New DOT physical qualifications start May 21st

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I just had my physical. I was kind of worried about it, given all the changes I had heard of. But it was the same old physical. Had my neck measured the previous physical, but not this time.

if your in reasonably good shape nothing should really change....it is those marginal drivers with a medical history will get a closer look at...IMO Lets not kid ourselves, over weight is NOT a good thing....a healthy over weight person?....really?>.....gee whiz...
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
if your in reasonably good shape nothing should really change....it is those marginal drivers with a medical history will get a closer look at...IMO Lets not kid ourselves, over weight is NOT a good thing....a healthy over weight person?....really?>.....gee whiz...

I guess that would be determined on what is considered overweight. MANY soldiers, pro athletes, body builders, fitness freaks, exceed both BMI and neck size, but are in prime condition. BMI is NOT a good measure, it is, at best, one indicator, at worst, junk science. The way it is being used for DOT leans towards the junk science side.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I guess that would be determined on what is considered overweight. MANY soldiers, pro athletes, body builders, fitness freaks, exceed both BMI and neck size, but are in prime condition. BMI is NOT a good measure, it is, at best, one indicator, at worst, junk science. The way it is being used for DOT leans towards the junk science side.

I just mentioned weight...No BMI is NOT a good yardstick BUT it is a place to start.....the patients med. history, build, activity should all be taken into consideration.....BUT you've seen them Joe.....there is a lot of inactive, out of shape shoving pizza and BBQ into their yaps while going down the road and never exercise.....lets be honest here....
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
I was recently asked for my medical card at a scale house in N.C. He called the doc office to verify it.

I thought the card was now embedded in your drivers licence?? Mine is and hadn't needed to show hard copy of it since. Officer tells me he sees it when he looks up my license..Haven't been asked for it in awhile now.
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
I just mentioned weight...No BMI is NOT a good yardstick BUT it is a place to start.....the patients med. history, build, activity should all be taken into consideration.....BUT you've seen them Joe.....there is a lot of inactive, out of shape shoving pizza and BBQ into their yaps while going down the road and never exercise.....lets be honest here....

And yet, those same people are allowed to drive cars, to have wrecks with trucks, and kill people. It does NO good to ONLY go after trucks. Everyone, or no one.

I am losing weight, because I HAVE too, FOR ME! If it was ONLY for my CDL, I would have my excuse to stay home.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
And yet, those same people are allowed to drive cars, to have wrecks with trucks, and kill people. It does NO good to ONLY go after trucks. Everyone, or no one.

I am losing weight, because I HAVE too, FOR ME! If it was ONLY for my CDL, I would have my excuse to stay home.

see its is crap like that...go after cars....deflect away from topic/issue.....heck they should go after RV's for that matter.....BUT issue is TRUCKS....and nothing is going to change that.....
 

layoutshooter

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
see its is crap like that...go after cars....deflect away from topic/issue.....heck they should go after RV's for that matter.....BUT issue is TRUCKS....and nothing is going to change that.....

WHY is the issue trucks? I said EVERYONE, or NO one. EVERYONE who drives ANY kind of motor vehicle SHOULD be subject to the same laws. IF it is unsafe for us "fat guys" to drive a truck, it is also unsafe for the SAME "fat guys" to drive a car.

I would be willing to bet the following, MOST roads deaths are caused by cars driving by non-professional drivers and that medical problems cause only a small percentage of accidents.

This entire DOT thing is about making money for a few "greedy" corporations, and MORE government control over health. It will make little, if any, impact on safety.
 

Jenny

Veteran Expediter
I wonder what the number of incidents that is non commercial vehicles causing an accident due to a health issue vs truckers? Drivers of non cmv falling asleep at the wheel or heart attacks is?

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BillChaffey

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
US Navy
I think , believe that the government "goes after" "truckers" mainly because they are on the road a lot more then the average driver. Driving a much larger rig with the potential of much more damage. Plus something so large along side at 70 mph can be intimidating. Very few politicians have ever been in a rig the size of a straight truck let alone a class 8.
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
I think , believe that the government "goes after" "truckers" mainly because they are on the road a lot more then the average driver. Driving a much larger rig with the potential of much more damage. Plus something so large along side at 70 mph can be intimidating. Very few politicians have ever been in a rig the size of a straight truck let alone a class 8.

I would be inclined to believe some of that, but would also lean towards the courts know we will pay fines and move on much faster then a 4 wheeler would. Plus our fines/scores can be much higher and worth more then the same voilation for a 4 wheeler.
As far as damage,,results are the same just a bigger pile of debri.. A wreck is a wreck with devastating results no matter whats involed.
 

letsdrive

Seasoned Expediter
I think , believe that the government "goes after" "truckers" mainly because they are on the road a lot more then the average driver. Driving a much larger rig with the potential of much more damage. Plus something so large along side at 70 mph can be intimidating. Very few politicians have ever been in a rig the size of a straight truck let alone a class 8.

Im sure it might have something to do with a 80,000 lb missle going down the road

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Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
The FMCSA, which is a separate administration under the DOT since 2000, is there to regulate commercial heavy trucks and buses, which presents a higher risk to the general public.

"As far as damage,,results are the same just a bigger pile of debri.. A wreck is a wreck with devastating results no matter whats involed."

Not even. Most wrecks between cars and light trucks are not devastating at all. Most wrecks between big trucks and cars or light trucks are devastating, usually to the car or light truck and its occupants. And the driver of the heavy truck walks away while everyone else involved is a pile of goo.

The reason that cargo vans and Sprinters are not regulated is because, despite their hauling freight, they don't represent a greater danger to the general driving public than does the general driving public. Back a few years ago as part of Ray LaHood's distracted driving thingy, they had a conference where accident data was presented by the FHWA that showed the accident rate of cargo vans that were hauling freight under authority. Even though those vehicles are unregulated, those accidents get reported and tracked. The accident rate for commercial cargo vans was the same as that of the general driving public. The dollar amounts of damage was actually less than the general public, and the injury and fatality rates were considerably lower.
 

Mailer

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
I wonder what the number of incidents that is non commercial vehicles causing an accident due to a health issue vs truckers? Drivers of non cmv falling asleep at the wheel or heart attacks is?

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I think it's 1.3% for non CDL, not sure about CDL. But for sure driving 11 hours a day could contribute to medical and mental issues...fatigue, that is. So when one have certain medical issues, it's a possible double whammy.

http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/Pubs/811219.pdf
 

Slo-Ride

Veteran Expediter
Not even. Most wrecks between cars and light trucks are not devastating at all. Most wrecks between big trucks and cars or light trucks are devastating, usually to the car or light truck and its occupants. And the driver of the heavy truck walks away while everyone else involved is a pile of goo.

Fender benders usually not devastating I agree..Wrecks in my mind are a bit different animal and thats what I was referring to. I see more auto and light trucks reduced to scrap then larger trucks. I feel the lighter vehicles pose a bigger hazard then heavy truck as there is more of them which results in more of them thinking its all about them and have thrown caution out the window along with their coffee cup. If we are going to have regs, my opinion is we all should be regulated the same.

I didnt see Lahoods presentation but Im thinking it may have been somewhat one sided to get his current point across.
:D

Your dollar amount for damages is understandable as there are fewer and the dashboard in your van may not cost as much to replace as in a passenger vechicle..I can see repairs/damages being less for vans.
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Fender benders usually not devastating I agree..Wrecks in my mind are a bit different animal and thats what I was referring to. I see more auto and light trucks reduced to scrap then larger trucks. I feel the lighter vehicles pose a bigger hazard then heavy truck as there is more of them which results in more of them thinking its all about them and have thrown caution out the window along with their coffee cup. If we are going to have regs, my opinion is we all should be regulated the same.
The reason for the regs in the first place is because of the public outcry over big trucks and the damage they do in accidents. The public is willing to put up with themselves, because despite the number of fatalities, most of those accidents don't result in everyone involved being killed. When a car rear ends you, it's a problem, but when a big truck rear ends you, you're dead.

There used to be a lot more accidents involving trucks than there are now, before drug testing, HoS, inspection and maintenance, etc. But still, when a car, light truck or a van gets into an accident, the chances are that there won't be any fatalities. When a big truck is involved, the chances of fatalities skyrocket. Sure, there are the really bad accidents, but most accidents between cars and light trucks result in either injury or no injuries at all.

As for cars and light trucks being more of a hazard, you're right, of course, and the feds know full well. OSHA's and the FHWA's numbers are the same, which show 85% of all accidents involving big trucks and cars it's the car's fault, and 70% of all fatal accidents involving cars and big trucks are the result of "unsafe actions of automobile drivers."

Automobiles are regulated on the state level. The federal government cannot regulate a state driver's license. It's why the DOT and can only regulate trucks operating in Interstate Commerce, and not those who only operate intrastate. States are free to regulate automobile drivers any way they like, but if you think the public outcry over big trucks was loud, just wait until state legislators start talking about regulating automobile drivers the same way they do big trucks. Random drug tests for private citizens? Good luck with that. HoS? Not gonna happen. They're only left with driver education.

Read the PDF at the link above that Mailer posted. The Conclusions part (about 5 pages down) would read a LOT differently if it applied to commercial motor vehicles. It's about accidents caused by driver medical conditions. "Patient education by health care providers on early warning signs of a health crisis, such as warning signs before seizure attacks, diabetic or hypoglycemic comas and potential side effects of medications are recommended as the most effective countermeasure." Ha! If that were for the FMCSA, the recommendations wouldn't be "education by health care providers," it would be, "Driver Disqualification."


I didnt see Lahoods presentation but Im thinking it may have been somewhat one sided to get his current point across.
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You'd think that, and you'd be right, but the van crash data specifically wasn't used in any way to get his point across, it was just a small part of the larger set of crash data that was used to provide support for regulations to combat distracted driving (the hand held cell phone thing, mainly). They focused almost solely on commercial motor vehicles, because that's the only thing they can actually regulate. But as a small part of that data, there was the van crash data, and it was there only because carriers are required to report accidents for vehicles under their control. But it was interesting to see that and then compare it to the FHWA crash statistics for automobiles and light trucks. But I don't think the commercial cargo van numbers were even mentioned at the conference. But, I wasn't there, it was a 2 or 3 day deal. I just looked at the PDF of it.

Your dollar amount for damages is understandable as there are fewer and the dashboard in your van may not cost as much to replace as in a passenger vechicle..I can see repairs/damages being less for vans.
Actually, I was speaking for along the lines of damages done to the other vehicles, not the ones who caused the accidents. A car, light truck or a van hits another vehicle, and it's not a lock that the other vehicle will be totaled. But a big trucks hits a car and the car instantly becomes a piece of sculpture. :D
 

Jamin_Joe

Seasoned Expediter
I think Professional Drivers arent at fault most of the time. I have seen many other trucks where it is evedent the driver wasnt trained properly or is wreckless.

I always defend Professional Drivers and often yeld to them.

Finally got my eye results and as I suspected, the Opthamologist said that I surpass the minimum requirements.

Now the waiting game for the waiver.
 

OntarioVanMan

Retired Expediter
Owner/Operator
I think Professional Drivers arent at fault most of the time. I have seen many other trucks where it is evedent the driver wasnt trained properly or is wreckless.

I always defend Professional Drivers and often yeld to them.

Finally got my eye results and as I suspected, the Opthamologist said that I surpass the minimum requirements.

Now the waiting game for the waiver.

good for you....
 
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