ND to vote on eliminating property taxes

[OntarioVanMan]

Local governments in North Dakota worry about property tax abolition

the elimination of property taxes would give North Dakota a competitive edge in bringing new businesses and jobs to the state. It also would finally allow people to truly own their homes and make housing more affordable both for young couples and elderly. “The elderly won’t have to worry about leaving home after investing in the neighborhood for 30 or 40 years,”

North Dakota economy booms, population soars - USATODAY.com

What's North Dakota Doing Right? - BusinessWeek

 

[greg334]

If they eliminate property tax and grasp onto the idea of real home ownership, I think I would move.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

If they eliminate property tax and grasp onto the idea of real home ownership, I think I would move.

Really? .....

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I'll tell you why it's working in ND. The trash of our society, of ALL races, have no interest in moving to ND. Therefore, the society is left to enjoy the fruits of its labor and liberties; and therefore, not be flustered by things such as "redistribution" and "affirmative action" and "welfare" holding the communities down. Even the bluedog Democrats, who get voted in from time to time, know not to mess with this good thing.

ND is solid proof that individuals and communities can rise above, and live in a TRULY republic government... limited government, based around the liberty of its peoples... not the socialist theory of MAKING all men equal by redistributing wealth and rights. All men ARE created equal at birth. And it shouldn't be my problem if you can't (or your parents couldn't) get it right the first time.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

Hawk...even in my small community..I hear of no expectation of a handout when the going gets tough...they dig in (as in the WHOLE family)and work a little harder to get over the issue...

 

[layoutshooter]

The rest of the country should do as ND and SD are doing. The idea of "EARNING" you way through life needs to be brought back.

Yeah, I know, there are no jobs. BULL HOCKEY!! Work 2 or 3 if needed. Better yet, invent you OWN job.

Yeah I know, IT'S HARD!! Yep, so what? Who ever said life was easy?

No more "free" welfare. On some form of public assistance? WORK for it. Don't want to WORK? No assistance.

The time as come to quit taking money from the producers and giving it to the takers.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Hawk...even in my small community..I hear of no expectation of a handout when the going gets tough...they dig in (as in the WHOLE family)and work a little harder to get over the issue...

And that's why Katrina was such an overwhelming disaster. People refused to even try to succeed. They refused to work together as a community, or even individually to save themselves.

The victims of Katrina were overwhelmingly the product of government gone wrong. Not for the attempts on the government to save the populous; but rather, the values of the people who have been made wards of the state since The Great Society started back in the 60s. The idea that gubmint will "gimme, gimme, gimme" doesn't do much when you have to fend for yourself. When you CHOOSE not to rely on government, you CAN do for yourself.

 

[layoutshooter]

And that's why Katrina was such an overwhelming disaster. People refused to even try to succeed. They refused to work together as a community, or even individually to save themselves.

The victims of Katrina were overwhelmingly the product of government gone wrong. Not for the attempts on the government to save the populous; but rather, the values of the people who have been made wards of the state since The Great Society started back in the 60s. The idea that gubmint will "gimme, gimme, gimme" doesn't do much when you have to fend for yourself. When you CHOOSE not to rely on government, you CAN do for yourself.

Just watch how fast places like Joplin and some of the Mid-West flood areas bounce back. They are WORKING to recover, NOT sitting back and complaining that no one is doing it for them.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

When we moved here, JuJu of course knew all the locals from school days and the kids she babysat all grown up...

We have been doing a lot of rebuilding and at first had the locals doing the work...They showed me HOW to do things and gave me the confidence that instead of paying them to do the simpliest things..I should be doing it myself!!

Now, That I've started doing things myself..I think I've earned their respect as they can see I am not some ditz that can't help myself....I get a lot of waves and nods...If I need help or advice they give it more freely now...or drop in on their way by to give me pointers and leave to let me struggle...I've become far more dependent on ME....

 

[greg334]

I think we used to say the same thing about Texas, right?

Katrina was a lesson in finger pointing and nothing more. Until we as a nation come to grips with real causes of disasters, in the case of N.O. the city government failed the people, we can't move ahead.

By the way, just an FYI - the federal government is now restructuring the disaster response to include the full military in a round about way. I think this will be a bad thing because it further removes the individual factor of relief out of the picture and moves more government control into the picture. Already we are seeing issues with the feds being involved with relief efforts in the way of a lack of properly 'vetted' volunteers and the issues over property access.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Just watch how fast places like Joplin and some of the Mid-West flood areas bounce back. They are WORKING to recover, NOT sitting back and complaining that no one is doing it for them.

It's not just small communities either. Large ones like Houston after its hurricane, and Nashville after its flood, prove that large cities with a conservative mindset can and will persevere. It is the ones like New Orleans, that is overwhelmingly submissive to government and corruption (notice the two go hand in hand?), and an apathetic citizenry, that will fall apart. It was only after the FEDERAL government got involved, and threw mass amounts of money at the city, did it start getting cleaned up.

 

[BillChaffey]

With no Property taxes in the communities large enough to have Police & Fire proctection. How is it paid for?.

 

[OntarioVanMan]

With no Property taxes in the communities large enough to have Police & Fire proctection. How is it paid for?.

From the article...
Oil taxes alone could cover the $734 million in property taxes collected last year.

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[layoutshooter]

Disaster relief is not the job of the US military. Disaster relief is a state issues.

The smart way would be for "regions" to pool resources and work on their own to recover. I would go as far as to have these, "regions", purchase a C5A or two, on their own.

Example: Divide the states in to 5 "regions". There would be 10. Each region buys 1 C5A. There would then be 10 non-military controlled C5A's for use. They could be "loaned" to a region in need.

This is a suggestion. We need to start thinking about the best way to get the federal government out of our lives and start doing things for ourselves.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

That's just it, Bill. Without other major entitlement programs, huge prisons, and the like, what little taxes they collect can pay for the basic municipalities the community needs. I wouldn't doubt that most communities have a volunteer fire dept.; and numerous communities come together to support only a county sheriff to uphold the law. A lawful and largely independent community is a cheap community to maintain.

 

[layoutshooter]

Why pay for fire and ambulance services? 70% of all firefighters in this country are volunteer. Do it your self. It works. Most places I have lived in have been covered by volunteers. Where I live now is. I prefer it. Better services.

You won't need any where near the police coverage. Places where people CARE about their community, take care of it and it's problems tend to have lower crime rates.

MOST of the crime where I live comes out of the cities that surround us. Like Toledo and Monroe.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

We need to start thinking about the best way to get the federal government out of our lives and start doing things for ourselves.

Best way is to go back to Common Law (the law of the land). Do no harm to others. Do no damage to the property of others. Use no fraud in your contracts (keep your word).

The government is not in the business of protecting your rights anymore. It's in the business to create laws, and become wealthy because of those laws (taxes, fines, and fees).

 

[OntarioVanMan]

That's just it, Bill. Without other major entitlement programs, huge prisons, and the like, what little taxes they collect can pay for the basic municipalities the community needs. I wouldn't doubt that most communities have a volunteer fire dept.; and numerous communities come together to support only a county sheriff to uphold the law. A lawful and largely independent community is a cheap community to maintain.

It is all volunteer fire Depts out here in the back country...
Crime almost non existent..our town of 370 has 1 town worker and 1 part timer...and the bigger projects are contracted out to the locals...

 

[greg334]

Why can't police also be voluntary?

There is no federal law or constitutional requirement to have a law enforcement officer be employed by the state or city, is there?

Government protecting rights?

You got it backwards.

Why would we need a C5?

Ever heard of a truck?

And if there is no place to land, what's the use of one?

 

[layoutshooter]

Why can't police also be voluntary?

There is no federal law or constitutional requirement to have a law enforcement officer be employed by the state or city, is there?

Government protecting rights?

You got it backwards.

Why would we need a C5?

Ever heard of a truck?

And if there is no place to land, what's the use of one?

They can move far more goods quicker than trucks. Just as they did during Katrina. If there are no roads trucks won't work, trains won't if there is no rail. Just another resource.

Again, as I said, just a suggestion, more to show that there are ways to this WITHOUT the feds.

Never said police could not be voluntary.