Obama: Iraq War Over, Troops to Leave by Year's End

layoutshooter

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I am MORE than happy OUR troops are coming home.(for now) The WAR is FAR from over. It is really just starting. It will continue for DECADES. Iran will be moving in there soon, then, we will be back.

Besides, Obama, (King Killer) needs them for HIS next move in Uganda. OH YEAH, there is now talk of "trainers and advisors" being sent to "assist" Libya (Al-Qaeda Land).


The so called "Cold War" lasted more than 48 years. This one will go on MUCH longer. Don't fall into the media trap of "individual wars" Korea and Vietnam were part and parcel of the "Cold War", just different theaters of operation. It is NO different with Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, etc. Get used to it. This war will out live your grand kids.
 

layoutshooter

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You should've just left it at that.

Why? So I could agree with an incorrect idea? This war is FAR from over. Things are what they are. I am not willing to fall for the "stuff" put out by the "left" (PBS, Obama etc) You are MORE than welcome to believe as you choose. I choose not to believe this. The entire story flies in the face of history and the realities of what is going on there.

You posted a story, I commented on it, that is what these forums are for.
 

witness23

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Why? So I could agree with an incorrect idea? This war is FAR from over.

So according to you this is a false report? Our troops aren't coming home? Someone better tell the Iraqi government and let the President know A.S.A.P.

Oh and kudos to President Bush for setting the deadline and Obama following through and bringing our men and woman home.
 

layoutshooter

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So according to you this is a false report? Our troops aren't coming home? Someone better tell the Iraqi government and let the President know A.S.A.P.

Oh and kudos to President Bush for setting the deadline and Obama following through and bringing our men and woman home.

NO, you misread. I did NOT say that the part about the troops coming home was false. I said the BS about the war being over was. NOW the REAL carnage will start there. Iran has been the main problem in Iraq for years. They are a puppet state of the Soviets (they really never have went away, they were just a "dormant volcano" )

This move is just the end of the beginning.

Kudos to NO ONE on this stupidity. They are ONLY coming home to train for the NEXT MESS. The training is already starting at a base in Germany, (my nephew and his wife are there). Funny thing too. My son, who WAS getting a medical discharge, is NOW being kept it and transferred from a line unit to a training base, Ft. Knox. Possible expansion of the training mission there? They train "scouts". Like forward spotters for artillery units. Why would we need to expand that? Right now, we are NOT in a war that uses all that much artillery. Maybe they are changing the focus of what "scouts" do? OR? Maybe we ARE preparing for a conflict that will need the use of artillery to a larger degree than what we do now? Time will tell.

Failing rulers almost always start wars when they lose control at home. It shifts the focus from their incompetence to the war. Nothing new under the sun.

Deadlines like this are only set and enforced by fools.
 

dieseldiva

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So according to you this is a false report? Our troops aren't coming home? Someone better tell the Iraqi government and let the President know A.S.A.P.

Oh and kudos to President Bush for setting the deadline and Obama following through and bringing our men and woman home.

How do you jump from this war isn't over and won't be for a long time to "our troops aren't coming home"??? :rolleyes:
 

Pilgrim

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How do you jump from this war isn't over and won't be for a long time to "our troops aren't coming home"??? :rolleyes:
Looks like an attempt to create an argument where there isn't one. LOS is right though - BHO is going to look pretty stupid when he has to send them back when Iran starts causing trouble.
 

OntarioVanMan

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45,000 troops coming home....to what? Unemployment is 13% amongst vets...and they get NO Unemployment Insurance nothing, nada....just tossed to the side...
They should get unemployment insurance for at least 2 years and FREE housing as well....enough empty bases around...till they can get back on their feet, for those that need the help..
 

OntarioVanMan

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Looks like an attempt to create an argument where there isn't one. LOS is right though - BHO is going to look pretty stupid when he has to send them back when Iran starts causing trouble.

HOPEFULLY...BHO won't be in office by then...
 

layoutshooter

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45,000 troops coming home....to what? Unemployment is 13% amongst vets...and they get NO Unemployment Insurance nothing, nada....just tossed to the side...
They should get unemployment insurance for at least 2 years and FREE housing as well....enough empty bases around...till they can get back on their feet, for those that need the help..

Wrong on one point, they DO get unemployment. Tossing vets aside is the norm for this country. Nothing new here.
 

greg334

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Iran?

Who really cares?

Layout, did you ever think what Iran really means to the situation?

I feel that our presence is there not to protect Israel, who doesn't need protecting but rather the Suads and their empire. I also think that if Bush got his way with Iraq, Iran would be farther ahead in internal strife and the latest part of that is the upper governing group of Iran has come out and said "we might just eliminate the office of the president soon" which to me indicates more than their displeasure of the crazy mouthpiece for Iran.

My bigger concern is who is going to pay us for the bases we built and the money we dumped into the country for security that we can't take back?
 

skyraider

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U all sound like aunt Bees quilting party members, mercy , rumors and such.................Whos our next contestant?:D
 

layoutshooter

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Iran?

Who really cares?

Layout, did you ever think what Iran really means to the situation?

I feel that our presence is there not to protect Israel, who doesn't need protecting but rather the Suads and their empire. I also think that if Bush got his way with Iraq, Iran would be farther ahead in internal strife and the latest part of that is the upper governing group of Iran has come out and said "we might just eliminate the office of the president soon" which to me indicates more than their displeasure of the crazy mouthpiece for Iran.

My bigger concern is who is going to pay us for the bases we built and the money we dumped into the country for security that we can't take back?


Things are JUST STARTING, Greg. This has decades to play out.

Iran was the primary supplier to the insurgents. They provided the training in and supplies for, the making of the IED's used there. The vast majority of the insurgents captured there were Iranian along with a large contingent of Saudi's and other assorted middle eastern and radical Europeans.

The explosives used were mainly of Russian and/or Chinese manufacture along with a smattering of components from other sources.
 

greg334

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Things are JUST STARTING, Greg. This has decades to play out.

Learn the history first before you make that claim. It has been going on for decades, not just starting out. It has formed to include us when we became a part of the UN and made decisions that forced one country into accepting another's needs or demands.

Iran was the primary supplier to the insurgents. They provided the training in and supplies for, the making of the IED's used there.

Yes and?

If we are not there, then we don't have to worry about it, right?

Training isn't an issue, it seems they are smart enough to use that Internet thing and look it up.

The vast majority of the insurgents captured there were Iranian along with a large contingent of Saudi's and other assorted middle eastern and radical Europeans.

Don't forget the radical Americans, like those in them churches who say we are d*mned for allowing gays in the military, or don't they count?

It doesn't matter because since the 1860's we have had to deal with radical people.

The explosives used were mainly of Russian and/or Chinese manufacture along with a smattering of components from other sources.

Well guess what?

If one wants to get explosives, it is rather easy to do if one is determined. I just read an interesting piece of fiction about some brits who were planning on bomboing some place in London or something like that and they made their own explosives. The problem is that one of them blew themselves up. It is based on a true story and the writer was one member who detailed who made what and how it was all done.

BUT guess what?

It is possible, very possible if one is determined.

The Chinese and Russian (let alone the Germans, French and others who deal in arms - oh that includes us) don't really care who they sell to and if we are really concern, we first need to deal with the issues here, because they are more important than Iran or NK or even China.
 

witness23

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45,000 troops coming home....to what? Unemployment is 13% amongst vets...and they get NO Unemployment Insurance nothing, nada....just tossed to the side...

Ummmm......do you think that when these 45,000 troops come home they are no longer in the military and will enter civilian life?????
 

layoutshooter

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Ummmm......do you think that when these 45,000 troops come home they are no longer in the military and will enter civilian life?????

Most are reservists or members of the National Guard. A smaller percentage are regular army, or other services. Many are going to be sent to expanding training sites that are now being expanded. There is a shift in how certain troops/units are going to be used. Also, the type of training indicates a "new mission". I have NO idea what or where that may be. A "larger" mission, more conventional type, than we have been involved with of late.
 

greg334

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Ummmm......do you think that when these 45,000 troops come home they are no longer in the military and will enter civilian life?????

I have a job for every one of them and happy to pay them to do their job.

We have a border that needs to be built and guarded, a perfect job for those who have served in combat.
 

purgoose10

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45,000 troops coming home....to what? Unemployment is 13% amongst vets...and they get NO Unemployment Insurance nothing, nada....just tossed to the side...
They should get unemployment insurance for at least 2 years and FREE housing as well....enough empty bases around...till they can get back on their feet, for those that need the help..

I shouldn't get into this but anyway, troops released from duty are eligable for 72 weeks unemployment. I think that has been raised to 90 not sure.
As far as coming home we do have a tank brigade in Kuwait along with a cav unit. Don't know how many Apaches in a Cav unit now used to be 30 but I'm sure that's changed. Of course the numb nut in the w/house will probably turn that over to the girl scouts.:rolleyes:
 
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