No American Flag Can Fly over our Compound in..

chefdennis

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haiti.... yeap barry and his minions are so ashamed of our military, they won't let our military fly the US Flag over their compound in haiti....yet the french, the uk and the other countries have their flags flying....


Obama Orders Army NOT To Fly U.S. Flag in Haiti - Big Government

but now we learn that Barack Obama has told the U.S. relief forces in Haiti not to fly the U.S. flag over its own military compounds. He says that it will “send the wrong message.”


Tucson - Absence of U.S. flag in Haiti sparks controversy
The Obama administration says flying the flag could give Haiti the wrong idea.

"We are not here as an occupation force, but as an international partner committed to supporting the government of Haiti on the road to recovery," the U.S. government's Haiti Joint Information Center said in response to a query about the flag.


Flap flies in Haiti over U.S. flag absence - Navy News, news from Iraq - Navy Times
 

layoutshooter

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What else would you expect from someone who is both ashamed and hates this country? He is disgusting. Our flag should be flying high and proud!!! King Putz 1st needs to go and soon.
 

Turtle

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The people who are upset over this are in the distinct minority. It's not like we need to fly the flag to let people know we're there and who we are, are there in greater numbers than any foreign entity, or that the dollar amounts of our aid is more than everyone else. They know that already. Besides, if I'm not mistaken, everyone has an American flag on their shirtsleeve, anyway, and anyone approaching the American compound isn't going to confuse it with someone else's compound.

Whether or not a flag flies while under a humanitarian mission is inconsequential compared to whether or not they get the aid and assistance they need. Are we down there to actually help, or are we down there to toot our horn?

This isn't even newsworthy. It's certainly wacko-blog worthy, tho.

In any case, I'd much rather concentrate on Obama and the Dems in Congress, and how even in the face of overwhelming public opposition, they are still going to try and ram this Health Care Bill down our throats.
 

layoutshooter

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The people who are upset over this are in the distinct minority. It's not like we need to fly the flag to let people know we're there and who we are, are there in greater numbers than any foreign entity, or that the dollar amounts of our aid is more than everyone else. They know that already. Besides, if I'm not mistaken, everyone has an American flag on their shirtsleeve, anyway, and anyone approaching the American compound isn't going to confuse it with someone else's compound.

Whether or not a flag flies while under a humanitarian mission is inconsequential compared to whether or not they get the aid and assistance they need. Are we down there to actually help, or are we down there to toot our horn?

This isn't even newsworthy. It's certainly wacko-blog worthy, tho.

In any case, I'd much rather concentrate on Obama and the Dems in Congress, and how even in the face of overwhelming public opposition, they are still going to try and ram this Health Care Bill down our throats.

The health care mess is a much bigger problem for sure.

One the other subject, we should be tooting our horn. It is important that all involved know we are there. Too many times we have done work like this and the locals never knew we were there.

When safe to fly it, our troops should always fly our flag. It is an honor to serve under our flag. It should never be taken from those who serve. Of course, Obama never served, does not respect those that served, and has NO clue how important that symbol is to those serving overseas. It is a proud symbol of a good, decent, proud Nation and we should never be ashamed to fly it, high and LARGE!!

It was a wonderful feeling, when I was in Japan and England, to return to base and see "Old Glory" flying proud and high. I thank God I never served under a president who would deny me that feeling.
 

Poorboy

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Obumma is a Freakin Idiot, And I wouldn't Expect him to Ever do the Right Thing on Anything! The POS In Chief Has to go, and The Sooner the Better! :mad:
 

layoutshooter

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The commander over there should tell Obama where he can "get off" the train and fly 10 flags!! Maybe we should write our congressmen/women/its and request that they fly a US flag AND a flag from each State that is represented by a service member there.
 

Poorboy

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The commander over there should tell Obama where he can "get off" the train and fly 10 flags!! Maybe we should write our congressmen/women/its and request that they fly a US flag AND a flag from each State that is represented by a service member there.

With that Clown in the Whitehouse, It wouldn't make any difference, He wouldn't Rescind that order because It's what the People want and Not him and His Little Socialist Party! :mad:
 

layoutshooter

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With that Clown in the Whitehouse, It wouldn't make any difference, He wouldn't Rescind that order because It's what the People want and Not him and His Little Socialist Party! :mad:


All the more reason to fly them!! Kind like "shovin it up his nose"!!
That is a foolish order issued by a "person?" that has NO CLUE what it is to serve this Nation.

Millions have served under OUR FLAG for years. They served with dignity and honor. They served with pride. To serve under OUR FLAG is taking your place in the chain of wonderful men and women who came before and will come after you serve. It is a humble honor to serve under OUR FLAG. Only a FOOL would deny that honor to those who have more "stones" than he did!!!
 
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Turtle

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One the other subject, we should be tooting our horn. It is important that all involved know we are there. Too many times we have done work like this and the locals never knew we were there.
Clearly, you don't have a clue about what all is going on in Haiti. There is no question that they know who we are and that we're there. A bazillion Air Force cargo planes and Army helicopters and military personnel running around the country makes that evident enough that a blind man knows we're there. What prompted all this was the locals seeing the American Flag raised over the Haiti airport, as if we had taken it over in a military operation.

The US military is still the 800 pound gorilla with the really big stick, and seeing American military roaming around their homeland, with the American flag raised over their airport, can freak people out, particularly in light of the fact that we have a recent history of invading other countries without much cause. The American compound just happens to be, ta-da, at the airport. If it were located somewhere else, the flag would almost certainly be flying.

Wanting to fly the flag to make the soldiers feel good about themselves while they are performing humanitarian work, while at the same time creating fear amongst and scaring the bejezus out of the locals, isn't exactly the best way to give aid and comfort to a devastated people in dire need of aid and comfort. If American soldiers need an American flag to be waiving to feel honored to be down there helping people who need it, then they probably don't belong there in the first place.

The American Flag is a very in-your-face symbol of "This is ours!" and to have it flying anywhere other than the US Consulate is wholly inappropriate for a non-expeditionary force not occupying the country. Putting the flag on vehicles, buildings, and boxes of relief supplies, sure, not a problem, but flying the flag over Haitian soil like we own it smacks of arrogance and is de facto a claim of ownership.

I can see getting all bent out of shape if not flying the flag during these types of missions was new and unique, but it's not. It's their airport, and the American Flag has no business being flown over it.

This is not a military engagement. It's a nightmare down there trying to get people food, water and medicine, and what do people here at home have to worry about? Whether or not the US Flag is flying over the Haiti airport. Makes me sick. And everyone last one of you who have lost sight of what is important down there should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. Food, clean water, sanitation and medicine are all in short supply. So beat yer chest and whine about Obama and anything else that don't matter, if it makes you feel good. There are a million homeless living in muddy tent cities that are falling apart, and the rainy season is fast approaching. Slamming Obama is far, far more important. <snort>
 

letzrockexpress

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This isn't even newsworthy. It's certainly wacko-blog worthy, tho.

That's why it's here...

In any case, I'd much rather concentrate on Obama and the Dems in Congress, and how even in the face of overwhelming public opposition, they are still going to try and ram this Health Care Bill down our throats.

You would rather concentrate more on this issue because you have common sense, a trait that is not exactly galloping unbridled around here...
 

RLENT

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Only a FOOL would deny that honor to those who have more "stones" than he did!!!
And only an utter FOOL would ever confuse a symbol (like a flag) with the actual thing it is supposed to represent ....

To such folks, suffering in the state of confusion that they are, symbols are alot more important than the actual substance that the symbol is supposed to represent.

Like in this instance: the real thing to be proud of is the fact that we went and helped .... and not whether we managed to fly a hunk of cloth - our flag - over a piece of someone else's real estate.

If you want to take pride in something, the actual acts in service of others - and not whether some piece of cloth flew or not - are what truly merit the pride.

I'm quite sure that the majority of our Service personnel are very capable of understanding the difference - please try and see if you can make the distinction.

And quite frankly, one shouldn't care one wit whether anyone ever knows that we helped or not - simply because helping is the morally correct thing to do.
 
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RLENT

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It's a nightmare down there trying to get people food, water and medicine, and what do people here at home have to worry about? Whether or not the US Flag is flying over the Haiti airport. Makes me sick. And everyone last one of you who have lost sight of what is important down there should be thoroughly ashamed of yourselves. Food, clean water, sanitation and medicine are all in short supply. So beat yer chest and whine about Obama and anything else that don't matter, if it makes you feel good. There are a million homeless living in muddy tent cities that are falling apart, and the rainy season is fast approaching. Slamming Obama is far, far more important. <snort>
Yeah .... you literally couldn't make it up ..... un-freakin' believable ...... and totally freakin' clueless ..... :cool:
 

OntarioVanMan

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Whats the deal? America doesn't own the airport, it is just a base of relief operations and does not represent the US in any way...I gotta go with Turtle and Rlent...there is nothing wrong except a few have their priorities confused...
 

jujubeans

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I have to disagree..every country helping should fly their flag..as I look out in the night and see the flag flying at the nearest neighbor's house, it makes me proud.
 

OntarioVanMan

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I have to disagree..every country helping should fly their flag..as I look out in the night and see the flag flying at the nearest neighbor's house, it makes me proud.

Of course darling...but this is a foriegn country...where just maybe we did not ask permission? And it isn't Embassy land...we are just guests...it is not appropriate.
 

Poorboy

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Of course darling...but this is a foriegn country...where just maybe we did not ask permission? And it isn't Embassy land...we are just guests...it is not appropriate.

So are the "Other" Countries Guests, They Fly Their Flags! Why Not Our Country? I am sure that If we were Not Invited then we Wouldn't/Shouldn't be there! I say that If Haiti Doesn't want us there then we Should Take our Toys and Our Money and Go Home! :D
 

layoutshooter

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Of course darling...but this is a foriegn country...where just maybe we did not ask permission? And it isn't Embassy land...we are just guests...it is not appropriate.


Only those who never served would go along with this stupidity. 800 pound gorillia my hind leg. Don't tell me I don't have a clue. You don't have that right. YOU have an OPINION, nothing more. YOUR OPINION is no more valid than mine. I HAVE a clue. I have served in several capacities overseas, both official and otherwise. Military and relief efforts. That flag should FLY HIGH AND PROUD!! When it comes down to it, NO other country on this earth will put out the efforts for other than this one. PERIOD!

Our military should not even be there. It is NOT their job. Their job is to defend this nation. They are there as a GIFT from the people of this country and are doing a job that is not theirs to do. FLY IT HIGH!!

Don't like that attitude? TOUGH!! I am an old fashioned, flag waving proud of EVERYTHING I have done American. I make no bones about it and apologize to NO man for the RIGHT!! Don't ANYONE even TRY to diminish the efforts of my "brothers and sisters" They are EARNING the right to see that flag fly!! As did everyone of us who served with honor in the past as will those who serve in the future.

Obama, can just "kiss my grits"

Sorry, that should not have been quoted, I meant to hit reply
 
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