Now the truth is out.

Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
Instead of Fox News, you must get your information from such unimpeachable sources like CBS and Dan Rather. But TV aside, check out the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post. You will find that the $200M project to which you refer was actually money that was proposed by the Corps of Engineers to deepen a channel for barge traffic which had been steadily DECREASING over the years - there's your pork!

One other thing - over the past 5 years under Bush and the Republican Congress, Louisiana has had $1.9 Billion allocated to it for water channel/levee projects - far more than any other state (California which has 7 times as many people was 2nd with $1.4B). The LA senators and congressmen have made sure this money was reallocated to their local pet projects (more pork) instead of things like upgrading the levees to a cat. 5 rating.

Final point: CONGRESS passed that Highway Bill, not Bush. Granted, he should have vetoed it but that would have been over-ridden.

The corruption of Louisiana politics is legendary and we now see the incompetence of the N.O. mayor and Governor of the state on full display.
 

highway star

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Owner/Operator
All this talk about what should have been done by all levels of government. We're in a country founded on principles of self-reliance. On Sunday morning, if you had a functional auyomobile with half a tank of gas...

OK, I guess I've said it enough.
 

snowbird74365

Expert Expediter
i know it wasn't the federal gov. that dropped the ball i was involved in in and we were held at the state lines till the storm was over and then was told to get out of N.O they didnt want the governments help. we had supplies there and waiting. so fema and red cross and cdc was all there, but wasn't allowed in.
 

hdl

Expert Expediter
I don't remember where
>in the Bill of Rights it says the feds have to rebuild
>levies. Oh yes... it's in the tenth bill, which says: All
>remaining powers are reserved for the STATES!

Thawk, please do bone up on the Constitution

The primary powers are listed in Article 1, section 8, not the BoR. Actually the levees, if needed as part of a port system, could be covered lawfully by the Congress. If they were needed solely for the protection of New Orleans then that would be a state and local matter.

In any case it really doesn't matter because 99.9% of politicians, media types, and law school professors view the Constitution as some quaint little document from another time that has zero relevance to today. Pretty much all top Republicans and Democrats give their allegiance to the UN Charter and the UN's Universal Declaration of Human Rights.
 

davekc

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Pilgrim wrote
Instead of Fox News, you must get your information from such unimpeachable sources like CBS and Dan Rather. But TV aside, check out the Wall Street Journal and the Washington Post. You will find that the $200M project to which you refer was actually money that was proposed by the Corps of Engineers to deepen a channel for barge traffic which had been steadily DECREASING over the years - there's your pork!
One other thing - over the past 5 years under Bush and the
Republican Congress, Louisiana has had $1.9 Billion allocated to it for water channel/levee projects - far more than any other state (California which has 7 times as many people was 2nd with $1.4B). The LA senators and congressmen have made sure this money was reallocated to their local pet projects (more pork) instead of things like upgrading the levees to a cat. 5 rating.

Final point: CONGRESS passed that Highway Bill, not Bush. Granted, he should have vetoed it but that would have been over-ridden.

The corruption of Louisiana politics is legendary and we now see the incompetence of the N.O. mayor and Governor of the state on full display.

This is accurate information. Good post.
While keeping an open mind, I once again see Fox News way ahead with their information. CBS,NBC,CNN are just recently providing this information, and it was on FOX right after the storm.
It seeemed ABC,CBS,NBC,CNN were too focused on whether to blame Bush, Fema, or make a racial issue out of it.
The other disappointment is all the damage in MS and AL. Short of Fox, the others provide little info on those effected areas. New Orleans seems their only focus.
Sad:(


Davekc
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
As I was looking for my disaster volunteer manual for article material and I ran across my disaster history book of stats.

As many of you know I hate the news media because of the false and misleading information that they keep saying about disasters, among a lot of other things. The one thing that they keep say is that this is the WORST disaster that the US has ever had. Well it may be financially, mainly because things are always getting more expensive to build, etc… but as far as lost of lives, here is a small list of the worst disaster that we have had as a country.

Please note that I am not in anyway trying to cheapen the loss of life in the Katrina disaster, any loss of life is a tragedy and should be to all but when I hear the worst disaster we ever had, I cringe and want to scream.

I am not including 9/11 by the way.

Hurricanes – here are the worst

Sept. 8, 1900 Galveston, Tex.: an estimated 6,000–8,000 dead, there were many still on vacation and in those days there wasn’t any way to track families. Would you believe that they didn’t believe a hurricane was coming after the Weather official went around telling them to leave

Sept. 2–9, 1776 N.C. to Maine: called the “Hurricane of Independence,” it is believed that 4,170 dies but there may have been more because they didn’t count the slaves as people in some counties in NC, Virginia, PA and NY

Sept. 6–20, 1928 Lake Okeechobee, southeast Fla.: 1,836 deaths. Second-deadliest U.S. hurricane on record since the official recording has been taking place

Aug. 28, 1893 Savannah, Ga., Charleston, S.C., Sea Islands, S.C.: at least 1,000 died.

Sept. 10–22, 1938 Long Island, N.Y., and southern New England: “New England Hurricane”; 600 deaths

Great Lakes White Hurricane of November 1913, ok don’t laugh at this one, it had all the signs of a hurricane and would be considered a category one hurricane. the lost of life was small, 300 to 500 estimated but the damage it did to the Great lakes shipping affected the US 1914 and some of 1915 economy.

Tornados – just a couple

March 18, 1925 Mo., Ill., and Ind.: the great “Tri-State Tornado”; 689 dead; over 2,000 injured. Property damage estimated at $16.5 million. The Officials said it was one tornado that traveled over 125 miles and at times was three to four miles wide. The interesting thing about this disaster is that the instructor of the class I was taking on disasters was a survivor of this event and told first hand account of how his town disappeared in less than two minutes

May 6, 1840 Natchez, Miss.: tornado struck heart of the city, killing 317 and injuring over 1,000

Other disasters – just a few

April 18, 1906 San Francisco: earthquake accompanied by fire razed more than 4 sq mi; over 500 dead or missing. As with the Chicago fire, the nation mobilized to supply the survivors and help rebuild the city. At that time it took a lot longer to build a building, which was done mainly by hand and San Francisco hosted the 1909 World’s Fair, three years after the disaster. This leads me to believe that New Orleans will rebuild in a shorter time

May 31, 1889 Johnstown, Pa.: collapse of South Fork Dam left more than 2,200 dead. This disaster could have been prevented but the people who were in charge did not listen to the people who were warning them about what was about to happen. Imagine a locomotive that weighs 40 or 50 tons being thrown about from the rush of water when it hit the city

1918 - 1920 Nationwide: Spanish influenza killed over 500,000 Americans. More people died from this disaster than all others combined. Even though it wasn’t like a hurricane or storm, it still is considered a disaster. There was not one person in the US that this did not affect. Here is a really good example of government having its hands tied by the courts and other legal restrictions. They NYC health department wanted to do a lot to contain the spread of the virus but they had to make sure that they didn’t step on the rights of others. Yes this was 1918, but reformists were the problem then as the liberals are today.

April 16–18, 1947 Texas City, Tex.: most of the city destroyed by a fire and subsequent explosion on the French freighter Grandcamp, which was carrying a cargo of ammonium nitrate. (This is the stuff that was used in Oklahoma bombing; the ship was almost full of it.) At least 516 were killed and over 3,000 injured. I was reading person accounts of children being ripped from their parent’s arms from the shockwave over a mile from the blast

April 27, 1865 Mississippi River, near Memphis, Tenn.: explosion on steamboat Sultana killed 1,547.This was a large group of Union Soldiers who were on their way home from the prison camps that were liberated.

I am providing this list for everyone to read because it is important for all of us to understand that we as a country have faced disasters before and we have come out of it with the resilience we will survive and continue to help our fellow countrymen (and Countrywomen for the PC crowd) and still provided help to others around the world. During the 1947 Texas City disaster we were just bringing the last of our troops home from the pacific and gearing up for the marshal plan to help rebuild Europe.
 

BigBusBob

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Driver
Having lived in FL, and knowing a bit about Lake Okeechobee, I can say with conviction that the same thing (for the most part) that happened in/to New Orleans, happened To the surrounding towns of Lake Okeechobee in the late 1920's....

70 years ago a lake flooded, due to a Hurricane.
The levees broke, and entire small towns went under water.
To this day there are old cemetaries in areas around Lake Okeechobee in FL that hold empty caskets of those that were lost.

I can remember in the early 90's when the lake level rose one rainy summer, and the levees began to leak... literally! There was water bubbling around parts of the levee that surround the lake.
What did "they" do?
Why sand bags of course, and a few dump loads of dirt.


For those that don't know... Lake Okeechobee is a lake west of West Palm Beach, FL, and there are flood canals that the Army Corps of Engineers dug to and from the lake to help coastal communities and farmers alike with flood control and irrigation issues. Around the lake there are thousands upon thousands of acres that hold all kinds of things, from carrots to Sugar Cane to Rice.
Oranges and Sugar Cane are the 2 main crops, though on the west side and north west side of the lake there are many large fertilizer plants. The lake is a popular spot for bass fishing.

Bare in mind that the last time a hurricane with a force of Katrina, Andrew, or Hugo hit directly to West Palm Beach (approximately 70+ miles north of where Andrew hit) has been over 30 years. I've been there in Palm Beach County when a Cat. 1 Hurricane has gone through, I've seen what flooding occurs then, and what damage occurs.
Having seen that, and experiencing that, I don't want to see what a Cat. 4 or 5 Hurricane does to Palm Beach County and that area of FL. Because I know what can and will happen.

Experts have long said that a storm like Katrina has been overdue to Palm Beach County.

When it happens, and in due time it will...
expect Katrina to have a twin sister.

Unfortunately, just like they said with New Orleans,
it was long overdue.
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
Experts have long said that a storm like Katrina has been overdue to Palm Beach County.

When it happens, and in due time it will...
expect Katrina to have a twin sister.

With being a resident there as well, many talk about it as the next big disaster to hit FL. Your right on the money with that one.

Davekc
 

pamc

Expert Expediter
Truth in the eyes of the beholder...

You can view numerous websites and read numerous timelines to the Katrina tragedy. Reporting by these sites, mostly politically motivated, are not unlike witnesses and vehicle operators in an accident. You'll get different viewpoints from the witnesses and conflicting accounts of the accident from the operators involved.

The truth, rather the "facts", will emerge someday. I am sure there are plenty of finger pointing to go around.

As far as my "logical" $0.02 ... it is the local governments initial responsibility to evacuate its people <period>. There were in fact many buses that "could" have been used. The warning given by NOAA fell on [somewhat] deaf ears by the LA Gov and the NO Mayor. When and after the FIT hit the SHAN, the State and Local government pleaded for help. The Feds certainly didn't do their best either -- FEMA has a lot to be desired in this matter.

Then if some want to go back and discuss Levee funding, or lack of. If I am not mistaken, spending (or lack of) started long before Bush.

It goes back to more than one person or entity is to blame. The people didn't head warnings (some possibly late), the State Gov. did a crappy job, the Mayor didn't do his best, FEMA blew it, and Bush appointed someone less than qualified to head up FEMA.

Again, just my $0.02,
Pamc

Ahh... one PS:
Did you hear about the young man (Jabbar Gibson, 20) who commandeered an abandoned school bus -- helped many evacuate ... only to be arrested later for "stealing a bus." Now tell me, if you saw the bus yard of hundreds of buses ... does one missing bus, one that help many escape flood waters really matter in the scope of things?
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
RE: Truth in the eyes of the beholder...

It is sad that this person is viewed as committing a crime but this disaster is odd by blaming someone who really did something.

But speaking about buses in New Orleans, I heard something that almost ran me off the road (something really really sad).

The governor, her spoke person and the Mayor defended something I find impossible. I am told and supposed to believe that one reason no one used the buses is the mayor said he couldn’t find any bus drivers to drive the buses.

Now what is even worst is the governor’s comment (or her spokes person) that it some times hard to find anyone to work on a sunny day let alone during a storm.

Not to demean anyone from Louisiana, but I find these comments on the edge of insanity and anyone making them should be asking “paper or plastic”; NOT in any office that has any responsiblity to the public.

Now I can understand that finding a professional bus driver may be hard, but come on – you mean out of 10,000 people who wanted to get out there isn’t one person who can drive a bus in an emergency.

Is there anyone really believing all of this?
 

davekc

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RE: Truth in the eyes of the beholder...

Now I can understand that finding a professional bus driver may be hard, but come on – you mean out of 10,000 people who wanted to get out there isn’t one person who can drive a bus in an emergency

Hard to tell what is true and isn't at times. My understanding, is that they would have had plenty of drivers the day BEFORE the storm.
Instead, they waited until the day the storm was to hit, and most had left or were in the process of getting out.
Again, I not totally sure if this is true, but some of this was on Meet the Press with Tim Russert on Sunday. Sad events, if it pans to be true.

Davekc
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
RE: Truth in the eyes of the beholder...

I saw Mayor Dakin on MTP Sunday - the more he talks the more it becomes evident he's not capable of organizing a one-float parade, much less an evacuation procedure. I wonder why Russert didn't ask him the reason he moved himself and his family to Dallas,TX instead of at least staying in his own state?

Regarding the buses; even if the drivers had all run to the high ground, the National Guard could have provided military drivers had they been called up in time by the Governor. I'm sure they have Transportation Units in Louisiana just like everywhere else.
 

highway star

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Owner/Operator
RE: Truth in the eyes of the beholder...

Another issue brought up about the busses was not having a place to take people. Seems to me some high ground out of harms way would suffice in the short term. A competent evacuation plan should have included arranging a place to go.
 

simon says

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Charter Member
Boy, Dave KC you either have a lot of time on you're hands or are really desperate to defend Bush et al., OR BOTH. Seems the first casualty in the Admin. would be Mr. Brown, aka, former head of FEMA. Perhaps, Bush, Rummy, MR. Halliburton, will follow... Nothing like a good old gov. crisis... remember all the people dancing in the street when Nixon left in disgrace. Thats why old Billy C. is out there providing cover right now- best friend an emperor could have: court jester.
Just so happens, that FEMA secured the state of FL. for "W" a second time last fall, by sending all our Landstar buddies down there for a month to provide aid. Seems like after the 2004 election was over, FEMA was buried in a coffin.
FYI: I wouldn't trust FOX news to accurately cover my own funeral. It was their big shot operations head who first called Bush the victor that night in 2000. That action, helped to send voters in CA. to the polls, thinking Bush was ahead. It was part of a disinformation propaganda campaign by the Rep. right wingers.
Know what, SNIPERVICTIM is still right... and none of you touch the content of what he raises.
 

davekc

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>Boy, Dave KC you either have a lot of time on you're hands
>or are really desperate to defend Bush et al., OR BOTH.

Plenty of time on my hands, but the information was forwarded to me.
And no, I am not a defender of Bush. After two weeks, and more information, it is clear there were problems all the way from the local levels to the federal levels. And it is still a mess, all the way through.
You are correct, FEMA was a failure in this crisis, and they are still totally overwhelmed.

It is my opinion if the people were evacuated by the mayor and governor at the appropriate times, things might have turned out different. However, we now see how inept FEMA management is after a disaster. The test is on Bush to straighten it out.
Time will tell.

With regards to Fox News, they were providing information on MS and AL. The others were more focused exclusively on New Orleans.

Davekc
 

hdl

Expert Expediter
RE: Truth in the eyes of the beholder...

>Now I can understand that finding a professional bus driver
>may be hard, but come on – you mean out of 10,000 people who
>wanted to get out there isn’t one person who can drive a bus
>in an emergency
>Davekc

I've read of at least one story where a doctor was ordered to stop assisting evacuees. He was providing CPR when ordered to stop. Why? He wasn't officially sanctioned by FEMA to provide aid.

They don't care whether or not you can drive a bus. What matters to them is whether or not you have been qualified through them to do so.

It's about control, not action in the best interest of those that need served.
 

cleat

Expert Expediter
An Unnatural Disaster: A Hurricane Exposes the
Man made Disaster of the Welfare State

by Robert Tracinski Sep 02, 2005

It has taken four long days for state and federal
officials to figure out how to deal with the disaster
in New Orleans. I can't blame them, because it has
also taken me four long days to figure out what is
going on there. The reason is that the events there
make no sense if you think that we are confronting a
natural disaster.

If this is just a natural disaster, the response for
public officials is obvious: you bring in food, water,
and doctors; you send transportation to evacuate
refugees to temporary shelters; you send engineers to
stop the flooding and rebuild the city's
infrastructure. For journalists, natural disasters
also have a familiar pattern: the heroism of ordinary
people pulling together to survive; the hard work and
dedication of doctors, nurses, and rescue workers; the
steps being taken to clean up and rebuild.

Public officials did not expect that the first thing
they would have to do is to send thousands of armed
troops in armored vehicles, as if they are suppressing
an enemy insurgency. And journalists--myself
included--did not expect that the story would not be
about rain, wind, and flooding, but about rape,
murder, and looting.

But this is not a natural disaster. It is a man-made
disaster.

The man-made disaster is not an inadequate or
incompetent response by federal relief agencies, and
it was not directly caused by Hurricane Katrina. This
is where just about every newspaper and television
channel has gotten the story wrong.

The man-made disaster we are now witnessing in New
Orleans did not happen over the past four days. It
happened over the past four decades. Hurricane Katrina
merely exposed it to public view.

The man-made disaster is the welfare state.

For the past few days, I have found the news from New
Orleans to be confusing. People were not behaving as
you would expect them to behave in an
emergency--indeed, they were not behaving as they have
behaved in other emergencies. That is what has shocked
so many people: they have been saying that this is not
what we expect from America. In fact, it is not even
what we expect from a Third World country.

When confronted with a disaster, people usually rise
to the occasion. They work together to rescue people
in danger, and they spontaneously organize to keep
order and solve problems. This is especially true in
America. We are an enterprising people, used to
relying on our own initiative rather than waiting
around for the government to take care of us. I have
seen this a hundred times, in small examples (a small
town whose main traffic light had gone out, causing
ordinary citizens to get out of their cars and serve
as impromptu traffic cops, directing cars through the
intersection) and large ones (the spontaneous response
of New Yorkers to September 11).

So what explains the chaos in New Orleans?

To give you an idea of the magnitude of what is going
on, here is a description from a Washington Times
story:

"Storm victims are raped and beaten; fights erupt with
flying fists, knives and guns; fires are breaking out;
corpses litter the streets; and police and rescue
helicopters are repeatedly fired on.

"The plea from Mayor C. Ray Nagin came even as
National Guardsmen poured in to restore order and stop
the looting, carjackings and gunfire....

"Last night, Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco said 300
Iraq-hardened Arkansas National Guard members were
inside New Orleans with shoot-to-kill orders.

" 'These troops are...under my orders to restore order
in the streets,' she said. 'They have M-16s, and they
are locked and loaded. These troops know how to shoot
and kill and they are more than willing to do so if
necessary and I expect they will.' "

The reference to Iraq is eerie. The photo that
accompanies this article shows National Guard troops,
with rifles and armored vests, riding on an armored
vehicle through trash-strewn streets lined by a rabble
of squalid, listless people, one of whom appears to be
yelling at them. It looks exactly like a scene from
Sadr City in Baghdad.

What explains bands of thugs using a natural disaster
as an excuse for an orgy of looting, armed robbery,
and rape? What causes unruly mobs to storm the very
buses that have arrived to evacuate them, causing the
drivers to drive away, frightened for their lives?
What causes people to attack the doctors trying to
treat patients at the Super Dome?

Why are people responding to natural destruction by
causing further destruction? Why are they attacking
the people who are trying to help them?

My wife, Sherri, figured it out first, and she figured
it out on a sense-of-life level. While watching the
coverage last night on Fox News Channel, she told me
that she was getting a familiar feeling. She studied
architecture at the Illinois Institute of Chicago,
which is located in the South Side of Chicago just
blocks away from the Robert Taylor Homes, one of the
largest high-rise public housing projects in America.
"The projects," as they were known, were infamous for
uncontrollable crime and irremediable squalor. (They
have since, mercifully, been demolished.)

What Sherri was getting from last night's television
coverage was a whiff of the sense of life of "the
projects." Then the "crawl"--the informational phrases
flashed at the bottom of the screen on most news
channels--gave some vital statistics to confirm this
sense: 75% of the residents of New Orleans had already
evacuated before the hurricane, and of the 300,000 or
so who remained, a large number were from the city's
public housing projects. Jack Wakeland then gave me an
additional, crucial fact: early reports from CNN and
Fox indicated that the city had no plan for evacuating
all of the prisoners in the city's jails--so they just
let many of them loose. There is no doubt a
significant overlap between these two
populations--that is, a large number of people in the
jails used to live in the housing projects, and vice
versa.

There were many decent, innocent people trapped in New
Orleans when the deluge hit--but they were trapped
alongside large numbers of people from two groups:
criminals--and wards of the welfare state, people
selected, over decades, for their lack of initiative
and self-induced helplessness. The welfare wards were
a mass of sheep--on whom the incompetent
administration of New Orleans unleashed a pack of
wolves.

All of this is related, incidentally, to the apparent
incompetence of the city government, which failed to
plan for a total evacuation of the city, despite the
knowledge that this might be necessary. But in a city
corrupted by the welfare state, the job of city
officials is to ensure the flow of handouts to welfare
recipients and patronage to political supporters--not
to ensure a lawful, orderly evacuation in case of
emergency.

No one has really reported this story, as far as I can
tell. In fact, some are already actively distorting
it, blaming President Bush, for example, for failing
to personally ensure that the Mayor of New Orleans had
drafted an adequate evacuation plan. The worst example
is an execrable piece from the Toronto Globe and Mail,
by a supercilious Canadian who blames the chaos on
American "individualism." But the truth is precisely
the opposite: the chaos was caused by a system that
was the exact opposite of individualism.

What Hurricane Katrina exposed was the psychological
consequences of the welfare state. What we consider
"normal" behavior in an emergency is behavior that is
normal for people who have values and take the
responsibility to pursue and protect them. People with
values respond to a disaster by fighting against it
and doing whatever it takes to overcome the
difficulties they face. They don't sit around and
complain that the government hasn't taken care of
them. They don't use the chaos of a disaster as an
opportunity to prey on their fellow men.

But what about criminals and welfare parasites? Do
they worry about saving their houses and property?
They don't, because they don't own anything. Do they
worry about what is going to happen to their
businesses or how they are going to make a living?
They never worried about those things before. Do they
worry about crime and looting? But living off of
stolen wealth is a way of life for them.

The welfare state--and the brutish, uncivilized
mentality it sustains and encourages--is the man-made
disaster that explains the moral ugliness that has
swamped New Orleans. And that is the story that no one
is reporting.
 

greg334

Veteran Expediter
simon says

Don’t mean to yank your chain but you don’t know what you’re talking about.

First I never saw or remember anyone dancing in the streets when Nixon resigned. Even the stupid hippies (war protestors, Free love, etc..) I knew weren’t dancing about it but rather stunned by it. I remember one war protester, friend of the family that was even crying when this happened because Nixon met with him and other war protestors and was moved by the act that Nixon met with them. But that was the 70’s and today it is the new century.

I am not defending President Bush, but I find it really hard to listen to people who don’t have anything original to say but just repeat what is said on the news and on certain second rate, limited market networks i.e. Air America. Your post and some others are like a broken record and it does not help anyone who really needs help to keep the same rhetoric going about whose fault it is and try to continue build hatred against one person that does not have the power to spend a dime and can’t be responsible for others at different levels of the government.

What strikes me about your post is that you seem to think that it is the Federal government job to provide localized support for any disaster and I conclude that you never did anything in the way of working with any disaster relief agency to see how the system is supposed to work or pursued finding what the flaws are in the bigger picture of disaster relief for our country.

YES FEMA really made some mess of some of the post disaster work but I don’t think for a moment that there will not be changes made quickly to correct some of the mistakes. Not defending FEMA as I would normally, I find that some of what happened did happen because of the combination of Homeland Security and some of the arrogance of the new combined staff (you will do it our way or else attitude). Everyone wants security from terrorism and help in time of need from disasters but most don’t think that this all of this has a price. There is only so much the federal government can do and really only so much everyone should want them to do. Everyone (democrat and republican alike) thought FEMA being part of HLS would make it run smoother and there would be a ‘connection’ between agencies, but there were warnings about this right from the start that it was the wrong thing to do, mainly from the right. Now there is talk to remove all the legal constraints that prevented FEMAs involvement in New Orleans, the permission of the local officials to initiate FEMA contingency plans for localized disaster relief and request specific resources. This big step in removing the legal constraints will in effect be a start of limiting your rights on issues ranging from search and seizure rights to long term property rights, which is not a good thing.

The evacuation of anyone, except in time of war is not the job of the federal government, PERIOD. It is a job for the state and local officials, which is where the Mayor and Governor failed the people of Louisiana and should be held accountable. But because everyone has made this a political issue, not a human issue, because of this I must remind you that there are two senators from Louisiana, one democrat and one republican and they are also accountable for all the funding gaps and the not lessening the delay in relief effort, as is the Governor and Mayor and the other congress people of the state.

One problem in New Orleans is a problem that is not easily solved in todays political/court climate; this is not the 1950’s/60’s. I must stress that there is a problem of forcibly removing people before/during/after the event took place because they can’t just remove them without violating their “rights”, it is called a voluntary evacuation. This is because we live in a world where liabilities of actions are taken in account first before action is taken and with this mind set people die. No one in the Louisiana/New Orleans government would take the responsibility to issue any orders that would have forcibly evacuated or remove them from potential danger. IF the president issued an executive order in order for this to be done, (which would have had to take place to forcibly remove people even under the war powers act or what some claim as the insurgency act), the news media and the Democrats would have gone crazy, claimed it was like the FDR/Americans of Japanese origin internment during WW2 and demanded impeachment.

SNIPERVICTIM is still right? Right about what? He said something about “There is no-way that city will be open for anything but clean-up the next 16weeks”. The mayor announced that the city will be opening soon. Never underestimate the American people in times of disaster.
 
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