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[Turtle]

Actually it is more factual. Do you even know the difference between a theory and a hypothesis?

I'm sure I'm going to hear it, either way.

A theory is not proven beyond a doubt. It is not fact. A hypothesis is an educated guess. It is not fact either.

I'm sure the Sun revolving around the Earth was once a theory.

So, clearly, your answer is "no", then. OK.

Far too many people do not understand what a theory is. They scoff at many theories, especially if those theories don't align with their preciously held beliefs. Like, some people have a problem reconciling evolution with long held and taught beliefs, so they ignorantly dismiss the Theory of Evolution as being just a theeeeeery. They think a theory is just an idea, a notion, a guess, but it's just the opposite.

A hypothesis is an attempt to explain phenomena. It is a proposal, a guess, a belief used to explain something. A theory is the result of testing a hypothesis and developing an explanation that is taken to be true about a phenomena. A theory replaces the hypothesis.


So, a person might make an observation and immediately form a hypothesis about why something happens the way it does (a volcano erupts, ergo the volcano gods must be angry). He then tests the hypothesis and eventually develops a theory (whoops, it's not volcano gods at all, it's a natural, understandable process). A hypothesis can be right or wrong, but a theory is supposed to be true based upon the scientific method of testing. So, when a hypothesis has been verified to be true, it becomes a theory.

So a hypothesis isn't an educated guess, it's an un-educated guess. And a theory isn't necessarily an absolute fact, but it is absolutely "more factual" than a hypothesis based on guesses, feelings and beliefs that hasn't been subjected to testing.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I can't stand know-it-alls. Especially ones who are wrong. A hypothesis IS an educated guess, because some knowledge had to go into forming it, ie, it wasn't random. In scientific method, a hypothesis is the guess that starts the whole process. It is the thing that if it holds water, it moves on to being a theory, or gets unproven, in the beginning stages.

An example of a hypothesis might be: Why is that man a burglar? An uneducated guess would be, "because he is black." And educated guess, or hypothesis might be, "because he is on drugs", after seeing the man buy them.

 

[pandora2112]

Interesting perspective

Sorry was getting blank thread posts and after this long thread does it matter?


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[Turtle]

I can't stand know-it-alls. Especially ones who are wrong. A hypothesis IS an educated guess, because some knowledge had to go into forming it, ie, it wasn't random. In scientific method, a hypothesis is the guess that starts the whole process. It is the thing that if it holds water, it moves on to being a theory, or gets unproven, in the beginning stages.

Neither a theory or a hypothesis is random. But just because it's not random, it doesn't mean there was any knowledge behind the thought. You can also have a lot of knowledge about something, all of it being dead wrong. The Earth-centered universe is a good example. By definition, a hypothesis is a guess based on very little, if any, facts. It is, quite literally, a "working assumption". In order for it to be a working assumption, certain things must be assumed that may or may not be true, but you must nevertheless assume they are true.

An example of a hypothesis might be: Why is that man a burglar? An uneducated guess would be, "because he is black." And educated guess, or hypothesis might be, "because he is on drugs", after seeing the man buy them.

Both of those examples are hypotheses, with both being educated guesses of sorts, with one being slightly more educated than the other, mainly because the "drugs" reference requires the interjection of a second hypothesis to explain the first.

In your first response example, what you call the "uneducated guess" response, it would only be an example of an uneducated guess if the person making the guess didn't know the race of the man. However, if he knew the man was black, which he did know, given the explicit premise of "that man", that's not exactly random knowledge. It's a fact that entered into the hypothesis of "because he is black".

A hypothesis is a proposition, or a set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified phenomena. "Because he is black" is precisely just such a proposition. It is a proposition to explain the burglary.

In your own words, when a hypothesis holds water and moves on to be a theory, then once it becomes a theory it will be "more factual" than any untested hypothesis could ever possibly be. Which is why the Big Bang Theory is more factual than the ancient texts, which are untested hypotheses. And that's why I take exception to your claim that the theory is "no more factual" than the ancient texts.

 

[skyraider]

You guys have now awakened Mr. Webster. You will most likely get more info than you want to read, so just be patient and read................................u may learn something.

 

[Moot]

OK. Who do you reckon these people were in history?

Gen.6

[4] There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

Num.13

[33] And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.

Deut.2

[11] Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
[20] (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;

I'll take a stab at this Alex: Who are Barry Bonds, Justin Playfair, Eli Manning, Lemuel Gulliver and John Flansburg.

 

[AMonger]

In your own words, when a hypothesis holds water and moves on to be a theory, then once it becomes a theory it will be "more factual" than any untested hypothesis could ever possibly be. Which is why the Big Bang Theory is more factual than the ancient texts, which are untested hypotheses. And that's why I take exception to your claim that the theory is "no more factual" than the ancient texts.

This it a falsehood. The only means that is factual is the one that actually occurred, whether it's the untested hypothesis, or an incorrect theory that educated people believe. The one that happened is the fact.