ObamaGov Establishing Islam as Official USA State Religion?

chefdennis

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Islam is first and foremost a governmental/political system

ObamaGov Establishing Islam as Official USA State Religion?

By Sher Zieve Tuesday, August 17, 2010
ObamaGov Establishing Islam as Official USA State Religion?


In contradiction to the US Constitution’s First Amendment referencing the prohibition of the US government’s establishment of a State religion, the Obama has decided to institute Islam’s “religion” Muslimism as the US’ first state-sponsored religion.

As Islam is first and foremost a governmental/political system—with the “faithful” following its feudal tenets with Muslim worship of Allah—I suspect that the final overthrow of the US government’s Republic will be very soon. And, STILL no one is stopping the tyrant.

Why do I make these claims? Let’s take a look at what the dictator is now affecting. Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is the radical cleric who is spearheading the establishment of the 9/11 Islamic Victory Mosque (and suspected terrorist training center) at ground zero. Rauf is also the Imam sponsored by the Obama government’s State Department (paid for by the US taxpayer) to engage in a fundraising tour of Muslim countries for the Ground Zero Victory Mosque. Suffice it to say, this is illegal under the United States Constitution, as the tyrant is now effectively sponsoring Islam as the official “religion” if not governmental system of the soon-to-be-if-we-don’t-stop-him former United States of America.

No US President has sponsored a state-run religion. But, Islamist Usurper-and-Dictator-in-Chief Barack Hussein Obama has now done so. Interestingly, since the Obama seizure of the White House, Muslims are allowed to pray when and where they will, while Christians are denied prayer or even the mention of Jesus more and more. This is what Islam does. It replaces and dominates, conquers and crushes every other religion and government system. And it now has a friend and fellow Muslim in the White House. Obama celebrates the Islamic holiday of Ramadan while shunning the Christian National Day of Prayer. At The Obama’s speeches from the White House, there are now fewer and fewer times that the United States flag is present. Note: Other than itself, Islam recognizes no form of government or national sovereignty. Islamic Shari’a law is already being established on the State, if not federal, court level and new Obama SCOTUS Associate Justice Elena Kagan supports it.

Aiding and abetting the Obama & Co criminal enterprise, the mainstream press (aka the ObamaMedia) largely refuses to report on any of these treasonous (that’s High Treason) actions. And it appears that the now being-replaced-by-only-Obama & Co Congressional members don’t care that they’re been pushed aside, as long as they can continue to steal from We-the-People and enrich themselves. After OUR country has been destroyed and Americans are in the chains of slavery (either figurative or literal), We-the-People will have no more power over our own lives. And Dhimmitude (the Islamic system of subjugating, controlling and extraordinarily taxing non-Muslim populations) will have been firmly established. Historically, Islam was heavily involved with the African slave-trade and still practices it, today, in both Sudan and Mauritania. Like Marxism, Islam is a patently feudal system. The rulers (Imams in Islam) are at the top and the serfs (the people) are at the bottom. There is little-to-nothing in-between; hence Obama’s obsession with the destruction of the US middle class.

Again, either We-the-People wake up fully to what is happening to our country and way of life and end the tyranny that is already upon us, or prepare ourselves for death or imprisonment. This is the truth and reality that the leftist media still refuse to report. And until they are directly and adversely affected, they won’t. It’s our choice. Do we fight or submit? That’s all that we have remaining, folks—that choice and prayer. Oh and by the way, the shout of “Allah Akbar” does not mean “God is great.” Rather, it means “Our God is greater [than yours].” Still think they worship the same God as do Jews and Christians? Better think again.
ObamaGov Establishing Islam as Official USA State Religion?
 

Turtle

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"As Islam is first and foremost a governmental/political system..."

That is absolutely incorrect.


"Why do I make these claims?"

Because you (the author of the piece) are ignorant and a moron (as evidenced by this piece, and several others of hers that I have read).

The people who think the above is true, do not understand Islam on even its most basic level. They don't understand it because they are unable to, or refuse to. The only parts of Islam they understand are the parts that make them mad, and those are the only parts they want to understand. The problem is, they don't even understand those parts, either.
 

witness23

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The only parts of Islam they understand are the parts that make them mad, and those are the only parts they want to understand. The problem is, they don't even understand those parts, either.


Exactly, that is what those here, in the Soapbox know about Islam and this is where they get it from.

Hannity rattled off his definition of Sharia: “Where women get stoned to death for adultery, where women who are raped need four male eyewitnesses, where women are forced to wear clothing that they may not necessarily want to wear, where women can't drive, where women can't get an education." The implication was that Rauf agrees with such Draconian treatment.

I am not kidding you, I have heard him repeat the above, verbatim, probably,no exageration here, 5 times in the last 6 or 7 days.

Hannity:
One of the Rauf statements Hannity selectively quoted was, “Rather than fear Shariah law, we should understand what it actually is.” As long as he can demagogue the issue, Hannity has no intention of trying to understand.

You can read more here:
Sean Hannity knows nothing about Sharia law | Media Matters for America
 

dieseldiva

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I hate to break it to some of you but not everyone here listens to/watches Hannity. Some of us actually DO know how to use Google or other search engines to learn about the important topics of the day.

Once again, your elitist arrogance makes it's appearance. Your constant belittling of those that you perceive to be less intelligent than yourselves does not advance the debate and only serves to make YOU look small.
 

witness23

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I hate to break it to some of you but not everyone here listens to/watches Hannity. Some of us actually DO know how to use Google or other search engines to learn about the important topics of the day.

Once again, your elitist arrogance makes it's appearance. Your constant belittling of those that you perceive to be less intelligent than yourselves does not advance the debate and only serves to make YOU look small.

Alrighty then, what's your take on Islam?
 

Turtle

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The thing is, what Hannity states is more or less true, but in our western minds we think that things like stoning is applied on all applicable cases, like it would be under English law that uses established precedents for both conviction and penalty. Sharia law is about as foreign to us as you can get. With Sharia law, there is no such thing as precedent. The same exact offense can carry with it any number of a thousand difference penalties. What those penalties are is wholly (or holy) dependent on the Sharia judge and what his interpretation of the law and its punishments are. If that Sharia judge is a fundamentalist, the penalty is gonna be a whopper. If the judge is a traditionalist or a moderate (although I can't imagine a moderate Muslim ever becoming a Sharia judge, considering the amount of scholarship and study that is required) then the penalty is likely to be far more mild.
 

muttly

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Cmon Koby. Can't you use other sources other than Media Matters and John Stewart?
 

LDB

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"As Islam is first and foremost a governmental/political system..."

That is absolutely incorrect.


"Why do I make these claims?"

Because you (the author of the piece) are ignorant and a moron (as evidenced by this piece, and several others of hers that I have read).

The people who think the above is true, do not understand Islam on even its most basic level. They don't understand it because they are unable to, or refuse to. The only parts of Islam they understand are the parts that make them mad, and those are the only parts they want to understand. The problem is, they don't even understand those parts, either.

Or perhaps it's the other way around and they understand it better than others and that isn't incorrect.
 

greg334

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I'm sorry, not to disrespect any of you but (SMH) this is got to be the funniest thread I have ever read.

I can't even imagine this in my wildest dreams to have created such a bunch of BS as what the conspiracy nuts and "conservatives" have done out there on the Internet. And as I heard from my left leaning wacko professors at the U, I am agreeing with them (which is very rare) that all of it simply looks like a lot of people are becoming undone triggered by their fear and ignorance of a religion but more importantly their laziness not to do the research needed to learn.

Depending on Blog info, on so called experts and entertainers seems to be the new norm of education. Even using Google does not allow one to understand real issues that people feel but only gives you an overview of the mechanics of the issues from your point of view - you got to get out and learn by dialog ... sorry DD.

The other day I got into a heated argument with someone who I greatly respect, he believes that we will be all converting in the next few years because of what a few talk show hosts have been feeding their listeners. I told him flat out, the Mosque is not being built on the WTC property, and if we want to use freedom of religion to pick and choose, I want to rid my city of all churches that don't believe in Buddha - which includes his. I told him to his dismay, I support the presidents statements to a point, we are a country of religious freedoms, not of one of men and whims and even though it may be wrong and unethical to build the thing there, it is their right. I added that I am don't like hustler's publisher Flynt but understand that he has the same rights as I do so it matters that even if we don't agree, the law of the land must be the law of the land - not the whim of man ©.

TO use Beck's catch phrase, a perfect storm is coming because the line has been drawn in the sand (pun intended) about what the right feels is the "right" thing to do about this "invasion from Islam" (guess who said that?).

I also can not find a d*mn thing that he said that HE are going to establish Islam as a state religion - IT WON'T HAPPEN HERE.
 

greg334

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I think Turtle, there are a few who can not be convinced to be a bit more open to learn, maybe?
 

Turtle

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I think Turtle, there are a few who can not be convinced to be a bit more open to learn, maybe?
Part of the problem in this case is that religion itself discourages learning. "Don't associate with non-believers" and such. An open mind is a direct threat to established religious beliefs. The Dark Ages didn't just happen all by themselves.

In addition, studies have shown that when someone believes something that is possibly untrue, religious or otherwise, because it fits with what they already believe, that when it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be false, they believe it even more. The Birthers come to mind as a perfect example. Those who believe in the Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion is another one.

Then, there are more people than you might think that believe the photo on the left is the one that has been Photoshopped.

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greg334

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That's too funny..

Yes the religion itself is or seems closed but there are a lot of people willing to share and teach. The amazing thing seems to be all religions seem to have some sort of quiet or silence about them, shh... we can't talk about that until you become one of us.

The interesting thing or at least I found interesting is a lot of the information, expert and blog style both seem to be missing the mark. There is no real explanation and no real putting the puzzle together to see what a lot of these things really means. A lot can go to this or that site, pull info out of it but putting into perspective from the practitioners point of view to understand what it means is about the same thing as Truman trying to understand the word mokusatsu.
 

Turtle

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I've spent the better part of my life studying various religions, Christianity, Judaism and Islam being the ones I've spent the most time on. I think a course in comparative religions should be a required course in school, because it is the study of human societal history and of human nature. Those who are especially devout to a particular religion won't like that idea at all, because it opens the minds of impressionable children to new and different ideas, something that religion is scared to death of.

Someone said it, we all know or should know who, that the only thing we have to fear is fear itself. The fear of the unknown, the fear of something you don't understand, is the biggest fear we have. Why do you think religion was invented in the first place? It certainly wasn't to save our eternal souls. It was to explain the things we do not understand, everything from volcanos to earthquakes to comets to what happens when we die, which then gives us peace of mind.

This isn't to say there is no God. I'm not arrogant enough to say there is no God, anymore than I'm arrogant enough to say there is. God isn't the problem, religion is. It's a set of beliefs and rules used mainly to control the masses, and those who do not believe or think the same way you do, are either flat out wrong or are pure evil. Scare tactics are used to convince others to think the same way, if you don't believe the same as me then you will burn in Hеll for longer than forever. Some take it even further for more immediate results, where if you don't think like I want you to, or if you don't do things like I say, then I'll kill you. Christians are thinking, "Ah, hah! Muslims." And they'd be right. But they are forgetting that Christians do the same thing, just on a difference scale and with different methods.

Muslims consider Muhammad not to be a god or the inventor of a new religion, but rather the restorer of the original, uncorrupted monotheistic faith of Adam, Abraham, Moses, Jesus and others. Muhammad was a merchant and trader, but at the age of 40 he began receiving revelations from God. Actually had long conversations with God. The contents of these revelations and conversations were memorized and recorded by his Sahaba (kind of like the Apostles). Thus, Muslims believe the Qur'an is the verbatim word of God, or Allah. Many Christians believe the same about the Bible. Clearly, they both can't be right, since the text is wildly different.

In short order, Muhammad became not only a spiritual and religious leader, but a political and military leader, as well. He spent 12 years preaching to the people of Mecca, converting as many as he could, but the established Meccan authorities finally kicked him out, and he and his followers packed up and moved to Medina, where he continued his conversions. Very quickly, he exiled, enslaved or killed the Jewish clans of Medina, and his religious, political and military authority became well established. Within a couple of years he and his Muslim army had fought many battles, two big ones against Meccan forces, one of which he won and the other was a draw. But he set out to conquer all of the land and peoples surrounding Mecca, and succeeded, and he then simply cut Mecca off from anything in or out, zero trade, and it didn't take long for him to conquer Mecca with little or no blood spilled. By the time he died, Muhammad controlled the entire Arabian Peninsula.

These are the modest beginnings of Islam, and his successors followed in his military, political and religious footsteps to the point where they controlled an awful lot of land and people. Christians point to this as the reason to hate all Muslims. Yet Christians have had their fair share of the same stuff, and have been at it 600 years longer than Muslims.

Even though the similarities between Islam and Christianity are striking, they are incompatible religions. It is because of the similarities that cause Christians and Muslims to not play well and get along with each other. They never have. That's the perspective, that's what it all means. And until people realize the true meaning of religion, that of being controlled and wanting to control others, these two religions will continue to fight each on various scales, forever.

So, the people who are afraid we'll all be converted to Islam within 6 months, fear not. They've been trying to convert or kill non-Muslims since Muhammad, and non-Muslims, especially Christians, have been trying to do the same to Muslims, and many others. I don't see them winning any time soon.
 
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