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chefdennis

chefdennis

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OVM wrote:

Hey they picked me....the possibilities are endless....LOL
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Wellll.. then there is THAT!! :D

I think it was more like the Republicans and McCain..you were just "next in line"....LOL...:D
 
cheri1122

cheri1122

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Ragman said:
But why use the term "coney island"?
:confused:

That's what I was asking, because Coney Island is a well known NY/NJ 'resort' area, but I've only seen the restaurants in & around Detroit, & that seemed odd.
I wish there were more of them so I could find breakfast when I finish a delivery, instead of pizza, Chinese, or fast food - I never could get the hang of making eggs over easy in the rice cooker, lol.
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Turtle

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Steady Eddie said:
Yeah after thinking about it, looking down on those little dogs may remind me of my little problem....Hate to see them all plumped up and then stick a fork in'em and they just srink down........
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That happens a lot when you're over 50.
 
Turtle

Turtle

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cheri1122 said:
Ragman said:
But why use the term "coney island"?
:confused:

That's what I was asking, because Coney Island is a well known NY/NJ 'resort' area, but I've only seen the restaurants in & around Detroit, & that seemed odd.
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This all goes back to the 13th century Frankfurt, Germany where they had an all-pork sausage served on a slice of bread or a roll. It was called the Frankfurter Würstchen, which translated means "little sausages from Frankfurt" (Würstchen derives from Würst (sausage), and means "little sausage").

Some time later the Frankfurter Würstchen was brought to Vienna, Austria, where beef was more readily available than pork at the time, so beef was added to the mixture. To differentiate the all-pork "little sausages from Frankfurt" from the beef-pork "little sausages from Vienna", the Vienna variant was called Weiner Würstchen ("little sausages from Wein") because the German name for Vienna is Wein, hence Weiner. (In German, the "W" is pronounced as a "V").

Around 1870 on Coney Island in New York, a German immigrant named Charles Feltman began selling Weiner Würstchen served in a roll that was specially created for his "hot dogs", which is what he called them. No one knows why. The origin of the name "hot dog" is murky, but probably came from the similarity to the Dachshund, although there were times when the reference to the meat being from actual dogs was probably true, as in the 19th and early 20th century dog meat was popular in Germany.

Ten years later, inspired by Feltman's hot dogs from Coney Island, another German immigrant, a sausage maker from Bavaria named Anton Ludwig Feuchtwanger, started selling hot dogs in St Louis. He sold them on the streets, as well as at the World's Fair (the the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago, and then again at the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition in St Louis). Feuchtwanger's hot dogs was a favorite of a man named Chris von der Ahe, also a German immigrant, who owned an amusement park, as well as the St Louis Browns professional baseball team (later to become the Cardinals). He started selling Feuchtwanger's hot dogs at both the amusement park and at the baseball park, and the association between baseball and hot dogs was born.

In 1916 Coney Island, a Polish American employee of Charles Feltman's German Gardens Restaurant named Nathan Handwerker decided to go into business for himself in direct competition to Feltman (famously encouraged by famous customers such as Eddie Cantor and Jimmy Durante), and wanted to make a higher quality hot dog, and sell it cheaper. He did that, selling his quality hot dogs at the corner of Surf and Stillwell for 5 cents versus the 10 cents his former employer was charging down the street.

At the time, food regulation and inspection left the hot dog to be famously suspect, both in quality and ingredients, Handwerker made sure that men wearing surgeon's smocks were seen eating at his hot dog stand to reassure potential customers as to the quality an safety of his hot dogs. Nathan's became famous, literally, as he changed the name to Nathan's Famous.

So, for all practical purposes, while the little sausages on a bun have a long and varied history, the birthplace of the hot dog really and truly is... Coney Island, New York. :)
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Ragman

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Ragman said:
Perhaps, But Turtle will write 19 paragraphs about it. :rolleyes:
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Turtle said:
It's a very specific kind of chili dog. The Coney Island Dog refers to a natural casing beef hot dog, topped with an all-meat beanless chili (usually using beef heart), and diced or chopped white onions with one or two strips of yellow mustard, and should not to be confused with a generic Chili Dog which is a synthetic casing hot dog that is boiled with Texas style chili draped over it. The hot dog part of a Coney Island Dog is never boiled or steamed.

The Coney Island Dog was invented by George Todoroff in Jackson, MI, when he opened his restaurant, Todoroff's Original Coney Island, in 1914. He chose the name Coney Island Dog as a recognition of the birthplace of the original hot dog, Coney Island, NY (tho, of course, German immigrants likely imported the hot dogs).

Cincinnati style chili is a Coney Island Dog variant, and was also invented, in Cincinnati, by Greeks. Gold Star is the best.
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Turtle said:
cheri1122 said:
This all goes back to the 13th century Frankfurt, Germany where they had an all-pork sausage served on a slice of bread or a roll. It was called the Frankfurter Würstchen, which translated means "little sausages from Frankfurt" (Würstchen derives from Würst (sausage), and means "little sausage").

Some time later the Frankfurter Würstchen was brought to Vienna, Austria, where beef was more readily available than pork at the time, so beef was added to the mixture. To differentiate the all-pork "little sausages from Frankfurt" from the beef-pork "little sausages from Vienna", the Vienna variant was called Weiner Würstchen ("little sausages from Wein") because the German name for Vienna is Wein, hence Weiner. (In German, the "W" is pronounced as a "V").

Around 1870 on Coney Island in New York, a German immigrant named Charles Feltman began selling Weiner Würstchen served in a roll that was specially created for his "hot dogs", which is what he called them. No one knows why. The origin of the name "hot dog" is murky, but probably came from the similarity to the Dachshund, although there were times when the reference to the meat being from actual dogs was probably true, as in the 19th and early 20th century dog meat was popular in Germany.

Ten years later, inspired by Feltman's hot dogs from Coney Island, another German immigrant, a sausage maker from Bavaria named Anton Ludwig Feuchtwanger, started selling hot dogs in St Louis. He sold them on the streets, as well as at the World's Fair (the the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition in Chicago, and then again at the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition in St Louis). Feuchtwanger's hot dogs was a favorite of a man named Chris von der Ahe, also a German immigrant, who owned an amusement park, as well as the St Louis Browns professional baseball team (later to become the Cardinals). He started selling Feuchtwanger's hot dogs at both the amusement park and at the baseball park, and the association between baseball and hot dogs was born.

In 1916 Coney Island, a Polish American employee of Charles Feltman's German Gardens Restaurant named Nathan Handwerker decided to go into business for himself in direct competition to Feltman (famously encouraged by famous customers such as Eddie Cantor and Jimmy Durante), and wanted to make a higher quality hot dog, and sell it cheaper. He did that, selling his quality hot dogs at the corner of Surf and Stillwell for 5 cents versus the 10 cents his former employer was charging down the street.

At the time, food regulation and inspection left the hot dog to be famously suspect, both in quality and ingredients, Handwerker made sure that men wearing surgeon's smocks were seen eating at his hot dog stand to reassure potential customers as to the quality an safety of his hot dogs. Nathan's became famous, literally, as he changed the name to Nathan's Famous.

So, for all practical purposes, while the little sausages on a bun have a long and varied history, the birthplace of the hot dog really and truly is... Coney Island, New York. :)
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So far only 10 paragraphs. :D

We are still owed 9. :rolleyes:
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chefdennis

chefdennis

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Hmmm it was pointed out by turtle that "Todoroff's Original Coney Island" was opened in 1914.. He chose the name Coney Island Dog as a recognition of the birthplace of the original hot dog, Coney Island, NY...BUT...while the Coney Island Hot Dog was started in Jackson Mich, it wasn't in 1914...in 1914, George took his CONEY ISLAND CHILI that he started making in Jackson Michigan to CONEY ISLAND New York...it wasn't until 1916 that he started selling CONEY DOGS!! He then took those BACK to Jackson....

According to history, Coney Islands were mentioned in newspaper articles back to 1895....

THE CONEY ISLAND HOT DOG

The All-American hot dog has been around for a long time. George Todoroff improved this American favorite when he created his famous recipe for Coney Island Chili Sauce in 1914. He added this one-of-a-kind jewel to the hot dog, along with mustard and onions, and the Coney Island hot dog as we know it, was born.

6 September 1895, Syracuse (NY) Daily Standard, pg. 6, col. 7:
This meat has been sold to a sausage maker and would have been all bound (? illegible—ed.) up into red hot Coney Islands had it not been for the city’s officer.

1 August 1897, Syracuse (NY) Herald, pg. 13, col. 1:
There were peanuts and pop corn, hot Coney Islands, fruit and candies sold as well as large quantities of intoxicants and soft drinks.

14 August 1898, Syracuse (NY) Herald, pg. 21, col. 4:
Purveyors of red lemonade, “California” peanuts, watermelon and “Coney Islands” are tenderly greeted and well patronized by the people who hie themselves away for a day’s outing at Howlands Island.

3 August 1899, Syracuse (NY) Post-Standard, pg. 2, col. 5:
Bids for Privileges
at the
State Fair, Sept. 4-9
(...)
These privileges include Dining Hall, Oysters, Cigars and Tobacco, Carbonaceotis and other soft drinks, Peanuts, Popcorn, Fruit, Coney Islands, Ice Cream, Candy, etc.

2 September 1900, Davenport (Iowa) Daily Leader, pg. 9, col. 4:
There were Coney Island red-hot men, “moochers,” “lifters,” and every other kind found on a race track.

19 October 1903, Albuquerque (NM) Morning Journal, pg. 2, col. 3:
The chile wagons coined money and the street vendors who dispensed Coney Island red hots and sandwiches were besieged by hungry throngs of New Mexicans.

24 March 1909, Syracuse (NY) Herald, pg. 7:
The State Fair commission to-day awarded...hot coneys and frankfurters to J. R. McCosker at $1,485.50.

27 August 1910, Syracuse (NY) Post-Standard, pg. 5, col. 1 ad:
WESTERN MEATS
(...)
Best frankfurts 12c
Coney Islands 13c

6 August 1911, Syracuse (NY) Herald, pg. C3:
Added to these features are stands where candy, soft drinks and “coney islands” can be purchased.

26 February 1915, Syracuse (NY) Herald, pg. 1, col. 2:
Frankforts 15c
Coneys 16c
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The Big Apple: Coney Island (Coney; Coney Dog)

funny thing, no where is nathans mentioned in any history and the words Coney Island Dogs, are not mentioned on the website anywhere....It is almost like they Avoid using the term "Coney Island"...Oh and they didn't start business until 1916 also...

http://nathansfamous.com/PageFetch/

Nathan's Famous - Time Line
 
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scottm4211

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Tim Horton died after flipping his DeTomaso Pantera (Ford powered) at over 100 mph while being over twice the legal limit.
 
chefdennis

chefdennis

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Tim Horton died after flipping his DeTomaso Pantera (Ford powered) at over 100 mph while being over twice the legal limit.
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351 Ford Cleveland canted valve motor!! Way underrated at 400 bhp for insurance purposes....:D

I use to do aligments on those Panteras for a Lincoln Mercury dealership..had to add 200 lbs of weight to the drivers seat and 150 lbs to the pass seat to "load the chassis" to get the proper settings in caster and camber....loved test driving them!!!:D
 
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