Obama lied?

[OntarioVanMan]

Heaven forbid he would get to spend money he worked for on what ever he wanted.

and cut back on that social life he has and make the sacrifices to support his family too.....must work more....

and this is right from the LOS book of "how someone should be responsible and make appropriate choices" ....

 

[davekc]

People people people...sure put more of your own money in the health insurance industry loves that. The problem still isnt solved. Think about how do health insurance make money? Deny services or only insure healthy people.....the problem isn't obamacare but dont think its the solution either. In fact don't think really Obama thinks its the entire solution.
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With Obamacare, the new regulations only allow insurance companies to make a mandated 20 percent profit. Doesn't look like they will be cleaning house, in fact some like Aetna are pulling out.
At the end of the day, the grand master plan is to have a government single payer system.

 

[LDB]

At the end of the day, the grand master plan is to have a government single payer system.

Yes, that's the government plan for everything, control.

 

[Turtle]

Single payer, and for good reason. There's big money in there.
U.S. government scales back Obamacare impact for 2014 | Reuters

Because of Obamacare, healthcare spending is expected to rise 6.1 percent in 2014 (compared with a previous projection for 2014) of an increase of 7.4 percent. So, what's 6.1 percent, you may ask?

The projected spending increase would nudge the sprawling U.S. healthcare system to just over $3 trillion in total spending for 2014, representing a cost of $9,697 for every man, woman and child, or 18.3 percent of the U.S. economy. New insurance beneficiaries are expected to be "younger and healthier" and spend more of their healthcare dollars on prescription drugs and physician services rather than hospitals, the report said.

Over the longer term, the report said healthcare spending growth would accelerate to 6.5 percent by 2022, when the industry would hit the $5 trillion mark and represent 19.9 percent of gross domestic product.

"...and spend more of their healthcare dollars on prescription drugs and physician services... "

Oh, they've got this all figured out. The FDA is funded almost entirely by fees imposed upon pharmaceutical companies. The FDA, not the FTC, is the governmental body that regulates <cough> Direct-To-Consumer (DTC) advertising of drugs. The first DTC advertisement was placed in Reader's Digest in 1981, the first TV ad in 1983, and in 1985 the FDA officially blessed DTC advertising with a ruling that made it legal, but only if they read off all of the warnings and side effects (which in effect made television advertising impossible because of the time it took to read all that crap). In 1997 the FDA released new draft guidance that effectively enabled the use of broadcast ads for DTC by removing the requirement to announce all of the side effects and warnings, provided the drug being advertised met certain standards for safety (which in and of itself is a joke, since no new drugs - the ones which are the most heavily advertised - have no historical safety data at all).

The result of the 1997 ruling is that DTC advertising increased from $220 million in 1997 to over $2.8 billion in 2002. That's just five years. The prescription rate of DTC drugs has increased by 34.2%, compared to only a 5.1% increase in non-DTC prescription drugs.

In 2012, DTC advertising was $3.97 billion, actually down $2 billion from the 2006 peak of $5.95 billion.

David Couper went to his doctor after watching a small green creature jump up and down on the nail of an infected toe.

For Anne Nissan, a 17-year-old in Prescott, Ariz., the image that stayed with her was of a party. Women were on a roof in a city, pimple-free and laughing, utterly unbothered by the cramps that immobilized her once a month.

And then there is Samantha Saveri, a transportation planner in Baltimore. She remembers bunnies and the promise of digestive regularity.

Three different people in three different places were all driven to contact their doctors after watching an ad for a prescription medication on television. Each walked into a doctor's office with a specific request, and walked out with a prescription for exactly the medication he or she desired.

Selling Sickness: How Drug Ads Changed Health Care

Incidentally, in all of the entire world, only two nations allow DTC advertising for drugs: The United States (world's largest manufacturer of prescription name-brand drugs) and New Zealand (world's largest manufacturer of prescription generic drugs).

 

[layoutshooter]

and cut back on that social life he has and make the sacrifices to support his family too.....must work more....

and this is right from the LOS book of "how someone should be responsible and make appropriate choices" ....

Kind of a smart butt answer., not that I would expect much different. I HAVE insurance. Insurance that we were told by the Marxist in Chief that we would be allowed to keep. He lied of course, any one with a brain KNEW he was lying.

What I find even MORE amazing is how some in here seem to revel in the idea. People do the right thing and get screwed for it and you think it is funny! How sick is that?

I HAVE made the right choices, I HAVE cut back, I HAVE taken care of my family.

Talked to BCBS today. It is going away due to Obama Care, our rates will sky rocket and our coverage will decrease. How funny is that?

AND taxes are going up.

 

[zorry]

For anybody shopping, many states will have subsidies to help insurance more affordable.
Of course, those of us working pay for those subsidies.

 

[layoutshooter]

For anybody shopping, many states will have subsidies to help insurance more affordable.
Of course, those of us working pay for those subsidies.

Subsidy = welfare. MORE Marxist swill.

I think that IF I have to make cuts to cover health insurance the FIRST cuts should be to what I pay in federal income tax. That would only be fair, and we ALL want fair.

 

[Ragman]

How funny is that?

MORE Marxist swill.

Relax, don't have a stroke! It's almost hunker time.

 

[layoutshooter]

Relax, don't have a stroke! It's almost hunker time.

Won't be having any more hunkers now, can't afford them.


I don't have strokes, I cause others to have 'em!

I already told Debbie "Stabthemnow" and Carl "Marx" Levin, about losing my insurance and my intent to make cuts in my tax payments to cover the increases! I can't wait to see how they answer THAT email! Sorry socialist cull dogs that they are. Other than that they suck.

 

[Ragman]

Won't be having any more hunkers now, can't afford them.

I'll have a telethon fundraiser with proceeds going to the EO hunker foundation so any expediter can hunker as needed.

 

[layoutshooter]

I'll have a telethon fundraiser with proceeds going to the EO hunker foundation so any expediter can hunker as needed.

I am done with hunkers. I am in my "fighting mode" now. They done ticked me off. They messed with my ability to care for my wife, BAD MOVE! VERY bad move!

 

[Ragman]

I am done with hunkers. I am in my "fighting mode" now. They done ticked me off. They messed with my ability to care for my wife, BAD MOVE! VERY bad move!

Uh oh.........

 

[layoutshooter]

Uh oh.........

It can only get worse.

I emailed my useless Senators, and my congressman tonight on this subject. I was polite to the congressman. I am waiting to cool down just a tad before I email the Marxist in Chief.

The fun is over. Now it's real.

 

[zorry]

Now it's real ?

 

[layoutshooter]

Now it's real ?

Now it's right.

 

[cheri1122]

Single payer, and for good reason. There's big money in there.
U.S. government scales back Obamacare impact for 2014 | Reuters

Because of Obamacare, healthcare spending is expected to rise 6.1 percent in 2014 (compared with a previous projection for 2014) of an increase of 7.4 percent. So, what's 6.1 percent, you may ask?




"...and spend more of their healthcare dollars on prescription drugs and physician services... "

Oh, they've got this all figured out. The FDA is funded almost entirely by fees imposed upon pharmaceutical companies. The FDA, not the FTC, is the governmental body that regulates <cough> Direct-To-Consumer (DTC) advertising of drugs. The first DTC advertisement was placed in Reader's Digest in 1981, the first TV ad in 1983, and in 1985 the FDA officially blessed DTC advertising with a ruling that made it legal, but only if they read off all of the warnings and side effects (which in effect made television advertising impossible because of the time it took to read all that crap). In 1997 the FDA released new draft guidance that effectively enabled the use of broadcast ads for DTC by removing the requirement to announce all of the side effects and warnings, provided the drug being advertised met certain standards for safety (which in and of itself is a joke, since no new drugs - the ones which are the most heavily advertised - have no historical safety data at all).

The result of the 1997 ruling is that DTC advertising increased from $220 million in 1997 to over $2.8 billion in 2002. That's just five years. The prescription rate of DTC drugs has increased by 34.2%, compared to only a 5.1% increase in non-DTC prescription drugs.

In 2012, DTC advertising was $3.97 billion, actually down $2 billion from the 2006 peak of $5.95 billion.


Selling Sickness: How Drug Ads Changed Health Care

Incidentally, in all of the entire world, only two nations allow DTC advertising for drugs: The United States (world's largest manufacturer of prescription name-brand drugs) and New Zealand (world's largest manufacturer of prescription generic drugs).

If people can advise their doctor as to what medication they believe is appropriate [after watching a commercial or 15] and walk out with a prescription for it, then why do we need the doctors?
Seriously: it's doctors who have some answering to do for the prescribing of medication. [That goes double for antibiotics]
I don't know what to think about Obamacare - except that it's going to cost a lot more, because everyone from doctors to insurance companies will make **** sure it does, because they can.

 

[letzrockexpress]

They messed with my ability to care for my wife, BAD MOVE! VERY bad move!

This a little over the top. Last I knew you were driving as a team with your wife. That would make it at least a 50/50 obligation...

 

[EASYTRADER]

You dont need to carry insurance anymore. Pre existing conditions can no longer cause coverage refusals, so just wait till you really get sick then join an hmo.


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[EASYTRADER]

You might look into "medi-share" its basically a high deductable plan but its wrapped in religious mumbo jumbo so it is obama care exempt.

 

[layoutshooter]

This a little over the top. Last I knew you were driving as a team with your wife. That would make it at least a 50/50 obligation...

No, it is not over the top. It is the Man's responsibility to insure that his wife and families needs are met.

I know, that is old fashioned thinking, good, I am proud of it. We have maintained a good, 40 year marriage based on old fashioned thinking. I have NO intention of changing what works. NO ONE has the right to force us to change that or to ridicule it. We have succeeded where more and more are failing.

The problems we are faced with health care are not "market" induced, they are government mandated. The government decided that we are not able to control our own health care choices. The government decided that our plan gave us far too much control.

Health care is now enforced by an armed agency of the United States government. An agency that far exceeds the powers granted to the government under the Constitution. An agency that is being, and has been, used in the past, by less than honest presidents for less than honest reasons. NOW, that same agency has TOTAL power over the People. It is more heavily armed than it has ever been. I wonder why?