Obama is "Unpatriotic"

[Pilgrim]

gas was under 1.50 for what 50 years . but in 1 year it jumped 1.50 why in 1 year did it jump so much when it took 50 to get there .

Remember the Clean Air Act? The one that did away with leaded gasoline? The additives that replaced lead were way more expensive to add to the refining process. At roughly the same time we also had the Arab/Opec oil embargo that reduced supplies and led to rationing in the mid 70s. Also, let's not forget the taxes - federal, state & local - that have been added to the price of gas over the years.

the energy companies are one of the problems why we are haveing the problems we are today . why we are over in iraq now is for the oil and only the oil.

Partly true - the energy companies have been caught up in govt regulations so badly that there hasn't been a new refinery built in this country since the 1970s. These same regulations and the environmental wackos continue to prevent these companies from drilling the oil in thousands of offshore sources, plus the vast supplies we have in ANWR. Regarding Iraq, it's too bad we didn't go over there for their oil. The best thing for both parties would have been for us to tell the Iraqis "we're taking over your oil fields and you'll be selling us your oil at the prevailing market price". It would have been a win-win situation but sadly, that's not even remotely the case.

because he is bought and paid for by the oil companies

Not hardly - ever heard of Cap & Trade legislation? If anything, he's bought and paid for by the environmentalists plus being highly anti-private industry. The Obama administration has become a nightmare for the Oil & Gas industry.

so if somebody does work for you and does a crappy job you will hire them again . how many oil spills has EXXON had . because the were to lazy and cheap .

How many significant oil spills HAS Exxon had, say in the past forty years - any idea? I found two doing a quick web search. Considering the size and scope of their operations, that's a pretty good record.

do you know what right to work means ??

It means that in states which have Right to Work laws in effect a person can't be forced to join or financially support a union. Granted, at one time unions served a meaningful purpose - the UMW comes to mind as a good example. In this day and age the only effect most unions have is to make American industry non-competitive - the UAW comes to mind as a good example.

...they need to start listening to the WE THE PEOPLE not we the big businesses .

You got that right...exactly!

 

[clcooper]

Remember the Clean Air Act? The one that did away with leaded gasoline? The additives that replaced lead were way more expensive to add to the refining process. At roughly the same time we also had the Arab/Opec oil embargo that reduced supplies and led to rationing in the mid 70s. Also, let's not forget the taxes - federal, state & local - that have been added to the price of gas over the years.!

the price of gas didnt jump up 1.50 in the 70s, 80s, or 90s, . it jumped 1.50 in 2006 .2007 time frame
it may have gone over 1.50 in the early years but it went back down . not untill 2006 ,2007 did it jump from 1.50 to 3.00 . and has not been under 3.00 since .
so what is the excuss for the 1.50 riase and to stay there .

Partly true - the energy companies have been caught up in govt regulations so badly that there hasn't been a new refinery built in this country since the 1970s. These same regulations and the environmental wackos continue to prevent these companies from drilling the oil in thousands of offshore sources, plus the vast supplies we have in ANWR. !

why do they need to build more refineries ?? is there a shortage of gasoline . i havent heard of any gas stations running out of gas. yet because the refineries cant keep up .

so after the gulf spill you are ok with their incompetance .they should be able to drill more . .they just had a soill here in Pa . because of incompetance .

Regarding Iraq, it's too bad we didn't go over there for their oil. The best thing for both parties would have been for us to tell the Iraqis "we're taking over your oil fields and you'll be selling us your oil at the prevailing market price". It would have been a win-win situation but sadly, that's not even remotely the case.!

and why do you think oil man bush sent the millitary over there . to find the wepons of mass destruction that the ufos droped off . and they still havent found them YET . after 10 years .the oil riggs were the first thing that was saved . there was more US troops at the oil riggs then in Baghdad.

Not hardly - ever heard of Cap & Trade legislation? If anything, he's bought and paid for by the environmentalists plus being highly anti-private industry. The Obama administration has become a nightmare for the Oil & Gas industry.!

he is still bought and paid for . he is a puppet like rest

How many significant oil spills HAS Exxon had, say in the past forty years - any idea? I found two doing a quick web search. Considering the size and scope of their operations, that's a pretty good record.!

2 to many for being careless .

It means that in states which have Right to Work laws in effect a person can't be forced to join or financially support a union. Granted, at one time unions served a meaningful purpose - the UMW comes to mind as a good example. In this day and age the only effect most unions have is to make American industry non-competitive - the UAW comes to mind as a good example.!

you better research right to work alittle more .

i do agree about the unions of today . how did they get that way ??. research Jimmy Hoffa some .see who he was pals with and how they did business .

You got that right...exactly!

in the 30s, 40s, it was said that the Mafia was bigger then US steel . now look the US government is bigger then all companies in the USA

 

[Pilgrim]

the price of gas didnt jump up 1.50 in the 70s, 80s, or 90s, . it jumped 1.50 in 2006 .2007 time frame
it may have gone over 1.50 in the early years but it went back down . not untill 2006 ,2007 did it jump from 1.50 to 3.00 . and has not been under 3.00 since .
so what is the excuss for the 1.50 riase and to stay there.

See the following link for the spreadsheets they provide: they vary depending upon regions of the country and formulations.
U.S. Retail Gasoline Historical Prices

why do they need to build more refineries ?? is there a shortage of gasoline . i havent heard of any gas stations running out of gas. yet because the refineries cant keep up .

Same reason we build new auto assembly plants - more efficient productivity with more modern equipments and refining methods. We really need more smaller refineries spread throughout the country.

so after the gulf spill you are ok with their incompetance .they should be able to drill more . .they just had a soill here in Pa . because of incompetance.

It's not incompetence - how many spills of that magnitude have we seen in our lifetimes? Are we going to shut down the airlines whenever a plane crashes due to pilot error?

and why do you think oil man bush sent the millitary over there . to find the wepons of mass destruction that the ufos droped off . and they still havent found them YET . after 10 years .the oil riggs were the first thing that was saved . there was more US troops at the oil riggs then in Baghdad.

I'll say again - I wish we had gone to Iraq for their oil. How much oil have we taken from them since we've been there?

you better research right to work a little more .

Don't need to - it's pretty cut and dried:
Right to Work Law & Legal Definition

 

[clcooper]

See the following link for the spreadsheets they provide: they vary depending upon regions of the country and formulations.
U.S. Retail Gasoline Historical Prices]

all that i post is taken from
All Grades, Areas and Formulations
Everything

may 07 2005 was the last time gas was under 2 dollars .
sept. 05 2005 it was 3 dollars
11/28/2005 went down to 2.12
8/7/2006 it was at 3 .00
1/22/2007 down to 2.10
5/7/2007 to 3.00
8/13/2007 down to 2.75
11/5/2007 up to 3.00
7/14/2008 the highest at 4.05
10/20/2008 down to 2.85 was 3.00 or more since 11/5/2007
12/29/2008 was 1.59 which i must of been sleeping because i dont remember it droping that low since 2005 .
3/30/2009 then back up to 2,03
12/27/2010 back up to 3.00 and hasnt been under 3.00 since
from 10/20/2008 to 12/27/2010 i think who came up with those prices was doing hard drugs really hard. or i was because i dont remember the gas price ever getting that low

not sure how to type it out . but think about it more . from 8/20/1990 to 3/7/2005 never went over 2.00 that is 15 years of time . but in 5 years it hasnt went under 3.00 .
so i ask why???

Same reason we build new auto assembly plants - more efficient productivity with more modern equipments and refining methods. We really need more smaller refineries spread throughout the country.]

i do agree . update to make better and to be safer . but they are not doing that only more profitable .
and i agree with haveing smaller refineries spread around .

It's not incompetence - how many spills of that magnitude have we seen in our lifetimes? Are we going to shut down the airlines whenever a plane crashes due to pilot error?
I'll say again - I wish we had gone to Iraq for their oil. How much oil have we taken from them since we've been there?]

so if you let me drive your truck /van i trash it . you will still let me drive it agian because you know not all people do that .
it doesnt matter how many we have seen .ever wonder why so many have cancer. ever wonder why some many have low or no drinking water .the spills that we have seen where all uncalled for because they were because of somebody not doing there job . we have the Technology knowledge that none of should of happened . just like plane crashs most of them should of not happened either .
so yes shut the airline down because they can hire pilots that cant do their job .

look at the gas prices . and you will see when we took full contral of the oil prices . read that book and you will know why i say that .

Don't need to - it's pretty cut and dried:
Right to Work Law & Legal Definition

"I telephoned the PA Board of Labor Relations in Harrisburg.
The lady that took my telephone call advised me that Pennsylvania is a right to work state and that I could fire anyone for any reason. She went as far to elaborate that an employee could be terminated simply because the employer did not like the employee."
this wasnt me but i did make the same type of call as a employee and got the same answer .
which now i learned the differance . pa is a AT WILL . right to work is you can or not join the union and if you dont pay your union dees you can not be fired from the company . which is the way it should be . nobody should be forced to join or stay in anything .
so i was the one that need to do the research

 

[layoutshooter]

When you work for the State of PA you are REQUIRED to pay union dues, even IF you choose NOT to join the union. I know, I had to pay those dues. I joined after I found that out, just so I could vote.

Good union too. They VOTED to allow prison inmates to work in the State park, when were were laid off because there was no work for us to do. If there was work for inmates, why was there not work for us? Yep, today's unions SUCK. They have big time since AT LEAST 1969.

 

[greg334]

I read this morning an interesting comment, it was from a piece about Micheal Pento's comments on the Fed and the QE3 possibilities.

Michael Pento: Fed Will Continue to Prop Up Stocks at Your Expense | Daily Ticker - Yahoo! Finance

"Since the dollar is going down and stocks are priced in dollars why shouldn't they go higher," he says when asked if the notion of QE3 would help move stocks.

We all know that the stocks are inflated by the devaluing of the dollar, they have to adjust themselves as gold does to represent their real value. Most likely if we adjusted that market for a pre-1964 dollar, we may find the DOW at 1964 levels.

The problem that I see with gas is two fold, one is oil is traded in dollars like stocks and the second is that there is no real shortage but speculation.

Tying this all together, the stock market is an emotional market and the fed is ensuring that the emotion remains positive - one reason could be how Obama's administration is tied better into wallstreet than the last four have been combined while the other half of this is how many view speculation that is in both markets, commodities and stocks. What can help stocks, like QE, will hurt commodities by lowering the value of the dollar.

Has anyone considered tying the price of gas, plastics and other petroleum products to when the dollar is adjusted in value to see if there is maybe a correlation between the two?