Obama along with other countries to tap oil reserves

EnglishLady

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You are correct the lower price will be short lived but he can point back to it during his campaign and say look I tried to do something and if you think he did not consider how it would or not help his poll numbers you must be blind


I don't doubt that he would do that - its the way of politicians to praise themselves, but the intelligent voter will remember that it was ....

"The IEA says the move is in response to the disruption in supplies caused by the Libyan conflict"

and not the President doing it off his own back to ease the situation for the Citizens of the USA.



As always IMO :)
 

purgoose10

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And people don't realize it only lowers the pump price by 2c a gallon. Bama is grasping at straws, he know he's doomed to loose. His last fund raiser at $38,000 a plate (crazy people), half the tables were empty. Hopefully he and the others in his staff are going to join the unemployment lines.;)
 

D Team Brothers

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The IEA is a political org. If the president says he will release 30 mil. barrels, you think those politicians might go along? Also, it will be interesting to see exactly where and if those other 30 mil. will come from (Britian only 3 mil.). The question that needs to be answered is: why now? Oil prices have been slowly dropping for the past few weeks. This announcement will only have a momentary effect on the oil price. Speculators are already today pushing up the future oil prices based on the need to replace the oil from the reserves at a higher cost to the taxpayers. Libyan oil disruption - what affect does that have on the US? How much of their oil comes to the US - 0! So this act by the president is helping who, not the US taxpayers (it will cost us). So again, why now; why at all; why not 1 or 2 months ago when oil was at it's highest. International economist cannot explain it. They say it may even have a negative affect. It is being done of political reasons and the results will be costly for the US taxpayers. JMO; Jack
 

Tennesseahawk

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DTeam... even if we don't buy from Libya, it still disrupts world supply.

I think all of this is political pandering. Governments at all levels have used the high prices at the pump to mask their own gas tax increases. The feds alone have a .40/gal tax.
 

greg334

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I don't know where anyone would think this is about the US and consumers here but it is about the Arab league, OPEC, the EU customers (can you say Italy?) who depend on Libyan oil and nothing else. Obama isn't helping the country unless he sells short futures at the same time selling off oil that was bought at $100 a bbl.

As of yesterday, output from Libya was pegged at 355,000 bbls, still cut from the 1.8 million bbls a day output. There isn't as much as a concern with oil as their is with Nato and how we are talking about cutting funding in congress - which we should. Nato and others shouldn't be there as much as we shouldn't be in Nato.

The Sauds have raised their output to make up the difference of the 1.5 million bbls a day, a move that may have triggered the downward slide in prices.
 

chefdennis

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June 24, 2011

Cash for Pumpers

By Jeffrey Folks
Articles: Cash for Pumpers

On Thursday the President announced that he would release 30 million barrels of oil from the nation's Strategic Petroleum Reserve. The immediate effect on world markets was to knock the oil price down by over $4 a barrel. But many experts question the wisdom -- and the timing -- of the move.

Clearly, the timing of the withdrawal was politically motivated. Any reduction in the price of gas at the pump is going to be popular, especially with Obama's political base and with independents who are key to his reelection. The problem is that, like every other form of stimulus attempted by this administration, the SPR drawdown will have only temporary results. And in the long term, it will almost certainly drive prices up.

Global demand for oil is now 89.3 million barrels per day and rising nearly 2% annually, according to the IEA. Obama's withdrawal of 30 million barrels over the next month, adding about 1% to current supply, will have little effect on global market prices over time. What it will do is to inject further uncertainty in the oil market, causing producers to think twice before committing new investment to new drilling. Oil companies are already facing opposition by the EPA, the Interior Department, the State Department, and other federal agencies. Under Obama, political barriers to new exploration are at an all-time high. Now these companies, which are eager to expand production, are faced with more interference by the Obama administration.

Before committing another $20 billion to energy exploration and development, America's oil companies are going to want to know whether they can expect a decent return on their investment. What the President has done is signal his willingness to undercut their plans if it is politically expedient to do so.

Of course, that's one side of Obama that we have seen before. He was willing to throw the Rev. Jeremiah Wright, his closest mentor and godfather, under the bus when it was necessary to do so. He was willing to sack his dear friend Van Jones at the point when Jones's public comments became too outrageous even for this administration. He sent Larry Summers packing when it became apparent that the economy was not turning around as hoped. Obama's own half-brother has been huddling in an African hut for years while the President, apparently for political reasons, pretends that he does not exist. (Could it be that the American people might feel some qualms about polygamy within the Obama household, if such were brought to their attention?) There seems to be no one, friend or family, that the President is unwilling to abandon for the sake of political gain.

Worse yet, there is not action affecting the country that the President is unwilling to undertake if he thinks it will aid him politically. The nation's security, the economy, the solvency of Social Security and Medicare -- all are expendable if necessary to Obama's reelection.

The Strategic Petroleum Reserve, which is meant to be tapped only in the case of emergencies, is a case in point. The reserve plays a crucial role in America's national security. It is meant to be tapped only in the event of war or some other true emergency. Clearly, the fact that Obama's polling numbers are in the dumps does not constitute a national emergency. But the fact that Obama is willing to tap the SPR at this time reveals something fundamentally wrong about his thinking. In Obama's mind, bad polling numbers apparently do constitute an emergency -- an emergency far more serious, or so he believes, than a war or economic crisis in which the well-being of the American people is at risk.

If it were the well-being of the people that mattered most, Obama would have opened up drilling in the Gulf of Mexico a year ago, and not just with a token number of permit approvals. If he were interested in the long-term energy security of the American people, Obama would be promoting exploration in the arctic and offshore Alaska and offshore the continental U.S. But by releasing 30 million barrels of oil from the SPR, he is merely injecting uncertainty into the markets and causing companies to reconsider plans for new investment.

Clearly, the President's directive is pure politics, intended to placate a restive electorate by temporally driving down the price of oil. And just as cash for clunkers did nothing to increase automobile sales -- it merely drew sales forward by a few months, increasing sales in the summer while reducing them in the fall -- cash for pumpers will do nothing to lower the long-term cost of energy.

Removing over 4% of oil from the SPR, however, is serious business. If Obama finds it politically expedient to continue drawing down our reserves, as he threatens to do, the country could be in desperate straits in the event of a true emergency. It is not difficult to imagine a war in the Middle East closing down the Strait of Hormuz, and such a war could break out at any time. The SPR is designed to provide a buffer of oil supplies in the event of such an emergency. Empting the petroleum reserve for political purposes is a dreadfully irresponsible act on the part of this or any president.

Once again, Obama has put political expediency above national security. He is gambling that a true emergency will not present itself right away, but emergencies do not announce themselves in advance, and presidents should not gamble with the nation's security. Reducing the nation's reserves of petroleum places the country in a vulnerable position relative to those who wish us ill, and especially in relation to major oil-producers such as Iran and Venezuela. Do not think for a minute that Obama's politically expedient move was not noted in Teheran or Caracas. Without a fully stocked Strategic Petroleum Reserve, America is at risk of political blackmail, or worse.
 

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EnglishLady

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Is the author of that piece a poitical writer Dennis?


From that piece it insinuates that the President ALONE made this move and not that the IEA did this as a co-operative :rolleyes:
 

chefdennis

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No one thinks this is a "one person made this decision" this was as Turtle said a "collective"..but barry was the one in our country that made the decision..and his reasoning has minimal to do with anything other then whats in it for him politicially....look at what the article said about the oil companies being able to add to the supply...they can't because barry has them hamstringed with epa regualtions and work stoppage oders in the golf...open up the oil companies to drill and rcover oil and we have no need to use the reserves...but he'd rather screw the energy / oil companies for the greenies and then use the reserves as a politicial tool for what he can use down the road as a way of saying 'see how I tried to fix it"...

And no, his base doesn't care on way or the other...he can do no wrong, so when he trots this bs out during the campaign (which he has really never stopped since his election) they will fall right in line...not all of them, but more then you think...

This is nothing but a political move on barrys part....some are even looking at the timing behind it as being done the same day "helicopter ben' told the world he has no idea whats happening with our economy...they are thinking that if ben holds the line on QE3 and waits for another few months for that..that this release of the oil reserves could have a simular affect on our economy in the short term...buying the fed time...

Nothing but Politics on barrys part, nothing more....
 
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xiggi

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Anyone who believes there was not political consideration in this is off base. It may not be the entire reason but you can bet it was part of the equation. Is it to early to affect the elections, most likely yes. Is it to early to affect barry's current fund raising efforts, nope right on time for that.

Do not forget we will have to pay market rate to replace this oil. A much better way to hit the speculators on a more permanent basis if his goal really was would be to open up and accelerate drilling on and off shore here in the US. It would have a much larger and longer lasting affect than dumping 60 million gallons on the market ever will. But then of course that might not be a good political move for a dem president now would it?

No this wasn't political at all. :rolleyes:
 

chefdennis

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Xiggi wrote:

A much better way to hit the speculators on a more permanent basis if his goal really was would be to open up and accelerate drilling on and off shore here in the US. It would have a much larger and longer lasting affect than dumping 60 million gallons on the market ever will. But then of course that might not be a good political move for a dem president now would it?

Exactly...open up the drilling and getting more product to the market, spectulation slows down....
 

chefdennis

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In July of 2008 the price of oil was the highest it has ever been at approx $147.00 a barrel...we had all kinds of oil moratoriums in place at the time....barry was forced to remove most of them...over the next months the price fell to $33 a barrel....speculators had nothing to do...oil and gas was available and we didn't touch the oil reserves....its not needed...it is political on barrys part....there are other ways to stop the speculators and get oil into the market place...but then barry has to back off his efforts to kill the oil industry...

How much more of the reserves is he going to let out? Is this the 1st of more? Just how long do you think this is going to have an affect on the market? It is short term relief and it will do nothing to help our economy or the people here....

If this was even in the works for more then a few days, way were the markets surprised by it? Why didn't it leak out ? This was done quick and in the big picture to get opec to step up supply...but barrys decision was based on whats best for him, not the market of the country....why would he do it when he is the 1st to admit he wants to get rid of the oil usage in this country....politics and how he see's it to his benefit....
 

witness23

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Oh dear ... another hand over eyes moment please Witness :p

Ask, and ye shall receive:

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Falligator

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That's all he did was tap it too. Our country uses 70million barrels a day. Didnt affect diesel much tho!

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chefdennis

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LOL..i love it...That was short lived...Oil is back to within a Dollar of what it was before they played "politics"...guess barry really showed those evil "speculators" didn't he...LOL...:D

Calling Obama's bluff:
There's a third view as to why oil prices are right back to where they were before the release. There's a sinking feeling that at some point the governments that released the oil will probably buy it back.

Paul Horsnell, head of commodities research at Barclays Capital, noted that prices for oil contracts several months out in advance have risen even more than the near month contracts.

"The release is primarily a way of borrowing oil from the future into the present because the strategic reserves will ultimately be replaced," Horsnell wrote in a research note Wednesday. "Overall, we see the IEA action as being well motivated, but a shot in the dark."

LOL...:D

Oil prices rising a week after SPR release

By Steve Hargreaves
June 30, 2011: 1:08 PM ET
Oil prices: back to before the strategic reserves were tapped - Jun. 30, 2011

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Oil prices have surged in the last few days and are now less than a dollar from where they were when President Obama made the controversial decision to tap the nation's strategic reserve last Thursday.

On Thursday, West Texas Intermediate crude edged lower to $94.27 a barrel. But that's still nearly $5 higher than last week, when prices fell over 4% following the oil release announcement.

Oil's stubborn refusal to trend lower since the United States and other industrialized nations announced they would flood the oil market with 60 million barrels of fuel over the next 30 days is raising questions over what's driving the market -- fundamentals or pure speculation?

Falling dollar: The more conventional theory is that oil's rise is related to the fundamentals -- or, at least, the falling dollar.

The dollar has fallen relative to the euro in the last two days as Greece looks less likely to default on its debt.

Oil, which is priced in dollars, generally rises as investors flock to the commodity when the euro strengthens and dollar's value falls.

"Oil is not up all that much more than the dollar is down," said Greg Priddy, a global energy analyst at the Eurasia group, a political risk consultancy.

Priddy said that if the oil reserves weren't tapped, oil prices would simply be higher. Rather than bouncing back to around their pre-SPR price, he said oil would be $4 or $5 dollars higher than that.

Speculator irrationality at it again: There's another view as to why prices have rebounded so quickly. The sheer amount of investor money flooding into commodities markets is overshadowing any supply and demand numbers.

Obama's desperate SPR oil play

The amount of oil contracts that 60 million barrels generates is tiny compared to the amount of oil contracts that are traded on the world's financial markets every day, said Tim Evans, a futures analyst at Citigroup.

"The futures and options markets trades that in an hour," said Evans. "The only fundamentals that matter are the ones that the paper market decides that matter."

Evans noted that oil prices jumped 2% Wednesday, partly on the back of a report showing a 4.4 million barrel drop in U.S. commercial oil inventories.

"The market is saying that a 4.4 million barrel decline is more important than 60 million barrels being released," he said, also noting that Saudi Arabia and other Gulf states have agreed boost production by an additional 1 million barrels a day.

"I'm not saying anyone in particular is that bad at math, but that's the implied logic of the marketplace, and it's not rational."

Calling Obama's bluff:

There's a third view as to why oil prices are right back to where they were before the release. There's a sinking feeling that at some point the governments that released the oil will probably buy it back.

Paul Horsnell, head of commodities research at Barclays Capital, noted that prices for oil contracts several months out in advance have risen even more than the near month contracts.

"The release is primarily a way of borrowing oil from the future into the present because the strategic reserves will ultimately be replaced," Horsnell wrote in a research note Wednesday. "Overall, we see the IEA action as being well motivated, but a shot in the dark."


The Obama administration argued all along that the release was meant to alleviate a supply disruption from Libya, not lower prices.

From a political standpoint, the administration is still in the clear: Gas prices -- what people really care about -- are continuing to fall from the nearly $4 a gallon mark hit in early May.*

Gas prices usually lag oil price movements. They are still reacting to oil's general downward trend from over $110 a barrel hit a few months ago.

But going into a holiday weekend, it must be cold comfort for the administration to see oil prices right about back where they were before the SPR move.

*And Gas is on the way back up...was as low as $3.34 in Toledo, I paid $3.69 today here....
 
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paullud

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Remember when Clinton tried the same thing? It dropped the price a couple of cents and then went right up again. You will never be able to out maneuver such a corrupt organization.

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greg334

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I just want to point out we are heading into the holiday when gas stations gouge the consumer as a yearly event. There is no lag between the price of oil and the price of gas this time, in one day many of the stations around here have raised their prices as much as 30 cents a gallon, while oil has not raised that fast.
 

paullud

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I just want to point out we are heading into the holiday when gas stations gouge the consumer as a yearly event. There is no lag between the price of oil and the price of gas this time, in one day many of the stations around here have raised their prices as much as 30 cents a gallon, while oil has not raised that fast.

It never does, they are screwing us over. That is one industry that needs to have something done to control it, I don't know that the government is the answer since they make just as much off of the taxes. There are to many ways to manipulate the price of oil and issues with speculators bidding up prices. Jay Leno had a joke recently about pump prices and oil prices, it was something about the price of oil dropping so low and that we should see a reflection in pump prices in about 6 years.

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greg334

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But who are they?

I think the oil companies, like BP and Exxon are not the ones who are jacking the price at the pumps up or down but the station owners who are paying for the next tank instead of paying for what they have in the ground.
 
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