What I posted is 100% correct. It was correct when I was an 05H, it was correct when I was a "COT", "COO", "CM". It was correct when Monty was an 05K, it was correct when Wimpy007 was in, I believe he was a TA, could be wrong on that on. It is the EXACT terms being used now at NSA and Army intell where my nephew's wife is an intell officer.
So, you're saying that Clapper, Inglis and others with the NSA have lied about all of this in sworn testimony to Congress when they got caught and were presented with classified NSA documents and admitted to precisely what I posted?
What I posted is how it takes place. Get a hold of Mr. Wiebe, he will tell you the exact same story. I did not read in the Times, The "Rolling Stone" or "Mad" magazine. I did it for 20 years. Next time you are in Taylor, when I am home, drop by, I will show you all of the "proof" I have. BIG DIFFERENCE between reading "stories" and experience.
And I should believe you.... beeeecuz you were with the NSA and no one with the NSA ever lies?
NSA, DEA, IRS Lie About Fact That Americans Are Routinely Spied On By Our Government: Time For A Special Prosecutor - Forbes
The USSID you are quoting, and ALL USSID's available for public reading, are not exactly what is actually used or written. You only have access to the unclassified version. There are two versions. The REAL one, that is used, and what you can see online.
You're helping to make my point that the NSA lies and obfuscates the truth, and no one connected with the NSA is to be believed or trusted. The NSA has repeatedly screwed the pooch since 9/11, and they keep getting caught in their lies. Every time it looks like it's just about as bad as it can get, they get caught in something worse. And you're defending all this by saying they aren't doing this crap?
Unbelievable. Literally.
In March the DNI testified under oath in front of the National Intelligence Committee that the NSA does "not wittingly" collect any type of data on millions of Americans. He stuck to that story... right up until the leak of the FISA court order proving that he lied to Congress. Whoops. His response was that his answer was the "least untruthful answer" he could think of. Later, also in front of Congress, also under oath, he admitted that the answer he should have given was simply "yes."
Also under oath in front of Congress he stated unequivocally that the NSA does not collect, gather, store or retain any information or data for which a court order has not expressly ordered them. He had to reverse that one when the NSA's own documents showed the NSA illegally retained 3,032 files that the secret FISA Court had explicitly ordered NSA to destroy. Another "incident" involved something that Clapper said the NSA didn't even have the capability to do, and therefore did not do, was the diversion of international communications traffic passing over through fiber-optic cables in the US into a "repository" for temporary "processing and selection", something the FISA Court in 2011 ruled a violation the Fourth Amendment of the US constitution. He got caught and had to change his tune on that one. His response? It was done unintentionally. You know, something they did not have the capability of doing in the first place. Another incident is where they collected all telephone records into and out of the Washington D.C. Area Code of 202, which was "innocently mistaken" for the International Dialing Code of 20 for the country of Egypt. Clapper and Inglis both said, flat out, that it never happened. When NSA's own documents showed that it did, they said it was an innocent mistake and that the mistake was proptly reported to the FISA Court and to Congress. Except that it was reported to neither, which the same NSA documents showed was a deliberate act of omission. Clapper's response?
"Well, it should have been reported." Ya think? Sheesh.
Clapper, Inglis and other officials at the NSA and throughout the intelligence community now have a very impressive record of lying, getting caught, and then having to scramble to come up with lame excuses for all of this. Excuses which, taken as a whole, make the intelligence community look like incompetent, bumbling fools who make innocent mistakes on a daily basis. Since we know these people to be well educated and very smart, it's far more likely that instead of incompetent, bumbling fools, they are calculating, systematic liars operating in a culture of misinformation.
The NSA hides things from Congress when Congressional committee members visit NSA sites, they water down their reports to the Congressional overseers specifically to obfuscate the truth, and they keep on lying to Congress until they get caught and cannot lie about it anymore. Their track record is so impressive that even when they tell the truth they cannot be trusted, about anything, even something they would not lie about, since they've been caught lying about those things, too.
At every turn the NSA has lied and obfuscated. It has dodged, and later been forced to correct the record. Again, and again, and again. Even the latest Washington Post article, which proves beyond deniability that the NSA breaks privacy laws thousands of times a year in a systematic manner. It is something that Clapper, Inglis and others had steadfastly denied they could even do, when later said they could do, but that laws and court orders prevented them from doing these things. When caught, the official response was nothing more than a "yeah, but," we do it, but we catch it when it happens and then correct it. Thousands of times a year, with very specific information. Shyeah, right. Snowden claimed that with just an e-mail address he could read all of the e-mails of an account. "Impossible!" they said. "Can't be done." Congressman Mike Rogers even took to the Congressional floor to mock Snowden. Then, after all the lies had been good and lied, information about the XKeyscore Program came out. Whoops. Confirmed by former NSA Director General Hayden, and later by Clapper and Inglis and others, turns out that it's not only possible, but that they've been doing it for years. But they did it unintentionally. Yeah, but. Yeah, we read e-mails illegally, but we don't have the ability to do that, and even when we do it it's unintentional. Are you kidding me?
And you're going to sit there and tell us that not only are the declassified NSA documents lies, but so are the leaked classified NSA documents and the leaked classified FISA court orders, and that Clapper wasn't lying, even when he got caught lying and admitted that he was lying? Seriously? You're really going to do that?
Let me ask you the very same question that Clapper and others at the NSA have been asked. Does the NSA collect data on thousands or millions of Americans?
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