Nancy Reagan.... R.I.P.
- Thread starter Ragman
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Obama if he is a Real Leader he will attend it. 
Why is that? Is it because sitting presidents usually go to the funerals of former First Ladies?
You can literally count on one hand how many times a sitting president has gone to a former First Lady's funeral.
Like I said, you can literally count on one hand how many times a sitting president has been to a former First Lady's funeral. And in every case, the president was a friend of the former First Lady or the family.
Zachary Taylor attended Dolley Madison's funeral in 1849 and became the first sitting president to attend a former First Lady's funeral. In his eulogy he gave us the term "first lady" and it's been applied to the wife of every president since. Dolley Madison had the equivalent of a State Funeral, which was attended by President Taylor, the Vide-President, cabinet officers, diplomatic corps, members of the House and Senate, Supreme Court justices, officers of the army and navy, the mayor and city leaders, and citizens and strangers. She was 81 years old, defined the position of the First Lady, and had known and was friends with every president from George Washington to Zachary Taylor.
Teddy Roosevelt attended Julia Grant's funeral 53 years later in 1902. Julia Grant was a fellow Republican and fellow New Yorker whom Roosevelt had known for years.
Teddy Roosevelt also attended the funeral of Ida McKinley in 1907. Roosevelt had been William McKinley's vice president and it was McKinley's assassination in 1901 that had propelled Roosevelt to the White House.
In 1962 JFK attended the funeral of Eleanor Roosevelt at the request of the family. She initially didn't think he should run for president, but after many conversations and correspondence between the two, she warmed up to him and gave him her full support, not only campaigning for him, but giving him advice and pointers on everything from the Nixon TV debate to how the White House works. She was the "First Lady of the World" who served as First Lady during the Great Depression and WWII, and it still to this day the longest serving First Lady. By the time of her death she and JFK had become good friends and she had become a trusted advisor.
Bill Clinton attended Jacqueline Kennedy's burial service because he was a longtime friend of the family, and was asked to deliver the eulogy at the burial.
Clinton did not actually attend the funeral service earlier in the day. But if you count the eulogy at the burial, then he makes the fifth president to attend a former First Lady's funeral. Either way, 5 fingers or 4, one hand is all ya need to count them.
Zachary Taylor attended Dolley Madison's funeral in 1849 and became the first sitting president to attend a former First Lady's funeral. In his eulogy he gave us the term "first lady" and it's been applied to the wife of every president since. Dolley Madison had the equivalent of a State Funeral, which was attended by President Taylor, the Vide-President, cabinet officers, diplomatic corps, members of the House and Senate, Supreme Court justices, officers of the army and navy, the mayor and city leaders, and citizens and strangers. She was 81 years old, defined the position of the First Lady, and had known and was friends with every president from George Washington to Zachary Taylor.
Teddy Roosevelt attended Julia Grant's funeral 53 years later in 1902. Julia Grant was a fellow Republican and fellow New Yorker whom Roosevelt had known for years.
Teddy Roosevelt also attended the funeral of Ida McKinley in 1907. Roosevelt had been William McKinley's vice president and it was McKinley's assassination in 1901 that had propelled Roosevelt to the White House.
In 1962 JFK attended the funeral of Eleanor Roosevelt at the request of the family. She initially didn't think he should run for president, but after many conversations and correspondence between the two, she warmed up to him and gave him her full support, not only campaigning for him, but giving him advice and pointers on everything from the Nixon TV debate to how the White House works. She was the "First Lady of the World" who served as First Lady during the Great Depression and WWII, and it still to this day the longest serving First Lady. By the time of her death she and JFK had become good friends and she had become a trusted advisor.
Bill Clinton attended Jacqueline Kennedy's burial service because he was a longtime friend of the family, and was asked to deliver the eulogy at the burial.
Clinton did not actually attend the funeral service earlier in the day. But if you count the eulogy at the burial, then he makes the fifth president to attend a former First Lady's funeral. Either way, 5 fingers or 4, one hand is all ya need to count them.
Windsor
Veteran Expediter
But it's Obama. If he offered to dig Nancy Reagans grave (may she RIP) "they" would still find something to jump on him about.
Windsor
Veteran Expediter
Oh their mad ENOUGH. The Republicans are paying attention to everything. Wich is a good thing. Unfortunately they payed attention to none of the crap that the president before Obama got away with. If you think Hillary should get endited then GWB should be sitting in solitary confinement in a hot Mexican prison.
Obama carried out military intervention in Libya without Congressional approval. He is ruthless against whistleblowers when they make him look bad (including one reporter who died under really bizarre circumstances), yet praises whistleblowers that make him look good. He gave Haliburton a $568 million no-bid contract, just like Bush did, just hours after the Justice Department had said it would pursue a lawsuit accusing Haliburton of using kickbacks to get foreign contracts. After campaigning that he wouldn't have any lobbyists like Bush did, within three years of his first term he had more than 40 lobbyist working for his administration. That number is now up to 60. He signed a stimulus bill into law that explicitly protected AIG executive bonuses, and then pretended to be outraged when the AIG paid $168 million in protected bonus money to its executives. He expanded Bush's unconstitutional faith-based programs. He supported and renewed Bush's unconstitutional Patriot Act. He signed into law the NDAA which allows him (and future presidents) to detain and hold US citizens from on, near, or even far away from a battlefield, indefinitely without charge or trial, simply by "deeming" them a threat to national security (which is code for "anything I want"). Ordered Boeing to fire 1000 employees and close a plant because it was a non-union factory. Operation Fast and Furious. And the big one, he has killed at least four US citizens (that we know of), using drones in targeted assassinations, without the judicial process.
And these yahoos want to get all bent out of shape because he didn't go to the funeral of Justice Antonin Scalia or former First Lady Nancy Reagan. <snort>
And these yahoos want to get all bent out of shape because he didn't go to the funeral of Justice Antonin Scalia or former First Lady Nancy Reagan. <snort>
Windsor
Veteran Expediter
Your right, Obama should have told congress that Libya had WMD's and then both parties in Congress would have believed his lie and definitely gave the go ahead for military intervention. I know that would have worked because it worked before. I'm also sure GWB has killed more US citizens then Obama has.
What?!? Oh, I see what you're trying to do there. You want to distract everyone from all the of the bad things Obama has done by bringing up how bad Bush was. I like the last line, too, it's like, "Oh, yeah? MY guy might be a turd, but the OTHER guy is an even BIGGER turd. Because Bush killed more people, I don't care if MY guy assassinated US citizens without due process. So there!"
My comments were about how people were making up stuff about Obama to be mad at him about, when they should be mad at the ACTUAL stuff he's done. You responded to that with, "Oh their mad ENOUGH," and I disagreed and therefor gave a small and rather incomplete list of the things that they really AREN'T mad enough about but should be.
What Bush did is irrelevant. Instead of being honest and just saying "Saddam tried to kill my daddy, so we're gonna go git him," he stood there and lied. We all know that, and we're all furious about it. But that has nothing to do with what Obama has done that people should be furious about.
I think it is in the democrats dna. There are people on Wall Street that cheated the tax system so everyone else should get everything for free. Seems to be their common argument.
Windsor
Veteran Expediter
I can't speak for all of them but I come from a long line of them. I grew up in Cleveland and spent 20 yrs in the carpenters union myself. My entire family, friends, neighbors ect. were in the trades, the auto plants, steel mills ect. My grandfather who is still kicking at 90 yrs old is a WWII veteran and my father and uncle (may they RIP) are Vietnam veterans. Growing up in Cleveland everyone around me for the most part were proud and very hard working ppl but what I can't recall is ANY OF THEM asking for a hand out or for anything to be free. Just about all them also happened to be democrats. You talk about what's in our DNA like you know. What's in the DNA of the ones I know is working your f...... ass of for what you have.
No, just the Democrats should pay for it.
Well you should be proud. For lack of a better term, they seem more like old style democrats from the Kennedy era. Kennedy wouldn't last a day in todays democratic party. Most of the democrats today are much different. Take a walk on just about any college campus and it is a eye opener as to how many of them see things. Just listening to the current politicians and who they are pandering to tells me all I need to hear and then look at the results. Republicans are just as much of a train wreck, just going down a different track. Don't see any politicians on the national stage I would be "proud" of. As for free stuff, when it is offered, surprise, guess who that voting block is?
Windsor
Veteran Expediter
That neighborhood in Berea Ohio I grew up in was large and boxed in by the airport, ford plant, metro park system and one of Clevelands largest railroad junctions. It was also filled with folks from that "voting block" you speak of. We were one of four white families in the entire neighborhood. My neighbors were all good hard working blue collar families for the most part. It was a great place to grow up. A lot of good times, good food and block parties. Lol they taught us how to BBQ and we taught our neighbors how to make corned beef, the Irish way. That neighborhood is where I met my wife (may she also RIP) who gave me an extremely beautiful daughter of mixed race. But looking back I still don't recall anyone getting anything for free. None of any of us had a lot but worked hard for what we did have. Those are the things I remember most about our "voting block"
What you said about Kennedy and the democrats today is true. I would also like to hear what Reagan, Roosevelt and Lincoln would say about the Donald.
Also I don't put much thought in to what we hear coming from college campuses because after college all their lives go in many different directions and so do their views.
What you said about Kennedy and the democrats today is true. I would also like to hear what Reagan, Roosevelt and Lincoln would say about the Donald.
Also I don't put much thought in to what we hear coming from college campuses because after college all their lives go in many different directions and so do their views.
Umm...no the colleges and exiting students don't change much. Look at professors. That is all you need to know.
They couldn't tolerate a opposing view if it killed them. What would old school republicans think about the Donald? No idea? I don't think any have him quite figured out yet. I do give him a thumbs up for knowing how to manipulate the media. On all the news cycles 24/7 and spends virtually nothing. All the others haven't figured it out.
As for freebies, again, look at the orgin, and the beneficiary. Don't have to go any deeper than that.
They couldn't tolerate a opposing view if it killed them. What would old school republicans think about the Donald? No idea? I don't think any have him quite figured out yet. I do give him a thumbs up for knowing how to manipulate the media. On all the news cycles 24/7 and spends virtually nothing. All the others haven't figured it out.
As for freebies, again, look at the orgin, and the beneficiary. Don't have to go any deeper than that.