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Arabs got guns in New Jersey,,,u think! Isn't New Jersey run by the Pelosi crowd?
Note to newbies about guns in truck !
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U can bet ur sweet u know what the
Arabs got guns in New Jersey,,,u think! Isn't New Jersey run by the Pelosi crowd?
Tennesseahawk
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We had this debate a few years ago. No, you may not carry a concealed firearm in your truck. But you may carry a shotgun or rifle in your truck, as long as it is unloaded, and the ammo is stored in a different place. States can't do squat.
There's the 2nd Amendment... although watered down.
There's the 2nd Amendment... although watered down.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Whoa there t-hawk, your state has to have a reciprocating agreement with the state you travel in because of the way the system works. The state regulates the carry permits, not the ownership and it is and has been that way for a long long time. They can arrest you and take your truck, claiming it is a drug related or prostitution related matter (having the area's finest "worker" talk to you can get you into trouble). They have the power to say "you may have a weapon and a permit but because you are not from this state, we don't have to recognize that permit and we will take your weapon"
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
Concealed means different things in different places. In Nebraska, for example, if it's on your dash, it's definitely not concealed. If it's on the passenger seat, some cops will say it's concealed and some won't. And the law you cite in regard to shotguns and rifles applies to handguns, too, if you're transporting it from a place it's legal to another place it's legal, and it's separate from the ammunition. Aside from that, laws on guns in vehicles, commercial or otherwise, vary state-to-state.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
...and it also depends on if the law in any given state allows open carry, concealed without a permit (VT and AK), or some other permutation. If you can carry without the permit, then you need no permit.
I used to be an armed guard in section 8 housing complexes. We had hookers around all the time. We knew the friendlier ones. One asked another guard for a ride across town to keep an appointment--a business appointment. He looked over his shoulder at a police cruiser sitting there and tells her he doesn't think it would be a good idea. She says, "Wait here."
Sure enough, she runs across the street, talks to the cop, and comes running back and jumps in his car. "It's ok now. I got permission." So he takes her across town and comes back. Later, he's talking to that cop and the cop tells him he'd have definitely pulled him over had she not "gotten permission."
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
Woah there Greg, I heard this from a DOT cop. It has nothing to do with states. He said Massachusetts has nothing to say regarding their concealed laws, because the guns are not concealed. Sure they can arrest you for anything they want. But they could without the gun as well.
That's not a defense, it's a precaution - and as has been mentioned, violence can be sudden & totally unexpected, no matter how aware one is of the surroundings. Psychotic people look just like anyone, until they start shooting everyone in sight.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Well when you are in a situation where you have three feet and a split second to pull the weapon, then tell me that. I've seen it happen, there isn't much choice for you, or anyone who thinks it is that easy. Pretty much professionals who train and practice often still have difficulty with controlling there weapon.
Yes I do not want the trucking crowd to be armed, a lot of them are too stupid to even be on the road.
T-hawk,
I think the issue is that regardless what is driven, the state where you are at is the law you must follow.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
The is no DOT restriction on having a gun in your truck, and as has been pointed out you do so at the whim of each state you are in. There are 48 states that have some kind of permit for carrying a gun concealed, the only 2 that don't is Ill. and Wisc. Both of those states have people running for Gov that are pro carry and they are leading in their races...if they get elected and both states approve concealed carry, the thought is that it won't be long before a bill is brought up again fir the Fed gov to issue a National Permit to Carry Concealed..the last time it was brought up, it died because of those 2 states.....
Personally I think the whole "permit/ licence" to carry concealed is bs....I don't need the governments approval and them telling me what kind of "tool" i can use to defend myself....
Personally I think the whole "permit/ licence" to carry concealed is bs....I don't need the governments approval and them telling me what kind of "tool" i can use to defend myself....
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Chef,
It isn't the point of who has a permit law, it is about the reciprocating agreement or the recognition of permits between the states that matters. The DOT does not have a thing to do with it, it is a state issue and I would not want a national permit by any means for a lot of reasons.
12 states DO not honor or accept any other state's CCW permits. This means that if I had one and traveled to NJ while carrying, I would be in trouble.
It isn't the point of who has a permit law, it is about the reciprocating agreement or the recognition of permits between the states that matters. The DOT does not have a thing to do with it, it is a state issue and I would not want a national permit by any means for a lot of reasons.
12 states DO not honor or accept any other state's CCW permits. This means that if I had one and traveled to NJ while carrying, I would be in trouble.
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
I understand exactly what you were saying Greg. But IF or when there is a NATIONAL Permit, issued by the Fed gov...then there will be no need for states reciprocating agreements...and since it deals with a US Constitutional Right, some will say that it won't "step on states rights"....which is BS, but whats new...
There are many differing opinions concerning having a firearm in a commercial vehicle.
We all know that there are no federal regulations prohibiting firearms in CMV.
Some states allow, some don't and, since we cross state lines all of the time, firearms should not be in the truck. All of this is a moot point, however, if our carrier prohibits a firearm in a truck that is leased to them.
FedEx Custom Critical has a policy prohibiting firearms in a leased truck regardless of any governmental law or regulations.
Does the carrier to which you are leased allow or prohibit firearms in trucks leased to them?
We all know that there are no federal regulations prohibiting firearms in CMV.
Some states allow, some don't and, since we cross state lines all of the time, firearms should not be in the truck. All of this is a moot point, however, if our carrier prohibits a firearm in a truck that is leased to them.
FedEx Custom Critical has a policy prohibiting firearms in a leased truck regardless of any governmental law or regulations.
Does the carrier to which you are leased allow or prohibit firearms in trucks leased to them?
chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
Maybe those that carry CONCEALED..think thats why its called "Concealed"....if its "Concealed", no one knows...if it is done right...and there are some companies that don't have a policy on firearms one way or the other and then there are those you are going to carry no matter what and if anyone thinks that isn't happening, you are only fooling yourselves....
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chefdennis
Veteran Expediter
No one rides in my truck but me...their is no passenger seat, so i gues i won't be gettin one of those "escort' runs...
Oh, Hiya Jerry Lee!!
Oh, Hiya Jerry Lee!!
idtrans
Expert Expediter
My armed escort is my 8 pound dog LOL he can rip the deadliest ones !!! LMAO
But seriously if you have a armed guard that is a different story. I am talking about just having the gun "JUST INCASE" Honestly I am all for people owning and carrying guns ! But some people should not even look at a gun.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
And at the top of that list are the people who would deny to others the right to bear arms.
davidwillson
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greg334
Veteran Expediter
I think many of you need lessons on the history of the country and the Constitution.
As much as many of you think we need federalized things, like a federal carry permit, it all moves us one more step from what our Constitution is about to something that it never intended to be.
Do you want the feds involved with state level issues on this matter or do you want the states to decide?
Being a non-resident means a lot, you don't have rights as if you were in your own state, so why expect them?
The right to bear arms is not the issue here, it has ZERO to do with the real issue - your state is not restricting your rights as a resident of your state - WHICH MATTERS.
How do you want to see the Constitution supported?
Some don't get that there are 10 parts in the bill of rights, and the most important isn't always the first two, but the last one. You can't have just a few and ignore the others, but need to support the structure of the entire 10 parts to have it work right.
As much as many of you think we need federalized things, like a federal carry permit, it all moves us one more step from what our Constitution is about to something that it never intended to be.
Do you want the feds involved with state level issues on this matter or do you want the states to decide?
Being a non-resident means a lot, you don't have rights as if you were in your own state, so why expect them?
The right to bear arms is not the issue here, it has ZERO to do with the real issue - your state is not restricting your rights as a resident of your state - WHICH MATTERS.
How do you want to see the Constitution supported?
Some don't get that there are 10 parts in the bill of rights, and the most important isn't always the first two, but the last one. You can't have just a few and ignore the others, but need to support the structure of the entire 10 parts to have it work right.
AMonger
Veteran Expediter
The right to bear arms is most certainly not trumped by states' rights. The Bill of Rights places certain things above majority votes of the power of the states. No state may abridge freedom of the press, or speech, or religion, or to bear arms, or the right to a speedy, public trial, etc. Check out article 6, section II:
Clause 2: This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any State to the Contrary notwithstanding.
As far as CCWs and reciprocity, yes, the way things are interpreted and applied to this point, CCW reciprocity, or the lack thereof, interferes with our right to carry a gun. The Founding Fathers, though, memories of Lexington and Concord fresh in their minds, intentionally removed from the hands of government any say in who does or doesn't have a firearm. Fortunately, SCOTUS has been catching up, as the DC and Chicago rulings show.
Now all we have to do is get rid of the entire CCW permit entirely, and institute Vermont carry everywhere, so we can once again practice our unalienable individual, civil, Constitutional, and human right to obtain, own, and carry, openly or concealed, any weapon -- rifle, shotgun, handgun, machinegun, anything -- any time, any place, without asking anyone's permission.