Obama and State department kill Keystone pipeline

Turtle

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I don't believe he's really considering the environment, either, but rather the financial (and political) ramifications of what an environmental disaster could cost him.

The State Department said the approval will interfere with alternative energy source programs, but they first stated that when Bush was president, and also said that it was not an impediment to approval.

In fact, the State Department initially approved the thing outright, but changed their mind when tree huggers (and Nebraska Republicans) got too loud regarding the possible environmental impact of a rupture. Parts of it were long ago approved and has already been constructed and is online.

The State Department (nor Obama) isn't trying to thwart of kill this thing. The entire pipeline will be completed.


"Nebrakska not having a completed permit route is also another issue, but one that could be done in a short amount of time. After all, they have been fooling around with this for three years."

Actually, they've been fooling around with it since February 2005.

But once the resubmit the proposal with the accepted routing through Nebraska, work on the pipeline should begin rather quickly, sometime in 2014, 2015 at the latest.


"Incidentally, I thought they had a alternative route around this aquifer? Not 100 percent sure on that."

They do. They've had one in the works for several years, and they've been working with the State Department and Nebraska to finalize it. It's virtually finalized, just need to get the final blueprint details done. If Congress hadn't put in a deadline for the decision, it would likely be over with by mid summer.

I know someone who is directly involved in this, a relative of mine. He (and his wife) used to be employed by ConocoPhilips, but now works for TransCanada since they bought ConocoPhilips' interest and are now the sole owner. They deal with the Cushing, OK oil hub and tank farm, which is one of the key segments in the Keystone pipeline, and it's where US oil will enter the pipeline (another connection where US oil will enter is Baker, Montana), when the pipeline is completed. From Cushing it will head on down to Texas.

The State Department had already issued the Presidential Permit for the permits and construction of the early phases of the Keystone Pipeline (not the XL extension) in 2008 at the US/Canadian border, and it went online in 2010. Then another segment, the Keystone-Cushing pipeline from Steel City, NE through Kansas to Cushing, OK went online just about a year ago.

Phase 3 of this thing takes the oil from Cushing down to Texas.

Phase 4 is the one that links up Alberta, via Baker, Montana and then through South Dakota and Nebraska and hook up with Steel City, where it then flows to Cushing and finally to Texas.

Ironically, it was a Canadian union (Energy, Communications and Paperworkers Union, or something like that) who has fought the hardest against the pipeline, trying everything they could think of to kill the project. They stated that since the pipeline would serve the US exclusively, and would yield very few permanent Canadian jobs (not much of that pipeline in actually in Canada), and because it would reduce Canada's energy security and other falling sky reasons, that it should not be allowed.

The threat of running the pipeline to the Pacific and feeding china with is is an empty threat. The already exists a mountain of litigation blocking it, and that combined with expected additional litigation and additional costs of routing it over the Rockies will cost TransCanada more money than they could ever hope to get out of the pipeline.

This thing will get done, and ironically, it's likely to be on Obama's watch. But the reason he killed it at present has little to do with where the money goes.


There's no need to explain yourself, at least to me that is.
I'm not explaining myself to you. I'm explaining myself to others who, well, you know... :D
 
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witness23

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Incidentally, I thought they had a alternative route around this aquifer? Not 100 percent sure on that.

That's what they were working on until the Republicans added the 60 day deadline to the Payroll Tax Cut extension. Blame the Republicans for the killing the pipeline.

On November 10, 2011, in response to concerns regarding the pipeline route and actions by the Nebraska legislature applicable to pipeline siting, the State Department announced a delay in its national interest determination to gather additional information necessary to assess a new pipeline route avoiding the Sand Hills. On November 14, 2011, TransCanada announced its decision to work with the Nebraska Department of Environmental Quality to identify an acceptable pipeline route around the Sand Hills. The State Department estimates that the preparation of supplemental environmental analysis necessary for a new route alternative may be complete in early 2013.

Link to the CRS Report for Congress: http://www.fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/R41668.pdf
 

witness23

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I'm not explaining myself to you. I'm explaining myself to others who, well, you know... :D

;)

Unfortunately I know all to well.

Here's a good question to ask. How many jobs is this pipeline supposed to create here in the U.S. ?
 

purgoose10

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;)

Unfortunately I know all to well.

Here's a good question to ask. How many jobs is this pipeline supposed to create here in the U.S. ?

I don't think there is a large amount of jobs once the pipe line is built. It will mostly be automatic just like the pipe lines in place now. But the amount of construction jobs and just think about how many truck loads of pipe at 40' each it will take to do it. I can see a lot of truckers doing well for at least a couple of years just like the Alaska pipe line did.
 

witness23

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I think its fair at this point to pose the question again.


Now, who is it, exactly, that's the "current crop of idiots"?
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cableguymn

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I believe that "Paper or plastic?" should be changed to "Paper or cotton?"

Not to stray.. but.. Plastic was a save the trees answer. Now they want to tax the plastic bags at the supermarket. (go figure)

I'll pass on the e-coli infected cotton bags.
 

davekc

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Thanks Turtle. That was some good info that I didn't know.
The MSM let me down again.:D
 

Turtle

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Correct. It'll create jobs, but not nearly the "thousands" that the Republican rhetoric says.

According to the esteemed and honorable (not to mention emotionally crippled crybaby) House Speaker from Ohio, the decision to delay it will not merely delay the creation of new jobs, but will, in fact, in a counting-the-chickens-before-they-are-hatched maneuver, "destroy tens of thousands of American jobs."

TransCanada predicts 20,000 jobs, 13,000 in construction and 7,000 in manufacturing (almost none of which will exist after the pipeline is completed in a few short years).

The US Department of Commerce, in an astoundingly delusional and asinine statement, says 250,000 permanent US jobs would be created by the 3-foot diameter pipeline.

But, TransCanada admitted that its estimate counted up "job years" spent on the project, not actual jobs. It's just like man-hours, only different. The company was counting a single construction worker who worked for two years on the project as being two jobs rather than one. I have no idea how the US Commerce Department calculated their ridiculous numbers, but I'm sure it would be entertaining to find out. Probably "spinoff" jobs of people making work boots not in China or something.

It'll be a few hundred permanent positions, probably, and about 1500 temporary jobs during construction and manufacturing. Maybe a dozen or so spinoff jobs in Marlboro Man denim shirts and colorful hard hats. Oh, wait, those are made in China, too.
 
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