Greg, a guess on the question. Could it be an expediter on day 3 of waiting for a load during the 1st quarter?
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Greg, what I am saying is not that the HOS rules are exhaustive in their review of all sleep deprivation studies, but rather that their conclusion that a certain number of hours of sleep are needed for proper rejuvenation is persuasive. However, this conclusion does not mean that a driver is going to get that needed rest during a required rest period.
In other words, I think we can all agree that most people will function better with an uninterrupted eight hour period of sleep, but the question then is what is the best way of getting a driver to get that eight hours of sleep, and I think that merely forcing him to park his truck for eight hours is a terrible way of trying to get him to sleep. A much better way would be to design the rules so that he can stop and sleep for eight hours WHEN HE IS TIRED, whenever that may occur. Writing rules like this would be difficult and maybe impossible, but if the purpose of HOS rules is to prevent tired drivers, YOU MUST provide an incentive for them to rest WHEN THEY ARE TIRED.
Sorry if I am repeating myself.
In other words, I think we can all agree that most people will function better with an uninterrupted eight hour period of sleep, but the question then is what is the best way of getting a driver to get that eight hours of sleep, and I think that merely forcing him to park his truck for eight hours is a terrible way of trying to get him to sleep. A much better way would be to design the rules so that he can stop and sleep for eight hours WHEN HE IS TIRED, whenever that may occur. Writing rules like this would be difficult and maybe impossible, but if the purpose of HOS rules is to prevent tired drivers, YOU MUST provide an incentive for them to rest WHEN THEY ARE TIRED.
Sorry if I am repeating myself.
Frisco Mike;
We are all assuming that it is indeed true that the Crete Carrier driver had violated the HOS rules prior to this accident. This info was provided by an NTSB worker who may, or may not have, all the information necessary to issue such a statement. This case will be investigated for some time to come.
After working for Crete Carrier I find it hard to believe that the driver would have blatantly violated the hours of service regulations. The reason I mention this is that Crete has been one of the safest carriers and best run carriers. Crete has won many awards in the past for their performance. There are a number of safety type checks on each load to ensure compliance.
Crete is one of the toughest companies for a driver to hire onto. Out of all the driver applications that recruiters submit to Crete only about 4% are approved. You must definitely be a "cream of the crop" driver to drive for Crete. Their hiring standards are the toughest in the industry.
Crete also operates a top shelf safety department. Surely compliance with the HOS regulations are a top priority to this trucking company's safety department.
No one, at this point, should assume that this driver violated the HOS, or that any violation of the HOS was the direct cause of this accident. Only a thorough investigation will yield the true cause of this unfortunate accident.
I feel not only for the family of the accident victims, but also the folks at Crete.
John Mueller, CDS
Certified Director of Safety
aka "HotFr8Recruiter"
We are all assuming that it is indeed true that the Crete Carrier driver had violated the HOS rules prior to this accident. This info was provided by an NTSB worker who may, or may not have, all the information necessary to issue such a statement. This case will be investigated for some time to come.
After working for Crete Carrier I find it hard to believe that the driver would have blatantly violated the hours of service regulations. The reason I mention this is that Crete has been one of the safest carriers and best run carriers. Crete has won many awards in the past for their performance. There are a number of safety type checks on each load to ensure compliance.
Crete is one of the toughest companies for a driver to hire onto. Out of all the driver applications that recruiters submit to Crete only about 4% are approved. You must definitely be a "cream of the crop" driver to drive for Crete. Their hiring standards are the toughest in the industry.
Crete also operates a top shelf safety department. Surely compliance with the HOS regulations are a top priority to this trucking company's safety department.
No one, at this point, should assume that this driver violated the HOS, or that any violation of the HOS was the direct cause of this accident. Only a thorough investigation will yield the true cause of this unfortunate accident.
I feel not only for the family of the accident victims, but also the folks at Crete.
John Mueller, CDS
Certified Director of Safety
aka "HotFr8Recruiter"
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Actually, I am assuming that he was not in violation of the HOS rules but was still too tired to be behind the wheel. That's the problem, you can be in compliance and be totally unsafe. I am all but certain that the investigation will determine that there was no violation of the HOS rules and that he still had not slept much in the two days leading up to the crash. The conclusion that should be drawn from this accident is that that the current HOS rules do not actually achieve the goal of reducing the number of tired truck drivers on the road, which is something that most truck drivers already know.
The media just wants to tell a tired truck driver story, which is frustrating, because the real story is the explanation of how a guy can be in compliance with the HOS rules and still not have slept in two days.
The media just wants to tell a tired truck driver story, which is frustrating, because the real story is the explanation of how a guy can be in compliance with the HOS rules and still not have slept in two days.
>The media just wants to tell a tired truck driver story,
>which is frustrating, because the real story is the
>explanation of how a guy can be in compliance with the HOS
>rules and still not have slept in two days.
Very true. I can't help but wonder how many reporters have been conditioned, perhaps subconsiously, to a negative bias toward trucking by the cowboy big-rig drivers that tailgate four-wheelers within inches and seemingly enjoy pushing four-wheelers down the road. Since becoming a trucker, I've heard from more than one four-wheeler driver about the fear they experience when a big rig rides their tail. That memory does not quickly fade. If it's a reporter being pushed down the road, it's a memory that may negatively color the trucking story he or she writes years later. The same applies to members of a jury that sit in on a truck/car accident case.
>which is frustrating, because the real story is the
>explanation of how a guy can be in compliance with the HOS
>rules and still not have slept in two days.
Very true. I can't help but wonder how many reporters have been conditioned, perhaps subconsiously, to a negative bias toward trucking by the cowboy big-rig drivers that tailgate four-wheelers within inches and seemingly enjoy pushing four-wheelers down the road. Since becoming a trucker, I've heard from more than one four-wheeler driver about the fear they experience when a big rig rides their tail. That memory does not quickly fade. If it's a reporter being pushed down the road, it's a memory that may negatively color the trucking story he or she writes years later. The same applies to members of a jury that sit in on a truck/car accident case.
The HOS rules on sleep time would be sensible & effective IF human beings could sleep on command. I can't, & don't know anyone who can, either. FriscoMike is correct: drivers need to be able to sleep when thier body says to, not when the regulations dictate sleep!
The driver was thrown to the wolves within 3 hours of the initial crash by the company. (covering themselves)
No one has mentioned how the driver of the Crete truck got his CDL with 2 felonies on his record one for harboring a known murderer in his house?
I thought you couldnt get a CDL with a felony conviction? or a driving job?
Oh well
Dukesadog
No one has mentioned how the driver of the Crete truck got his CDL with 2 felonies on his record one for harboring a known murderer in his house?
I thought you couldnt get a CDL with a felony conviction? or a driving job?
Oh well
Dukesadog
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I might be a little new to this whole industry, but I figured out a long time ago, what is safe and what is contrary.
When we (T-Hawk and I) run, we stick to the HOS as closely as possible. With that being said, this new HOS crap is mind-boggling. And that's putting it mildly. I still don't totally understand what it is that I'm supposed to be driving. Even after talking to our safety manager, I'm still confused.
It's all kinda like fitting a square peg into a triangle hole.
When we (T-Hawk and I) run, we stick to the HOS as closely as possible. With that being said, this new HOS crap is mind-boggling. And that's putting it mildly. I still don't totally understand what it is that I'm supposed to be driving. Even after talking to our safety manager, I'm still confused.
It's all kinda like fitting a square peg into a triangle hole.