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[tallcal101]

Rich,I'm glad you feel safer by the events going on in Iraq.I'm still sleeping without a gun next to my bed.Unfortunatly,when we invaded this sovern country,it tended to upset"a handful of hoodlums and ex bathist party members".They then called in a few of their friends from Syria and Jordan to come and help out,and all of a sudden it became clear we needed at least another 100,000 troops to get things in hand.
I guess in planning for the invation,somebody miscalculated a few things,like what happens if we upset a hornets nest in the neighborhood.Oooops.The end result is alot of misery for alot of Mothers and Fathers and sister and brothers and friends and just plain citizens.Yours truly included.
There is a Mother from,yes, California,who also lost a son,and camped outside W's rancho and just wanted W to ansewer a few questions,no big deal.He refused,and ignored her.
I hope she runs for office,as she is a true American hero

 

[ACE]

I hope this person from California would ask herself why more Americans die in California from murder in a year, than have died during the same time period in Iraq. She may be able to solve local issues like that if she was not in Texas.

Remember this is a volunteer military no one is forced to enlist.

 

[greg334]

I love this,

Look here is the problems facing us in Iraq.

First thing is that we have had to follow the UN, Amnesty international and the world communities by lowering our standards of warfare, humanitarian aid (remember can’t give a Muslim an MRE because it may contain something with Pork) and information gathering (torture). This indicated we are weak, like the rest of the non-Muslim world and in the Muslim world weak people simply are to be killed. You know the survival of the fittest?

The second thing is that we allow embedded journalists of all nations to join our fight in Iraq; big issues have been when a journalist needs to be protected by our troops. I talked to a wounded solder that would have never been wounded except for the idiot BBC reporter who decided to step into the line of fire. The other issue with this is that reporting outside of the control of the US military allows information to be leaked and puts more in harms way.

The third thing is not secure the borders around Iraq when we move into Iraq; this lesson was learned in other wars - Africa for one. This allowed people from other countries (fill in those countries) to walk across or even drive to fight our troops. Freedom fighters, Iraqis fighting to remove the invaders etc.. all a bunch of c**p, most of the people that are being killed are identified as people from outside of Iraq. Every Iraqi I know went back to their home land to rebuild, to fight for a form of democracy and to even join their new military. Some of these are Doctors and bankers, why would a banker go back to Iraq to join the military – maybe a belief that their country will be their country again? Talking to one last week who is now a police officer, he is confident that all this terrorism is going to stop soon. But he emphasized it is just that terrorism to scare the people in to thinking that the US is the enemy, not the people blowing up the Mosques or killing children.

The forth thing is we have a divided country here, not because we don’t have patriots on both sides of the issues but because we have a press who thinks they are above the laws and put the entire country in harms way, adding to the violence overseas because we are seen as weak. Going with this is a serious problem with the democrats (meaning the party leaders) and their two faced need to try to destroy a sitting president, cry about the past and not have a united front or a message that matters – all this aids an enemy that many think don’t exist here.

The last thing is the war protestors, no excuse for their existence if they aid the enemy, which that “mother†from California has been doing. I won’t say anything else about that “mother†from California other than she has no more right to speak for or against the war, the president or the country as I or you do but for some reason she has “special rightsâ€.

When you study the Muslim world, the people and their history, you understand a lot of the problems they have and we have with them. Working with them, having family friends who follow the religion and seeing first hand their devotion, hatred and things – it is hard to understand what is up with the capitulating group of idiots here in this country that follow the rhetoric that is spewed by the far left like a bunch of robots. (not you TallCal101)

 

[tallcal101]

Simply put Greg,60% of the American people don't believe anything you have put forth up till now.
They think this whole mess was a contrived mistake that has put us at greater risk.WE live in a democracy,and the people decide,not a talking head controlled by a drunk quail hunter.

 

[greg334]

>Simply put Greg,60% of the American people don't believe
>anything you have put forth up till now.
>They think this whole mess was a contrived mistake that has
>put us at greater risk.WE live in a democracy,and the people
>decide,not a talking head controlled by a drunk quail
>hunter.

60% from which poll? See tallcal101 many people who don't live in a box and don't prescribe to the rhetoric that the media is putting out are actaully tired of all of it and simply don't care. The media seems to think that 60% of population thinks this or that way, when it does not hold up by any measure until an election takes place. As for the Iraqi war, it seems that only 60% of the people who have no clue are against the war.

The message the public is getting from the left (democrats) through the media is so messed up and convoluted it is no longer funny and went beyond sane with the last Howard Dean/James Carvel spin. The sad fact is that the Democrats are being more divisive on issues that really matter; the issues that affect the pocket book. These other issues that seem to be part of an older and worn out play book seem to cause more people to discount real issues and ignore things that matter.

The truth is that I do somewhat agree with a few things of what people are saying that have been happening of late but the media, who I count as much as an enemy as the terrorist, have masked issues in the last week over this stupid d**b a** issue of the VP shooting someone, BIG DEAL, let it go. First the white house media staff cried about it which I question what purpose do they really serve and than an entire week of misinformation, speculation and stupid comments. I mean one thing I think that we need to really discuss is how to stop is the sale of the company that manages the ports in this country, I think this is a national security issue and it seems it gets no or little air time. Oh yea, I also feel that this is an impeachable offense.

 

[tallcal101]

Regarding"no big deal" about 5 time defered from the draft Mr.
Cheany,it appears that he was car hunting.He has admitted to having a beer for lunch prior to car hunting(illigal in most states).Just like everything else in this theater of the absurd,these above the law clueless imposters can justify any and all attempts to mislead the American people(oh,yes,giving an interview to FOXED news is like Ms. Butterworth giving an interview to the Pancake house).
"Investigations to follow"(famous last words).
Perhaps you are aware of the recent examples of the content Iraqi citizens,the Security Force death squads.Now theres a shining example of how well our forced "democratic"intervention is coming together.
Oh,yeh,and how about the new pictures of our folks just having a gay old time abusing innocent,mentally disturbed detainee's at Abu Grabe,makes me so proud to be an American,I just can't stand it.The white wash trial was very comforting.Now I know it was just a couple of low level ignorant grunts from somewhere east of Wheeling West Virgina,your basic throw away human beings(according to the official explination).I don't think so.
So put your faith in Fox news network,Greg,and continue to live in your shelterd world where all is red state all the time,all is honest government,all is good,and God is on our side.
Unfortunatly,you appear to be terminally brainwashed,too bad,as you have the capacity to see through the haze,but you must turn off Fox news first.

 

[greg334]

Tallcal101,

Ok?

I got to tell you assumptions are dangerous, I think that emotions are driving your responses, which are all right but I do appreciate your comments.

Brainwashed? Sorry I can’t agree and here is why.

I read the following as much as I can; London Times, New York Times, WSJ, U.S. News & World Report, Huffingtonpost.com, Deutsche Welle (English) and several other papers. Of course API, Reuters, CNN, NPR and other news wire sources.

I listen to the BBC; actually download their pod cast – From Our Own Correspondent, Today, In Business, In Our Time and a lot from their archive services. Beside the BBC, I listen to Rush, Hanitty, Savage, Beck, Leykis, Franken, Rhoades, Boortz (when I am in Atlanta) and several others who I can’t think of. I can’t help that there are more ‘right’ entertainers than on the ‘left’ – yes entertainers, not real news people.

I watch … when I do watch main stream TV news c**p – rare I might add – CNN, FOX, MSNBC, ABC, NBC, and CBS usually I just scan the channels because I get sick of the empty minded people telling me how I need to think. Oh I also watch MP, 60 Minutes (have been since 1968 and watching now as I write) and a couple others.

Brainwashed? You tell me how my diverse information intake habits cause me to be brainwashed. Like I said I don’t think this is a big deal, there are a lot of more important issues that need to be investigated and the media has failed all of us by focusing on this trivial issue.

As for Fox News interviewing Mr. Chaney, well wouldn’t you select a friendly news service with the press that hates you? I am sure you would and still maintain BIG DEAL, MOVE ON. Oh I didn’t see the interview and heard the sound bites on CNN a couple times.

As for a deferment, who cares, it seems that many (including Clinton) have done this, to me they stayed and didn’t run to Canada and Mexico. I can’t understand how we can complain about people who joined the guard or got a deferment but don’t look at the draft dodgers as criminals. Beside that, leaders do not all come from serving in the military, history has proven this time and again.

As for Abu Grabe, I do agree that there are serious issues with that, I think that the people involved should not only get punished, but should get the longest term of incarceration with hard labor, the general included. But to tell you the truth it is not the torture that bothers me, it was the sex tapes and other things that went on that only got a little press. I can’t stand people who feel sorry for Lyndie English, or for that matter can’t stand her - the pr** star she is, what a disgrace to the uniform and our country. There is a person (with her ‘boyfriend’) should be in jail for the rest of their lives.

As for torture, don’t think for a minute that this is something that can be avoided, it can’t and there is no country (or sovereign entity i.e. UN) that does not use torture to extract information. I know where I was, the UN “peace†keepers weren’t kind to the people they were there to help - beyond that I will not comment. Well anyway … torture…. I know that the previous government in Iraq and the culture caused worst to the populous at large and beside that I honestly can’t be sympathetic because of 9/11 – I want my family, you, everyone and my country protected at all costs limited to giving my basic rights away. You just don’t get these people and their need to kill.

I ask the moderator to lock this thread; it is too far from the original intent and I apologize to all for being sooo politically long winded.

Tallcal101, if you want to continue this lively discussion, PM me.

 

[davekc]

Good, bad, or indifferent, I actually like Fox news. They are slanted the same as CNN, but I enjoy their broadcast. If one wants the whole truth, it is likely somewhere in between.
It is the media. Their job is to entertain, not necessarily to pass factual information.




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