't have time for MY nonsense? Well if that aint calling............you know the rest. *disclaimer - For the record, I hate that phrase, but in this case it seemed appropriate.

I posted what I did for INFORMATION ONLY! I simply asked a question, "True or Flase

Well, since the same exact topic had been brought up before and debunked by our newest moderator, I simply asked the same question to you, "do you believe if it is fake or real"? You gave your non-answer and I simply asked again looking for more of a concrete answer.

and here ya go with your usual diatribe as always being the "Big" protector of Obumma

Ummmm.....it has nothing to do with protecting Obama and there is no reason to protect him, because he has proven without a shadow of a doubt that his certificate is authentic. What it does have to do with is, why do people continue not to believe it is real or continue to try and prove that his birth certificate is a fake. I mean, what is their motivation?

and that's fine, you have that right as I also have the same rights to post what I want!

Yep.

For the record, I never said you didn't have the right to post anything you want. Just don't be surprised if what you post or your motivations are questioned, that's all. And you have the right not to answer those questions as you so demonstrated earlier.

 

[witness23]

and here ya go with your usual diatribe as always

By the way, I don't think I would catergorize my responses in this thread as "diatribe".

Diatribe: A forceful and bitter verbal attack against someone or something.

 

[EnglishLady]

I don't want to stir the pot here but ... there are actually a few definitions for Diatribe


Definition of DIATRIBE
1 archaic : a prolonged discourse
2: a bitter and abusive speech or piece of writing
3: ironic or satirical criticism

from Merriam Webster

 

[layoutshooter]

I don't want to stir the pot here but ... there are actually a few definitions for Diatribe


Definition of DIATRIBE
1 archaic : a prolonged discourse
2: a bitter and abusive speech or piece of writing
3: ironic or satirical criticism

from Merriam Webster

It's OK, go ahead and stir the pot, I do all the time and it's FUN!!!

 

[Ragman]

Definition of DIATRIBE
1 archaic : a prolonged discourse
2: a bitter and abusive speech or piece of writing
3: ironic or satirical criticism

from Merriam Webster

I don't know her. Is she an expeditor?

 

[Ragman]

It's OK, go ahead and stir the pot, I do all the time and it's FUN!!!

 

[layoutshooter]

I had problems the other night with that pot too. What a pain, water everywhere. JUST WATER, thank you very much!

 

[Poorboy]

No actually, I'm trying to defend myself for being accused of taking your thread off topic, in which I clearly did not. My question to you needs not be justified, it is a fair and logical question to ask.



You mean this?



No, actually you didn't. I would say that you gave a non-answer. Meaning, you didn't provide a yes or no answer, but you did manage to dance around the subject and came out saying......well, nothing. Which you have every right to do so.



Wow, really, you don't have time for MY nonsense? Well if that aint calling............you know the rest. *disclaimer - For the record, I hate that phrase, but in this case it seemed appropriate.



Well, since the same exact topic had been brought up before and debunked by our newest moderator, I simply asked the same question to you, "do you believe if it is fake or real"? You gave your non-answer and I simply asked again looking for more of a concrete answer.



Ummmm.....it has nothing to do with protecting Obama and there is no reason to protect him, because he has proven without a shadow of a doubt that his certificate is authentic. What it does have to do with is, why do people continue not to believe it is real or continue to try and prove that his birth certificate is a fake. I mean, what is their motivation?



Yep.

For the record, I never said you didn't have the right to post anything you want. Just don't be surprised if what you post or your motivations are questioned, that's all. And you have the right not to answer those questions as you so demonstrated earlier.

Oh? Really?? Re-Read post#-4, That was my answer because Here it comes Ready for it? "I Don't know"!!
But I wouldn't put it past him or his minions to do something like that
Like I said in my previous, I Posted it for "INFORMATION" only and to ask the question true or false..You seemed to want to carry it a bit further as usual. And I don't give a fat babies butt how many times it has been posted so get used to it!

 

[witness23]

Oh? Really?? Re-Read post#-4, That was my answer because Here it comes Ready for it? "I Don't know"!!
But I wouldn't put it past him or his minions to do something like that
Like I said in my previous, I Posted it for "INFORMATION" only and to ask the question true or false..You seemed to want to carry it a bit further as usual. And I don't give a fat babies butt how many times it has been posted so get used to it!

*sigh*....again, I considered it a non-answer and was looking for a more concrete answer from you, like a yes or a no. Oh the horror. Your answer being, "I Don't know"!! But I wouldn't put it past him or his minions to do something like that" leaves one to speculate your reason for posting it and leaves one to question, why would the President and his minions want to put out a fake birth certificate?

If you really want to know the answer without anyone questioning your motives, maybe you should take Turtle's suggestion and post a poll.

 

[Ragman]

According to Patriot update news.com it shows how Obumma's people falsified his birth certificate! Watch it yourself at the above link and you decide..Could it be true? or not?

 

[EnglishLady]

Actually I consider "I don't know" as an answer .......


"Maybe", "Not sure" are also acceptable in my book .....


how can one give an honest YES/NO answer to something they do not have all evidence of, all facts of ...... etc, etc