NSA, watch what you say?
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You can't handle the truth. You don't want to know the truth. Clancy has a better handle on reality. He got some things right.
I posted EXACTLY how targets are tasked, collected, analyzed, and you just poopooed what I wrote. There is no point in answering more questions. Maybe you could read an article in the "Ladies Home Journal" on the subject. They would be about as right as you, or "Mad" magazine is.
There were always two kinds of people at the "agency". Those who went to school and those who did the job.
I am NOT defended, nor have I EVER defended, the excesses of some of the employees at the intell agencies. When excesses take place it should always confronted, and ended. The minority of people employed at those agencies SHOULD be removed and prosecuted. Even more so for the political leaders who are the REAL criminals here. Blaming only the tiny minority of agency people for what is going on is not better than putting a band aid on a severed artery.
There will likely be a "bad" driver at FDCC or Load1. That "bad" driver will someday kill someone. At that point do we "blame" expediters in general for it? That is what is going on here. We read story after story of how "BAD" NSA is. Never a mention of the vast majority of the work they are doing that is NOT illegal. Never a mention of the vast majority of those who work there who do a very difficult job, without fan fair, and do it well and legally. A very important job that has to be done, and due to the nature of that job, in secret.
Someday, in the fullness of time, EVERYTHING we are discussing here will be "declassified". When it is, it is likely that many will not believe what they read about it, The few that bother to read it. MOST already "know" what happened. Happens all the time. See it in here all time.
I posted EXACTLY how targets are tasked, collected, analyzed, and you just poopooed what I wrote. There is no point in answering more questions. Maybe you could read an article in the "Ladies Home Journal" on the subject. They would be about as right as you, or "Mad" magazine is.
There were always two kinds of people at the "agency". Those who went to school and those who did the job.
I am NOT defended, nor have I EVER defended, the excesses of some of the employees at the intell agencies. When excesses take place it should always confronted, and ended. The minority of people employed at those agencies SHOULD be removed and prosecuted. Even more so for the political leaders who are the REAL criminals here. Blaming only the tiny minority of agency people for what is going on is not better than putting a band aid on a severed artery.
There will likely be a "bad" driver at FDCC or Load1. That "bad" driver will someday kill someone. At that point do we "blame" expediters in general for it? That is what is going on here. We read story after story of how "BAD" NSA is. Never a mention of the vast majority of the work they are doing that is NOT illegal. Never a mention of the vast majority of those who work there who do a very difficult job, without fan fair, and do it well and legally. A very important job that has to be done, and due to the nature of that job, in secret.
Someday, in the fullness of time, EVERYTHING we are discussing here will be "declassified". When it is, it is likely that many will not believe what they read about it, The few that bother to read it. MOST already "know" what happened. Happens all the time. See it in here all time.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
No - actually you lost.
It happened the moment you admitted - under no threat or duress - on here that you knowingly and willingly lied to a pollster ... just to screw with 'em ...
That admission spoke volumes about how you feel about lying generally ... you viewed the matter with amusement ... as a funny joke ...
If you'll lie about something so inconsequential as a pollster's questions, how much further would you go in lying - as a "true believer" and minion of the National Security State - to protect "the system" you devoted the majority of your adult life to, and which you believe is necessary to "defend the country" ?
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The truth I can handle just fine, it's the lies, and the defense thereof, that I have a problem with.
I'll grant you the possibility that what you say may have been at one time how targets were tasked, collected and analyzed, but to anyone who has been paying attention it is clear that those procedures are no longer being followed, especially since 9/11, and even moreso since the updated law in 2008 which allowed the NSA to even more broadly interpret what they can do, and that new procedures are the standard. The reason I poopooed it is because Congress has caught red handed people lying about it and then admitting the truth, and you keep saying that things are not really how they have been proven to be.
You haven't answered any, yet. And I've only asked one.
Funny, but I'm not getting this information from those kinds of publications, I'm getting it from NSA documents and Congressional testimony by NSA personnel and Intelligence Committee Members.
Claiming you aren't defending them rings hollow because you are claiming they aren't doing exactly the things they got caught doing and have admitted to doing. And claiming it's just a very small minority of people within the agency also rings hollow because there is clearly a systemic culture of lies and misinformation that manifests itself every time we take a closer look at what is going on, and in every place we look. The NSA has already taken steps to reduce the number of contractors by up to 90% in order to better control the flow of information. They wouldn't need to do that if just a small minority of people were involved here. It would be far easier to eliminate the small minority. The number and frequency of admitted abuses, and the nature of those abuses, make it impossible for it to be anything other than agency-wide excesses rather than the isolated excesses of a few.
Staying with your analogy, the reason that is going on here is because all the expediting head honchos got together and stood there and said, "It never happened. We don't even have drivers in the first place, so it's impossible for one of our drivers to kill anyone." And the reason they can say that and mean it is because they don't call their drivers "drivers," they call them Vehicle Operators.
The reason for that is the blatant excesses of the bad and illegal have now completely overshadowed what is now a minority of the good and legal.
That makes sense, since the Senators and Congressman on the Intelligence committees who oversee the NSA are stunned in abject disbelief of what they are finding out about what all is going on.
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NOTHING has changed in how things are prioritized, tasked, collected etc. One phone call to Afghanistan to prove that, but most would refuse to believe it.
Senators? Shocked? That is FUNNY! Remember who is on those committees.
I have to go do real business, SO, youse guys feel free to ridicule me while I am gone and I may respond in a day or so, hopefully longer than that. I REALLY need to make some money. It has been a VERY poor couple of months.
Senators? Shocked? That is FUNNY! Remember who is on those committees.
I have to go do real business, SO, youse guys feel free to ridicule me while I am gone and I may respond in a day or so, hopefully longer than that. I REALLY need to make some money. It has been a VERY poor couple of months.