new hos

charliemcc · Mar 4, 2013

i am not a truck driver. if they change the hos, it's for everyone, not some,it's still a level playing field. if they only let you drive 40 hours a week. its level, it's for everyone. as you can tell, iam pretty dumb, in football, if they made 1st down is 40 yards, both teams have to do it so its still fair. what am i missing.

xiggi · Mar 4, 2013

The affect on income plain and simple. If they only allowed you to work say 20 hours a week at your job could you survive? Most drivers are out away from home for weeks at a time. If that was you would you rather be making money or sitting in some truck stop?

Sent from my Fisher Price - ABC 123

charliemcc · Mar 4, 2013

it they only let you drive 20 hours a week, drivers would be getting $500 per hour. The demand for delivery would skyrocket. supplly and demand. am i simple minded or what?

layoutshooter · Mar 4, 2013

charliemcc said:
it they only let you drive 20 hours a week, drivers would be getting $500 per hour. The demand for delivery would skyrocket. supplly and demand. am i simple minded or what?

You are not simple minded, you just have no understanding of how this industry works. First off, few if any expediters are hourly employees. We are either paid by the mile or a percentage of the load. Second, very few are even employees, we are private business owners and these new HOS regs are greatly retarding our ability to earn a living.

charliemcc · Mar 4, 2013

Okay, if they restricted drivng hours to 20 per week, you would get$5.00 per mile. The demand for delivery would be so great it would push up what shippers are willing to pay. $5 times 300 miles= $1500. I would be more than happy to sit in a truck stop for 3 or 4 days if iam making $1500. in this scenario, owners and drivers would be making money. The consumer w;ould pay for this because the retailer would just add the cost of shipping to the product. now do you believe me when i say iam simple minded?

xiggi · Mar 4, 2013

Rates have never increased when hours have been reduced so your theory is flawed.

Sent from my Fisher Price - ABC 123

AMonger · Mar 4, 2013

There isn't room in all the truck stops combined to park all the trucks that would be stationary. There isn't room right now in many parts of the country as it is. Hundreds of new truck stops would have to be built to accommodate all of the trucks as they sat, idling to keep the driver cool or warm.

charliemcc · Mar 4, 2013

checkmate , you win, it would never happen in real world

layoutshooter · Mar 4, 2013

charliemcc said:
Okay, if they restricted drivng hours to 20 per week, you would get$5.00 per mile. The demand for delivery would be so great it would push up what shippers are willing to pay. $5 times 300 miles= $1500. I would be more than happy to sit in a truck stop for 3 or 4 days if iam making $1500. in this scenario, owners and drivers would be making money. The consumer w;ould pay for this because the retailer would just add the cost of shipping to the product. now do you believe me when i say iam simple minded?

I need to AVERAGE $1000 per day, running or not, just to make ends meet. This is going to drive up costs to EVERYONE and do NOTHING to make the roads safer. It is just another government imposed farce.

I am curious though, why is a non trucker showing an interest in our HOS problem? Don't get me wrong, I do LIKE the fact that you are. Far more people should show an interest into what is going on in this country and how it is affecting them. I just wonder why your interest.

Slo-Ride · Mar 4, 2013

charliemcc said:
i am not a truck driver. what am i missing.

Grap yourself a air matress lay it on the floor and tape off a 4ft by 4ft area and confine yourself to that for the next 2 1/2 days or so and let us know how rested/aware you really feel.
Grap a few beers because you know dang well with so much time on your hands pleanty of drivers will be doing just that. And going back in service with hang overs. (Oh maybe have a hooker or 2 drop by also because God knows what happens with idle minds

)

A 34hr reset has worked well and allowed many drivers to sleep it off, Get a good hot meal somewhere and start off fresh, and ready for another week.

jjoerger · Mar 4, 2013

layoutshooter said:
I need to AVERAGE $1000 per day, running or not, just to make ends meet.

Dang

Sent from my EVO using EO Forums

layoutshooter · Mar 4, 2013

jjoerger said:
Dang

Sent from my EVO using EO Forums

That is not that much. My business supports itself, the lives of two people, house etc. Not hard to do. IF I were not a reefer truck, with reefer truck expenses, that figure would be less.

mjmsprt40 · Mar 4, 2013

One of the goofiest things I saw in the new rules concerns the reset. Seriously, in expedite we're sometimes down a couple of days just idling, waiting for the next call. What does it matter to the powers-that-be if you use that time for "reset" purposes? So you get a couple of "resets" in a given week-- who did that hurt-- besides your wallet?

I saw too much power in Washington on that rule, and I have no doubt you can easily show other rules that are the same way. They make sense only to pencil-pushing bureaucrats and to nobody else.

runrunner · Mar 4, 2013

mjmsprt40 said:
One of the goofiest things I saw in the new rules concerns the reset. Seriously, in expedite we're sometimes down a couple of days just idling, waiting for the next call. What does it matter to the powers-that-be if you use that time for "reset" purposes? So you get a couple of "resets" in a given week-- who did that hurt-- besides your wallet?

I saw too much power in Washington on that rule, and I have no doubt you can easily show other rules that are the same way. They make sense only to pencil-pushing bureaucrats and to nobody else.

I agree with what you are saying,but have to remember FMCSA is not thinking about a truck sitting two or three days they are thinking about trucks running every day. That's bad for Expediters!

Tennesseahawk · Mar 4, 2013

runrunner said:
I agree with what you are saying,but have to remember FMCSA is not thinking about a truck sitting two or three days they are thinking about trucks running every day. That's bad for Expediters!

That's what I see as a problem with the FMCSA "one size fits all" mentality. Straights and T/Ts are two different beasts, yet have the same rules. Different sectors of the industry have different needs, yet get the same rules. Bus drivers get different rules. Oil riggers too. Other than those, everything is the same.