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OntarioVanMan

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The Monroe Doctrine...learned about that in public school history....described as the worst piece of Anti-British legislation passed in that time period. (Canada didn't exist yet as a country) Its intent on paper was called intrusive and offensive and threatened soveriegn rights of all the Americas'
How dare the Yanks infer that the Western hemishere is thier domain?
and yet there's an island in the St Lawrence river that is still owned and governed by France!! Seeing it's in this area the U. S would have to defend it by the Doctrine....ironic?
 
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tallcal101

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If they count on us being "dumb",as you point out,they have had their way the last 7.5 years with the dumbest President in the history of our nation.
Once sanity is restored to the White House and these moronic civilians who think they are military men are replaced by straight thinking Democrats who will allow the military to once again do their job,we will all be safer.

A very wise man once said you go to war becasue you have to not because you want to.Based on lies,idots pretending that they knew what they were doing have created more of a threat then ever before.Everything that Osama and his merry ment could have wished for they got in our lame President As Osama sits in his cave and makes plans for the future,our counrty is speaking loud and clear that the GOP no longer stands for anything but ignorant old men who have no plan and no clue.It's so inspirering to see the ground swell of emotion for our new President taking form and sweeping the nation.You and your ilk are nothing more then a small irritant at this point and will soon be nothing but a memeory of a very soiled time in our great Republics glorious history.

Go on tell yourselves how macho you are,and impress each other with your "intell'' BS.It's so amazing that in this day and age you have to resort to such banter to get your point across,but then we are the land of the free,and everybody gets to speak their mind,even if it's the same old rot we have been hearing from the right since day 1.
 

hdxpedx

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Code Pink Has Infiltrated Our Forum!! The Military Stands Up For American Victory/leadership REAGAN/BUSH!! Not Clinton-carter Don't Ask/don't Tell Meal On Wheels! Been There Done That!!Okinawa Japan 58-63 -Ft. Bragg NC 63-83!! MILITARY HATED CARTER AND DISPISED CLINTON!! I NEED ASPRIN-- PRESSURE'S UP!!
 

LDB

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replaced by straight thinking Democrats who will allow the military to once again do their job,we will all be safer.

I presume those are the same straight thinking democrats who did such a fine job with Vietnam. I didn't quote more because I couldn't force myself to. I presume you include half of your current dynamic duo in the idiots category since she voted for and supported going to war. We must remember what an excellent job the last Clinton did militarily. What a fine example and inspiring memory.

Hilama is so far from a military leader or example as to be not visible in the same universe. McCain is no prize as he is way too soft on terrorists and torture but he's at least not a total loss like Obamily.
 

tallcal101

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Code pink invasion?Sounds like we may have a little soldier boy with a small calibur gun but a BIG attitude.We have a neighborhood out here in in San Fran where you will be more then welcome. What is it that frieghtens you good fellows about actually having someone at the helm of our country that is not brain dead? I mean for Gods sake guys,have you not been hearing the bell in you brain ringing out loud that we have completly spun this country out of control under the watch of Mr Nobody at home and never was at home?Are you so steeped in your intoxicant of bent and surreal dreams of Nixonian burlesque that you have all but all given way to the wayward train wreck of this administration and can't see the GOP as a foolish nighmare that holds no promise for all but the most paranoid among us?
Armed and trigger happy fools who defend the loose worded gun laws that allow any one with a pulse to be able purchase weapons and kill our young people?

Yes,the message of change is striking at the heart strings of many Americans who have just about had enough and will take it to the ballot box.The whines of the defeated and out of step paranoid victims of the old guard will shriek and yell foul,and try to use venum and base insults in desparate attempts to justify their baseless and rediculous brand of affirmation of all things backwards and lethal. In the end,it's not enough,and some rocks will once again be crawled under for 4 to 8 years.
 

layoutshooter

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The presidents job IS forgien policy and Comander in Chief, NOT, internal affairs. That is mainly the job of the Congress. And as for the INTELL CRAP, you sorry so and so, you would most likely be dead, goose stepping, using chop sticks or be locked up in a Goolog if it were not for us DUMMIES!!! We fought WWIII for 48 years, we might have won that one, history has yet to determine that. THis war will be much harder. NOT ONE president has handled the middle east right since Carter messed it up. Reagan was only so-so. He turned tail and ran from Lebenon as soon as we got a little blooddy nose. Just as in WWIII(cold war) there are many theaters. Then is was Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia etc. Now it is Iraq, Iran etc. THey are not differnt wars. There is NO ONE running for pres this time that will be able to handle it right. Bunch of bums if you as me. Layoutshooter
 

LDB

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Well Cal, as a "trigger happy fool" we've gone through this before so I'm not going there again. I'll just continue to protect you and all the other sheeples and true fools who won't do it for themselves as best I can. With the foolish limitations imposed by the brilliant left it's very difficult and folks get killed far too often as evidenced by Columbine and all it's successors.

As for our current president, he's definitely not the best orator but he's certainly far from stupid. Ask anyone who flies fighter jets if stupid people can do that. Ask any Yale alumnus if stupid people can be that. He's an abject failure at securing the border and minimalizing criminal aliens. I'd go back 7 years and replace him in an instant if there were a choice that would have done that job correctly.

Why do I bother. I'll just pay for the next round of left koolaid instead. Sadly, more likely a prophecy than a commentary.
 

greg334

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You know I just don’t get it. I thought that people were smarter than they are but I am wrong again.

The First thing I got to say to you TallCal, I am not a republican, I am not a democrat. Neither party fits my beliefs as they are. Some call me a libertarian but I am by real definition a classical liberal – one who is like a libertarian but also something slightly slanted to a conservative.

So with that said, I do believe that the problem we have is that Obama is not the right person for the country, but neither is Hillary or McCain. There is no right person but there also is no such thing as a qualified person – since we had Carter in office.

The problem starts with the primary election or as many of us call it a non-election election. With all this hype and BS, we get the voters setup to fail we force them to decide the winner long before it happens. It was not like this until 1968 and should not be like this now. At no time does this present process allow real issues to be placed forefront with the candidates or allow the people to really get a glimpse of the candidate’s actions.

It is all about the hype and mass marketing from November of 2007 on.

Now Obama has handlers, no doubt that they come from the Soros camp of politics. I think that they have come up with a great marketing campaign for a non-starter of a candidate and used mass psychology to bring about a momentum that has not been seen in 30 years. It amazes me that people actually fall for his ‘change’ rhetoric and many more, who I thought would see through his BS would understand what he is all about.

Now Hillary just p*ssed in Soro’s wheaties so if she gets the nomination, it will be a slim chance that she will gain a lot of the respect she needs to pull it off during the election. She has faultier not because of her rhetoric but because of her lack of focus that Obama has been able to establish. I won’t count her out until she says “I’m out” because you never know with her, she might do something really rash to get rid of Obama.

Well call me dumb but I look at it this way, either we will end up with McCain in the WH, which will be a disaster because of his indecisiveness OR we will end up with Hillary the Fascist or Obama the Leninist. Either way we better be ready for a horrible two years and get ready to vote in 2010 on new representatives and Senators.

Oh by the way, everyone registered to Vote?

Have you ordered your absentee ballot yet?
 

tallcal101

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Leo,I don't need you to protect me,but thanks for offereing.It's our current gun laws that need a complete overhaul so that those who have a history of clinicaly diagnosed mental problems can no longer stop by the local 7-11 gun shop and pick up a slurpy and a fully automatic weapon of mass destruction (such as happened 2 weeks ago).It's bad news Leo,and you know it.You hide behind this cloak of strenth and wisdom about gun ownership as the blood bath continues.It's really getting old to hear your opinion.But I feel it's my duty to educate you and others who share your feelings and judgement to wake up and pay attention to where our lax gun laws and gun lobby money have led us.You want to go shoot wild things Leo,have it brother.You want blow away the bad guys,well,most statistics don't fall in your favor.I've never fired a gun,been around people who keep them and never will.I lock my friggin doors Leo and have secure locks.Maybe where you live the bad guys are hiding in the dark and you will get them before they get you.A hell of a way to live your life is all I can say.

How do any of you know what kind of a President any of the canidates will make? I admit,it looks like The Straight Talk Express may have a zipper problem,which is not a good thing,but other then that he seems like a hero type who has some humanity.
As for Hiillary or Obama,they can only be given a chance. For Christs sake,we gave numb nuts a chance even when we new he was a draft dodger(jet pilot,give me e break)He was a C student cheerleader at Yale who's daddy hooked him up with the Bama national guard,he never went anyway.He was a drunk and a doper.Money bought that President,lots of good old GOP Enron money(Kenny Boy) and don't forget Osamas uncle Mr. Saud.

We need to turn away from the darkness of these fools,can't you see that?They have sold us down the river and we are so much weaker for it.Our enemies are real,but they laugh at the foolishness of our way of life for putting such a clown in the role of leader of the free world.I for one am tired of being laughed at,screwed at the pump and an economy in shambles as a result of the W and his boys.Tax breaks for the rich on the backs of the worker bees. You should all be ashamed you ever voted for him and his posse.Ashamed and pi**ed off and ready to vote them all out.

I need to come around more,I've been busy trying to keep moving vans full,pretty tough when people can't sell their homes.
 
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arkjarhead

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I'm sorry you may disagree with me, but the man I think that would be a good choice for President isn't running. He spent many years in the military. He advised the first Bush not to go into Bagdad and tried to get the second one not to. He also told the second Bush he was invading with to small of a force. He also spent time as Sec. of State. He my friends is Mr. Colin Powell. He was running he would have my support. The only problem is he refuses to.
 

greg334

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Leo,I don't need you to protect me,but thanks for offereing.It's our current gun laws that need a complete overhaul so that those who have a history of clinicaly diagnosed mental problems can no longer stop by the local 7-11 gun shop and pick up a slurpy and a fully automatic weapon of mass destruction (such as happened 2 weeks ago).It's bad news Leo,and you know it.You hide behind this cloak of strenth and wisdom about gun ownership as the blood bath continues.It's really getting old to hear your opinion.But I feel it's my duty to educate you and others who share your feelings and judgement to wake up and pay attention to where our lax gun laws and gun lobby money have led us.You want to go shoot wild things Leo,have it brother.You want blow away the bad guys,well,most statistics don't fall in your favor.I've never fired a gun,been around people who keep them and never will.I lock my friggin doors Leo and have secure locks.Maybe where you live the bad guys are hiding in the dark and you will get them before they get you.A hell of a way to live your life is all I can say.
Well I am not leo but I don’t know about this Tallcal what happened 2 weeks ago with an automatic weapon?

I may have missed it with the Obamania going on in this country and the nausium of people talking about the second coming of JFK.

If you have been in Africa, you know d*mn well that the only real way to protect people from dictatorship and mass murder is having armed citizens in the country. You know d*mn well that we have a cultural problem that goes way beyond the ‘local 7-11 gun shop’ mentality and into the problems of victimism and ‘not ask what you can do for your country but what you can take from the working people and keep for yourself’ mentality.

You know what really bothers me, maybe I held this in for a while, but it really bothers me to hear about a shooting and then the person who caused it was on anti-depressants – like this last ‘nice’ guy in Illinois. You know about mind altering drugs, what is so hard to understand the problem is not the gun, it is the drug. It is the politicians who have created this situation; they are not the one’s who can find solutions. The solution for the anti-depressant issues is simple; prevent MD’s from prescribing them for every ailment that comes along and stop this stupid policy to that allows the drug companies to advertise. These are the very drug companies that are CLOSE FRIENDS OF THE DEMOCRATS MORE THAN REPUBLICANS, the very drug companies that make BILLIONS.

How do any of you know what kind of a President any of the canidates will make? I admit,it looks like The Straight Talk Express may have a zipper problem,which is not a good thing,but other then that he seems like a hero type who has some humanity.
As for Hiillary or Obama,they can only be given a chance. For Christs sake,we gave numb nuts a chance even when we new he was a draft dodger(jet pilot,give me e break)He was a C student cheerleader at Yale who's daddy hooked him up with the Bama national guard,he never went anyway.He was a drunk and a doper.Money bought that President,lots of good old GOP Enron money(Kenny Boy) and don't forget Osamas uncle Mr. Saud.
Yea yea yea Tallcal, who cars about the national guard issue, who cares about if someone fought in Vietnam – that is in the past, it has no bearing on leadership qualities or integrity when you come down to it, we got to shed this need to compare Vietnam in every political race, until we do, we can’t move forward.

We need to turn away from the darkness of these fools,can't you see that?They have sold us down the river and we are so much weaker for it.Our enemies are real,but they laugh at the foolishness of our way of life for putting such a clown in the role of leader of the free world.
God, I agree with you if you mean the main stream political machine, which includes Obama, Hillary and all the rest. To do this, do you ask if people are registered to Vote, if they read what is going on or anything like that? I hope. But I got to tell you something that you may not realize, we really don’t have a clown in the WH like you think in comparison. I mean Chirac was an idiot, so was John Major and if you reach into the past, de Gaulle and Mitterrand were also, to mention a few. I think if you look at the world stage, you can find a lot of clowns in many nations past and present.

I for one am tired of being laughed at,screwed at the pump and an economy in shambles as a result of the W and his boys.Tax breaks for the rich on the backs of the worker bees. You should all be ashamed you ever voted for him and his posse.Ashamed and pi**ed off and ready to vote them all out.
Who is laughing? I think everyone is in fear of what is going on and still looks at the US as the world’s police. I know one thing, I listened to the Beeb today and they seemed to be thankful that we didn’t have a dem in office with the ‘Mortgage Crisis’ because they see what is going on, noting that the fed is trying. This is the Brits saying that they are glad that Bush is in office. Germany, if you didn’t know is hoping on McCain because of the massive investment that they have here and the German banks are already incurring losses with the investments they made in Fannie May and Freddie Mac – maybe it is time for someone to get into the WH and start eliminating the FDR programs that outlived their usefulness?

Ah… tax breaks for the rich BS. Please stop with the party line, you earned your merit badge already for that one. Look read this carefully – the real winners were not the rich but the lower class who saw a rate drop from 15 to 10% and the number of brackets drop too. I benefited a lot by the tax breaks, I bet a lot of other did and the last time I looked I was not rich, even by Clinton standards.

But this brings up a very good question for you to answer if I didn’t p*ss you off too much. Today I was discussing the good and bad about the Fair Tax, I was floored by the comment made by a liberal who said that “this should be embraced by the democratic party because this would solve the problems of many poor people”. So with that comment, I am wondering what do you think? Would it be a good thing or a bad thing and if you don’t mind, why? You can PM me if you like with the answer.
 

LDB

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Well I am not leo but I don’t know about this Tallcal what happened 2 weeks ago with an automatic weapon?

Greg, nothing happened with an automatic weapon. That's the automatic response from the hysterical left whenever guns are mentioned. They're all either assault weapons or automatic weapons. In some cases it's ignorance and in most cases it's the left's usual policy of fear mongering.
 

Pilgrim

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Time after time I read these liberal rants in newspapers and on websites, hear them on TV and radio, and listen to them from my wife of 35 years (a true bleeding-heart liberal sixties flower child), and the foundation for their argument is always the same: emotions. Documented facts are hardly ever brought into the discussion to support their assertions. Name-calling and mockery is always the standard attack. Our enemies are always justified in their actions because of percieved wrongdoings by the ugly American. It's simply a mindset based on a philosophy of life that is perhaps naive and idealistic, but at the same time sincere. These are the people that truly believe that Barak Hussein Obama is the real deal and can "save our country". I only skimmed the "Liberty Mind" article posted earlier by Turtle since it's pretty long, but I intend to go back and digest the whole thing. It appears to give an excellent insight into the philosophy of Liberalism.

That said, I am not going to sit back any more and let these nonsensical liberal assertions go unchallenged:

* "...dumbest President in the history of our nation". More silly name-calling. Bush has an undergraduate degree from Yale and an MBA from Harvard. His GPA at Yale was higher than that of John Kerry, his most recent political opponent. Granted, I don't agree with some of his decisions and he's not an eloquent speaker - but let's elevate the argument beyond the "dumb" business.

* "...draft dodger...". etc. Nonsense - it has been documented repeatedly that he served all his required time in the Air National Guard, and he was a pilot. So what if he didn't see combat in Viet Nam? Lots of people joined the Reserves and Guard in the'60s and 70's and put in their six years of service or more. Compare this with Slick Willie's attitude toward the military during his college years.

* "...economy in shambles..." Pure fiction. The past 7.5 years have yielded high growth and employment figures at record levels. No need to explain this - look it up on any number of non-political economic websites. Even now as the economy slows we're at traditional full employment levels. You want shambles - take a look at the late 1970s under the Carter administration.

* "...tax breaks for the rich on the backs of the worker bees..." Absolutely a false assertion that's easy to shoot down. Check out the IRS website - 86% of all income taxes are paid by the top 25% of wage earners.

Cal, I know these came out of your posts, but I'm using them as typical arguments I always hear from liberal friends, family, etc. It's my intention to counter the ideas and assertions, and at the same time not be personal. It's an open forum and different opinions and arguments are what make it interesting.
 

LDB

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Pilgrim, facts and truth? Puhleeeeeeze, what do those have to do with anything? Exaggerations and fabrications are so much more esthetically appealing, don't you know?
 

Turtle

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I just want to know when it was that an automatic weapon became reclassified as a Weapon of Mass Destruction. Was I sick that day? Did I miss the memo?

In any case, I'm not sure what guns laws we're talking about that need an overhaul. the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
Seems pretty clear to me...

What I find the most ironic about liberals is the thoroughly hypocritical views with regard to gun control and terrorism. In gun control, they want to prevent someone from having a gun in the first place, in order to prevent something bad that might happen, and with terrorists, they want to let them do whatever it is they want to do and then let the police handle it afterwards, rather than prevent them from doing bad in the first place.
 

LDB

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Turtle, common sense and logic? Puhleeeeeeze, what do those have to do with liberal thinking? You've obviously been drinking from the same koolaid as Pilgrim. And now back to our regularly scheduled liberal hysteria and rationalizing.
 

greg334

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You know, I got to say this.

I got to the point that it is great to 'debate' liberals and ignorant people (most here don't follow into that category), it makes my day most of the time because they can't come up with concrete reasoning a lot of the time but become emotional there are four truths that we need to really promote.

1 - We are not a democracy, we are a republic and will always be one. It is a selling point for socialism.

2 - The right to vote for a president is not 'granted' to us. We have no right to vote - it is a state's right to govern, not the federal government's. But with that said, we must understand that senators were appointed for a reason by the states and that we are supposed to be representative by our representatives and it is both Senators and representatives who we need to focus on.

3 - The Constitution does not grant us any rights, it does not say that we are granted rights or indicate that there are rights granted - just the opposite. The constitution is there to limit the federal government on what the federal can and can't do, not us. It says that the federal government can do this stuff and nothing else, 10th amendment is clear on this issue.

4 - We have too many ignorant people, it don't matter if they are right, left, socialist, communist, fascist or alien, I think that they don't get it and read into the propaganda that we are a democracy, we have the right to vote and our rights are limited by the constitution. They want the government to take care of them, they want to control others and this was all produced by 110 years of socialist propaganda produced for class warfare.

Until we get the fundamentals about how our government really works, until we get our s**t together and force changes in our government, we will always be in danger of another attack.
 
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