New sign on with Panther in a CV 70 cents a mile

FLWildman

Active Expediter
Who can actually go out buy a newer van sign on to Panther and get 70 cents a mile? Most ads Panther has says CV a buck a mile with FSC. Its not...new O/O in a CV are getting 70 - 72 cents a mile. With a 11 - 24 cents FSC.How is that close to a buck? What happened to 77 cents a mile?
The web login...if you pull up the map you get to click on the star and see what? Nothing but the city.You have to call driver relations and ask how many units are in a certain area.Other carriers it comes up on their portal on many units are there on that board.CV's straights and T/T's. Its like you have to call in to driver relations and they will tell you where to relocate.Are we not contractors? We cant go where we wanna go? Sure you get a little jingle to relocate.....Oh no you moved more than 7/10 of a mile you just screwed up your idle time....that is just petty BS. At Panther you have to ask for everything...Its like a dirty little secret.
 

Newtothis

Seasoned Expediter
If your already a driver and in a van the Macro 8 on the QC will give you a 300 mile radius. As of last count Panther told me there is 386 vans on lease total already. I'm on an older contract at 77 cents plus FSC.
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Most ads Panther has says CV a buck a mile with FSC. Its not...new O/O in a CV are getting 70 - 72 cents a mile.
In Panther's defense it probably is pretty close to the truth if you factor in f.s.c., hazmat and Canada.

With a 11 - 24 cents FSC.How is that close to a buck? What happened to 77 cents a mile?

If you are a recent sign-on I believe you are on the structured f.s.c. which is .25 this week for cargo vans, so you are .95/mile which isn't a buck, but in the neighborhood.

The web login...if you pull up the map you get to click on the star and see what? Nothing but the city.You have to call driver relations and ask how many units are in a certain area.
I agree this is a problem and macro 8 isn't real time accurate. This is where personal observation, experience and dumb luck come into play.

Oh no you moved more than 7/10 of a mile you just screwed up your idle time....that is just petty BS.

Sure it is, now figure a way to deal with it.

At Panther you have to ask for everything...Its like a dirty little secret.
Well, it was a secret until you blabbed about it on an internet forum. Now every dirtball van operator will be asking for a bonus, layover pay, corrected mileage and motel expenses, thanks a lot big mouth!
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
In Panther's defense it probably is pretty close to the truth if you factor in f.s.c., hazmat and Canada.



If you are a recent sign-on I believe you are on the structured f.s.c. which is .25 this week for cargo vans, so you are .95/mile which isn't a buck, but in the neighborhood.


I agree this is a problem and macro 8 isn't real time accurate. This is where personal observation, experience and dumb luck come into play.



Sure it is, now figure a way to deal with it.


Well, it was a secret until you blabbed about it on an internet forum. Now every dirtball van operator will be asking for a bonus, layover pay, corrected mileage and motel expenses, thanks a lot big mouth!

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
If you come on with Panther with no CDL, no HAZMAT. no Canada - in other words, nothing to offer, then you're gonna come on at the bargain basement price of 70 cents a mile (tho, I think it's 72, actually). If you have a CDL with a HAZMAT endorsement, and you go to Canada, you will be paid more, either 75 or 77, I'm not sure which. Add in FSC and it's a buck a mile. Every time you cross the border loaded its $90 a pop.

You can use macro 8 and (I think) macro 32, you can go online and see your board position and average loads out of your area, you don't have to ask Panther for anything, especially when and where to move. Contrary to the way Panther treats you, you are, in fact, an independent contractor and an adult. You can move when and where you want to. Yes, moving starts your clock, but since you know that before you move, make your independent contractor adult decision accordingly.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
You can move when and where you want to. Yes, moving starts your clock, but since you know that before you move, make your independent contractor adult decision accordingly.

The very idea of such a clock relative to a van is ludicrous to the point of being obscene. If you aren't an adult (not YOU-you, a general you) and therefore need one, the idea of it starting before 25 miles is ridiculous.
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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.
 

quickpickup1

Seasoned Expediter
I was with Panther expedite from 06-11 and what I did when they implemented the 16 hr rule was added a toggle switch and just shut off the qc.you can also just unplug it or pull out the fuse also.(under the driver seat on a chevy)Keep in mind that you are only cheating yourself out of rest if they call you up with a 1200 mile load with time for a break.They usually expect you to do 16 hrs then 5hr break otherwise be rdy for a swap.I usually only did this when I had no other choice and had to do something that couldnt wait.Also if they find out your doing this your contract is voided.
 

geo

Veteran Expediter
Charter Member
Retired Expediter
US Navy
for .70 or .95 mile i wouldn't get out of bed for that per mile
glad i drive for ceva we do all right
 

Mike99

Veteran Expediter
Before was 85 cents per mile plus FSC. After that 77 cents plus FSC,now 70....What is gonna be in 2014? 65cents per mile? Four months ago Panther had a $1000 bonus for cargo vans. They said that have some 'new' contracts and they need vans. I don't what happened but I don't see any new customers, I just see more vans and less freights...17 vans in Atlanta for example. To many vans . Panther is the only broker who has a 100% open gates policy....No CDl,no experience, no cargo van standard. They are the Walmart of expediting....
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The very idea of such a clock relative to a van is ludicrous to the point of being obscene. If you aren't an adult (not YOU-you, a general you) and therefore need one, the idea of it starting before 25 miles is ridiculous.
It's ridiculous and ludicrous if you are independent to the point of having your own authority and insurance, but if you are running under someone else's authority and insurance and they are legally and financially liable for your actions, they have a right to have a say-so in those actions if they can be harmed by those actions. They don't want you parking for long hours at Chix on Dix or some roadside adult video place with their logos on your truck, either.

The simple fact is, there was more than once incident where van drivers drove a considerable number of hours, more than 16 without a verifiable break, and got into accidents, causing injury and fatality, and Panther's deep pockets bore the brunt of that litigation. A carrier cannot force or allow one of their vehicles under their authority and insurance to operate in a dangerous situation. If you're on a load, half way to the consignee, and you're on the phone with dispatch and during the recorded conversation you state that you are tired, if they let you continue on any further, and you have a wreck, they are the ones liable for allowing that to happen, regardless of how adult you are, and they'll be the ones to pay for your adult actions. You can be all the adult you want to, but it's the adult with deep pockets that's gonna be sued. Panther's 16 hour clock is a logical rule, and it makes sense. Put yourself in Panther's position and you'd do the same thing.
 

Newtothis

Seasoned Expediter
Speaking of Chix on Dix, Last week on the Ft. Wayne board while I was sitting taking my 5 hour, (well 2 1/2 day break) at a Pilot, I noticed one of my fellow Panthers come off the interstate and head across the highway to the ADULT store, it was a team (man and woman) they parked right front and center of the front door and clear visual from highway in broad daylight like a billboard.
I was annoyed that this was likely the team on my board I snapped a pic with my phone, all for really no reason once I thought about it.
Just doesn't look good for the company or other drivers to have others be so unprofessional! Pre pack and plan on your personal time if you need smut to coexist.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
There's nothing wrong with smut. It's just not a good idea to link your carrier to it.

As for Chix on Dix, there's a really funny joke about dyslexia in there somewhere, but I just haven't figured it out yet.
 

Newtothis

Seasoned Expediter
There's nothing wrong with smut. It's just not a good idea to link your carrier to it.

As for Chix on Dix, there's a really funny joke about dyslexia in there somewhere, but I just haven't figured it out yet.

I agree nothing's wrong with smut however there is a time and place for it without making a joke out of our business. They were not delivering there unless they had something in their pocket...
Well never mind I'll just leave it at that!
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
With every contract there is an implied covenant between both parties whereby they agree not to damage the reputation and goodwill value of the other. Parking your lettered truck or van next to a smut shop is not the way to uphold your end of that contract.
 

AMonger

Veteran Expediter
It's ridiculous and ludicrous if you are independent to the point of having your own authority and insurance, but if you are running under someone else's authority and insurance and they are legally and financially liable for your actions, they have a right to have a say-so in those actions if they can be harmed by those actions. They don't want you parking for long hours at Chix on Dix or some roadside adult video place with their logos on your truck, either.

The simple fact is, there was more than once incident where van drivers drove a considerable number of hours, more than 16 without a verifiable break, and got into accidents, causing injury and fatality, and Panther's deep pockets bore the brunt of that litigation. A carrier cannot force or allow one of their vehicles under their authority and insurance to operate in a dangerous situation. If you're on a load, half way to the consignee, and you're on the phone with dispatch and during the recorded conversation you state that you are tired, if they let you continue on any further, and you have a wreck, they are the ones liable for allowing that to happen, regardless of how adult you are, and they'll be the ones to pay for your adult actions. You can be all the adult you want to, but it's the adult with deep pockets that's gonna be sued. Panther's 16 hour clock is a logical rule, and it makes sense. Put yourself in Panther's position and you'd do the same thing.

I have no complaint with not letting a tired driver continue. If you need to stop for a nap, then that's what you have to do. But we all know that transit times are figured on 47mph in Seville, and that it's known that you're not really driving 47 but closer to 67, and this allows you to lay down when you need it. The drivers that didn't do that were dullards, and the idea is to not take them on in the first place and eliminate the ones who slip through the cracks.

If you're not awake enough to do a 1200-miler, don't do it. Tell the carrier up front and either give it to someone who can or have it switched. Everybody knows Panther is putting a van on every streetcorner in America, and the next van will appreciate the business. I'm sure Panther can work ETAs on their end, anyway, add 2-3 hours onto long runs, quote that ETA. Between that and the time you build up by getting ahead of the projected speed, a nap is already built in, and they sure don't need to have a clock that begins if you move .7 of a mile as if you're in a big truck.



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You know the problem with bad cops? They make the other 5% look bad.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Wow. You really should call Panther and impart your wisdom, because they're never thought of any of that stuff.

I have no complaint with not letting a tired driver continue. If you need to stop for a nap, then that's what you have to do. But we all know that transit times are figured on 47mph in Seville, and that it's known that you're not really driving 47 but closer to 67, and this allows you to lay down when you need it.
Actually, it only allows you to lay down when you need it in certain circumstances. If you need to take your break 13 or 14 hours into the trip, fine. But if you need your break 8 hours into a 16 hour run, and you don't at that point already have at least 5 hours built up on the 47 MPH clock, then you don't have the time to take a 5 hour break. They know you're driving faster than 47 MPH, but they will only go by the 47. They've been burned too many times by people who didn't have 5 hours built up, where the drivers said something like, "I'll have plenty of time to make it up later in the trip," and then they don't make it up, and deliver late, either because of traffic, mechanical problems, or they simply overslept.

The drivers that didn't do that were dullards, and the idea is to not take them on in the first place and eliminate the ones who slip through the cracks.
And how do you propose to cull the dullards and not bring them on? Keep in mind they've had intelligent, competent, professional drivers with perfect records for years, who then go down for a nap, oversleep, and have delivered late. It's happened enough that they are through giving the benefit of the doubt and won't risk it. For them, everything is about getting the freight delivered on time.

If you're not awake enough to do a 1200-miler, don't do it. Tell the carrier up front and either give it to someone who can or have it switched.
Sounds great, in theory. And I've done precisely that. But many have not. Even long-time drivers with perfect records who know their limitations will sometimes see that load offer, get a dollar sign woody, and think, "I can make it." And then they don't. There have been many times where the driver did, indeed, feel perfectly fine, good enough to make a long run, and then half way into it get sleepy. I know people, including myself, who have gotten sleepy an hour into a long run.

Everybody knows Panther is putting a van on every streetcorner in America, and the next van will appreciate the business.
Common wisdom isn't always the truth.

I'm sure Panther can work ETAs on their end, anyway, add 2-3 hours onto long runs, quote that ETA.
And then another carrier will quote the customer an ETA of 3 or 4 hours sooner, and they get the bid. You can't just add 3 or 4 hours onto a load with a lot of customers, because customers already know how long it will take. And customers don't care if the van driver needs a break, all they care about is getting their freight delivered on time, and if that means a team van or swap the load midway, so be it. Many customer request "deliver direct", which means no break. They want it there when they want it there, no adding on tot he delivery time permitted.

Between that and the time you build up by getting ahead of the projected speed, a nap is already built in, and they sure don't need to have a clock that begins if you move .7 of a mile as if you're in a big truck.
They don't start the clock when you move .7 of a mile, for vans or trucks. But even .7 of a mile will be looked at hard and heavy by a jury. If you're moving the van, you're not sleeping or resting. Panther learned that the hard way, too.
 

FLWildman

Active Expediter
Ok Panther has 386 vans...why not put a freeze on vans? The boards are swamped with vans.Some locations have 15 vans some have 25 vans at times....who wants to sit for days at a time? We've all done it...but how profitable is that? Only to be relocated to another location at 18 cents a mile to sit for another two days. Wow you get 18 cents to move 500 miles,minus gas to get there.Then what...only to find out 5 vans slipped in there while you were on your way to get there?
Having to request hometime for a contractor is more like being a company driver to me. You have to ask to go home? Relocation tools are nice and profitable if you can use them correctly,and given the right information.The QC is ok,but not always a great tool. Doing a radius check...anything can be put on the QC.
I prefer not to sit more than 24 hours.I talked to driver relations about an empty move. They say "Cant move you to Memphis 11 vans there.Cant move you to Nashville 10 vans there.We can put you in KY 800 miles away there's only 7 vans there,maybe 5 loads a day average.Who in their right mind wants to drive 800 miles and when you get there...you are number 15? If the "relocation tools" worked...I wouldnt have to sit on the phone and waste minutes in the que....Panther vans are like liquor stores on every corner in towns from Fort Collins to Denver.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
Ok Panther has 386 vans...why not put a freeze on vans? The boards are swamped with vans.Some locations have 15 vans some have 25 vans at times....who wants to sit for days at a time? We've all done it...but how profitable is that? Only to be relocated to another location at 18 cents a mile to sit for another two days. Wow you get 18 cents to move 500 miles,minus gas to get there.Then what...only to find out 5 vans slipped in there while you were on your way to get there?
Having to request hometime for a contractor is more like being a company driver to me. You have to ask to go home? Relocation tools are nice and profitable if you can use them correctly,and given the right information.The QC is ok,but not always a great tool. Doing a radius check...anything can be put on the QC.
I prefer not to sit more than 24 hours.I talked to driver relations about an empty move. They say "Cant move you to Memphis 11 vans there.Cant move you to Nashville 10 vans there.We can put you in KY 800 miles away there's only 7 vans there,maybe 5 loads a day average.Who in their right mind wants to drive 800 miles and when you get there...you are number 15? If the "relocation tools" worked...I wouldnt have to sit on the phone and waste minutes in the que....Panther vans are like liquor stores on every corner in towns from Fort Collins to Denver.

You are not asking permission to go home.....you are asking if they could find you a load going in your homes direction....
I have to ask....why are you in Ky? Why in Tn? you are in the sweet spot of expediting...nearly every carrier has multiple vans in those areas...it is not a Panther specific problem....Go to Iowa, go to MN or even Omaha....lot less competition and you can negotiate a better price....
 
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