Obama supports mosque... SURPRISE

LDB

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Islam's standing as a religion is tenuous at best. It is a legal/political system masquerading as a religion. The majority of Muslims are either ignorant of or choose to ignore the evil inherent in it and focus on the "religious" tangent. The radicals, those who engineered 9/11 and continue to wish for and work for the death of ALL infidels, are the political members who use the ignorant masses and "religion" to achieve their legal/political goals.
 

Shah786

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I've changed my mind. In light of the following article/announcement, let the muslims build the mosque or community center or whatever since they claim they're attempting to reach out in the spirit of peace and harmony to the entire population of lower Manhatten.

Oh so as a chirstian you are ok with homosexuality?


My other question to people here is what about Iraq if U are so angry about one Terrorist act why are you ok with death of 100s of 1000s who are still suffering in Iraq or thats different cause those people are not Americans and Americans have the right to kill or destroy a nation as they please?but house of saud who finance and exports whabisum all over the world is protected By American soldiers.




And i love the signature of the Mod that started this thread i guess we do not practice what we preach eh?
 

Turtle

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As a Kentuckian, I feel I must, I must. Jefferson Davis already has quite an impressive monument, at the place of his birth, Fairview, Kentucky, 3 miles east of Hopkinsville and sits along side of Hwy 68. The Jefferson Davis Monument State Historic Site is a Kentucky State Park. The park is a small one, covering only 19 acres, and includes open and covered picnic areas, as well as a playground.

At the visitors’ center museum, visitors can watch a video describing Davis’s life and the construction of the monument. Guided elevator tours of the monument are available daily. The center sells books and memorabilia about Davis, the American Civil War, the surrounding area, as well as Kentucky handcrafts. The park is open from May 1 until October 31. Adult admission to the park is $4.

The the focal point of the park being the 351-foot tall concrete obelisk. The monument is the tallest unreinforced concrete structure in the world, and is and tallest concrete obelisk in the world, with only two other obelisks in the world being taller, the San Jacinto Monument and the Washington Monument, both being constructed of blocks of stone.

So if you find yourself in Hopkinsville with nothing to do one day, a few minute's drive to see the monument is well worth the time.

This message brought to you by the Kentucky Visitors Bureau, the Kentucky Department of Travel.


 
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Shah786

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Islam's standing as a religion is tenuous at best. It is a legal/political system masquerading as a religion. The majority of Muslims are either ignorant of or choose to ignore the evil inherent in it and focus on the "religious" tangent. The radicals, those who engineered 9/11 and continue to wish for and work for the death of ALL infidels, are the political members who use the ignorant masses and "religion" to achieve their legal/political goals.

Majority of Americans are either ignorant or chose to ignore the deaths and destruction cause by American military in Iraq and other Muslim Nations or thats not what we are discussing here or better yet lets have the Muslim countries build Military bases in American lands and let them install their puppets as Rulers. As we in west decide when to change the ruler and when to let him kill millions at will or we should not be talking the other side of the story cause it's to ugly and shows whats bothering others.
 

Pilgrim

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It is not the place of one community or another to tell a religion that they can't build something on their property - period.

We are not talking about a race track, or a walmart - we are talking about a constitutionally protected right to worship, like it or not.

I want to remind you that during several periods of our history, we were very anti-semtic and anti-black. We didn't stop synagogues from being built because the community didn't want them or prevent black churches from being built. Did we?
You're comparing apples and oranges. Those religions didn't cloak a political movement dedicated to our subjugation. The Jews and Blacks weren't commiting terrorist attacks against us were they?
The people of NYC also think they are special because the event happened there. A lot of them claim it was a NYC event ONLY, not a national tragedy, they want to control the victimization that has to do with it.
Some seemingly want to have it both ways - but considering this attack was an act of war, it was indeed a national event. That being the case, the public opposition against the building of the mosque is even greater.

The Rev. Phelps and his inbred nitwits that make up the Westboro Baptist Church have the legal right to protest at the funerals of our fallen soldiers. Maybe you would like to have them across the street from your son's gravesite waving signs saying "God Hates :censoredsign:s" and "Good Riddance"?? Evidently they have the legal right to do this due to our constitutional rights of free speech and religious practices. However, I think that all of us would agree that they should practice their free speech and religion out of sight and hearing distance from the mourners because their exercise of their legal rights is INAPPROPRIATE in those particular circumstances.
First that is not a reason, it's an excuse. We need to step back and rethink that... we are at war with individuals who feel we are attacking them and their way of life. We are viewed the same exact way the Vietnamese viewed the French before WW2 - that we are out to destroy or control them. These enemies have used the propaganda that we are not a free society, we control religion and we hate Muslims and this is proving it.
Perhaps the jihadists are using that faulty perception in their propoganda - that we are attacking their way of life - but that's hardly the case. It's just that our culture and our way of life is contradictory to THEIR way of life as dictated by their religion. These radicals are following their fundamentalist interpretation of their religious mandates that non-muslims be conquered. If anything, they are attacking OUR way of life. We are far more tolerant and accomodating to them and their religion then they are of us and ours. Try visiting Mecca sometime. Check to see how many churches or synagogues have been built lately in close proximity to their sacred sites.
 

Pilgrim

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Oh so as a chirstian you are ok with homosexuality?
Yep - they have the same rights as everyone else. Of course there are other Christians that look at homosexuality as an abomination, but that doesn't mean they believe homosexuals should be killed. But that's another subject for a different thread.
My other question to people here is what about Iraq if U are so angry about one Terrorist act why are you ok with death of 100s of 1000s who are still suffering in Iraq or thats different cause those people are not Americans and Americans have the right to kill or destroy a nation as they please?but house of saud who finance and exports whabisum all over the world is protected By American soldiers.
"Death of 100s of 1000s who are still suffering?? At any rate, what you're saying is that under Saddam Hussein everything in Iraq was better than it is now?
 

greg334

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No, it isn't unless one misinterprets the Constitution OR the government dictates that it is the new officially accepted religion. The existence alone isn't an endorsement or a violation of the Constitution.

Actually you may not know what I am talking about and actually if it is built, it is an endorsement of a religion by the standards set forth and going against a number sc rulings and our constitution.

We as a nation are building a monument to a man who was a religious leader first and foremost, who ran churches and who preached the word of God. It is a direct symbol that we don't give a crap about our laws or ethics, as long as it appeases a group it is alright - Look there Layout Group Guilt!

Islam's standing as a religion is tenuous at best. It is a legal/political system masquerading as a religion. The majority of Muslims are either ignorant of or choose to ignore the evil inherent in it and focus on the "religious" tangent. The radicals, those who engineered 9/11 and continue to wish for and work for the death of ALL infidels, are the political members who use the ignorant masses and "religion" to achieve their legal/political goals.

Leo, what makes you an expert?

How often do you actually mingle with Muslims?

I find some of your statement obtuse in what you are portraying Muslims as.

So let's put it another way.

The majority of poor are either ignorant of or choose to ignore the evil inherent in our social system and focus on the getting what they can without putting anything into the system or attempting to do so. The radicals, those who engineered a power grab and continue to wish for and work for the downfall of ALL who work hard, are the political members who use the ignorant masses and "greed" of the masses to achieve their legal/political goals.

You're comparing apples and oranges. Those religions didn't cloak a political movement dedicated to our subjugation. The Jews and Blacks weren't commiting terrorist attacks against us were they?

AH, right.

First, I don't see any religion cloaking a political movement dedicated to our subjugation. I see small groups of people who are well educated, controlling other small groups of people using a religion but hasn't this happened in the past with other religions.

I do remember something about the Black movement committing terrorist acts, Black Panthers were one such group but I also remember reading about Wall Street being bombed, a take over of a museum and a few other incidents in NYC that were caused by a small group of people

Some seemingly want to have it both ways - but considering this attack was an act of war, it was indeed a national event. That being the case, the public opposition against the building of the mosque is even greater.

But the public can oppose what they want, it doesn't matter. What seems to matter is if we are a country of religious freedoms or not - period.

When we step out of the rule of law and become the rule of the people, we open ourselves up to the whims of others who will in every way control us and make us slaves. IF we want to prevent that, everyone is equal, everyone has the same rights as everyone else with no exception and especially no interference by the public's opinion.

Once we become that type democracy, we are a true lost nation, no better than those who are our enemies, like NK and Iran.

The Rev. Phelps and his inbred nitwits that make up the Westboro Baptist Church have the legal right to protest at the funerals of our fallen soldiers. Maybe you would like to have them across the street from your son's gravesite waving signs saying "God Hates :censoredsign:s" and "Good Riddance"?? Evidently they have the legal right to do this due to our constitutional rights of free speech and religious practices. However, I think that all of us would agree that they should practice their free speech and religion out of sight and hearing distance from the mourners because their exercise of their legal rights is INAPPROPRIATE in those particular circumstances.

I see your point and do agree but that is not what is happening here. They are not building a church across the street from Arlington, they are protesting. Should we burn their church and kill their followers because we don't agree with them?

Perhaps the jihadists are using that faulty perception in their propoganda - that we are attacking their way of life - but that's hardly the case. It's just that our culture and our way of life is contradictory to THEIR way of life as dictated by their religion. These radicals are following their fundamentalist interpretation of their religious mandates that non-muslims be conquered. If anything, they are attacking OUR way of life. We are far more tolerant and accomodating to them and their religion then they are of us and ours. Try visiting Mecca sometime. Check to see how many churches or synagogues have been built lately in close proximity to their sacred sites.

I do agree that the fundamentalist is the issue here, not the mainstream follower. BUT this is the case within all religions, our culture is not theirs, even those who are within our border feel this way. We have our own home grown fundamentalist who view Jews as enemies, Catholics as enemies and can't tell the difference between a Buddhist and a Hindu.

Accommodation is not the same as servitude.

Accommodation where?

In other countries?

Why should we worry about what happens there when we have issues here. People are ignorant to the fact that for hundreds of years, Jews, Christians and Muslims all lived together and still do. NOW we have outside forces dictating to many countries and it causes the problems - ever hear of the UN?

Attacking our way of life?

5 Million Muslims are attacking our way of life?

We seem to be too big to have that happen. If anything, it is ourselves attacking ourselves to appease the few ... but then again ... we are doing that outside the subject of religion.

Mecca has little to do with it, Saudi Arabia is not governed by our constitution, they don't fall under our form of government, we do. I looked all over my map of Stato della Citta del Vatican and can't see anywhere a Synagogue or Mosque or even an Baptist Church. Should we demand the Pope put in a Lutheran Church?
 

aristotle

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As a Kentuckian, I feel I must, I must. Jefferson Davis already has quite an impressive monument, at the place of his birth, Fairview, Kentucky, 3 miles west of Hopkinsville and sits along side of Hwy 68. The Jefferson Davis Monument State Historic Site is a Kentucky State Park. The park is a small one, covering only 19 acres, and includes open and covered picnic areas, as well as a playground.

At the visitors’ center museum, visitors can watch a video describing Davis’s life and the construction of the monument. Guided elevator tours of the monument are available daily. The center sells books and memorabilia about Davis, the American Civil War, the surrounding area, as well as Kentucky handcrafts. The park is open from May 1 until October 31. Adult admission to the park is $4.

The the focal point of the park being the 351-foot tall concrete obelisk. The monument is the tallest unreinforced concrete structure in the world, and is and tallest concrete obelisk in the world, with only two other obelisks in the world being taller, the San Jacinto Monument and the Washington Monument, both being constructed of blocks of stone.

So if you find yourself in Hopkinsville with nothing to do one day, a few minute's drive to see the monument is well worth the time.

This message brought to you by the Kentucky Visitors Bureau, the Kentucky Department of Travel.



I have driven by this Jefferson Davis monument several times. It is a rather imposing structure.
 

Pilgrim

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First, I don't see any religion cloaking a political movement dedicated to our subjugation.
I see small groups of people who are well educated, controlling other small groups of people using a religion but hasn't this happened in the past with other religions.
Really? No political element involved in the muslim religion, considering they view their government as being controlled by it? The number of radical muslims involved in this worldwide jihad isn't a small group. Maybe a small percentage of muslims as a whole, but they're not a small group by any means.
I do remember something about the Black movement committing terrorist acts, Black Panthers were one such group but I also remember reading about Wall Street being bombed, a take over of a museum and a few other incidents in NYC that were caused by a small group of people
Were the Black Panthers a radical religious group?
I see your point and do agree but that is not what is happening here. They are not building a church across the street from Arlington, they are protesting. Should we burn their church and kill their followers because we don't agree with them?
They're exercising their constitutional rights in an inappropriate place. Who said anything about burning churches and killing followers?
Accommodation where?
Haven't we been discussing the constitutional rights to freedom of religion in this country? There are plenty of places that have gone above and beyond the basics to accomodate muslims and their religious practices - from the taxpayer funded madrases teaching wahabbism in CA to the foot baths in MI, there are places in the US that have gone to extremes in demonstrating good will towards the muslim population.
Attacking our way of life?
5 Million Muslims are attacking our way of life?
You're saying the 911 attack and the subsequent attempted attacks by these jihadists weren't aimed at our way of life? Other than the physical destruction involved, look at the effects this terrorist activity literally has on OUR WAY OF LIFE: some of the more obvious examples involve the hermetically sealed safety caps on food and medicine; being practically strip searched before getting on a plane; concrete barriers at courthouses, and metal detectors when you get inside. The list of influences on our daily lives goes on ad nauseum. You can't seriously think these muslim terrorists aren't consciously attacking our way of life. Certainly nobody mentioned the 5 million number, but the radicals have been estimated to approach 1 million worldwide, depending on the estimate. That's a lot of jihadists if you ask me.
Mecca has little to do with it, Saudi Arabia is not governed by our constitution, they don't fall under our form of government, we do. I looked all over my map of Stato della Citta del Vatican and can't see anywhere a Synagogue or Mosque or even an Baptist Church. Should we demand the Pope put in a Lutheran Church?
Mecca has everything to do with it - this city is a muslim holy site that happens to be in Saudi Arabia. Non muslims aren't allowed inside.
The Vatican is a soverign nation; I suppose we could demand religious diversity and tolerance on their part, but their constitution is probably not very similar to ours. Wouldn't be the first time the US has tried to impose their human rights standards on another country.
 
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aristotle

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I'm coming out of the closet! I stand for homogeneity 100% so long as I pick the favored groups. Too much diversity ruins the soup. The mindless promotion of multiculturalism at all costs and the slavish devotion to diversity eventually leaves a nation without unity of purpose. We are not the world and need not reflect it.
 

Turtle

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I have driven by this Jefferson Davis monument several times. It is a rather imposing structure.
Especially since it's out in the middle of rural nowhere.

I'm coming out of the closet! I stand for homogeneity 100% so long as I pick the favored groups. Too much diversity ruins the soup. The mindless promotion of multiculturalism at all costs and the slavish devotion to diversity eventually leaves a nation without unity of purpose. We are not the world and need not reflect it.
I'm right there with ya, except for the picking and choosing of the favored groups. That's something that has to happen naturally (organically, for those who are, well, you know who you are). Otherwise, when something like that is forced, you have the same problems we now have as a result of non-natural, forced integration.

Then again, I'm all for a One World Government, just as long that that one government is ours. :D
 
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