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Turtle

Turtle

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Beginning in 2015 women will be allowed for the first time to vote in Saudi Arabia. They will still not be able to vote in Vatican City. In North Korea women are not allowed to wear pants. Same with Sudan. Same with Swaziland. In France women are forbidden from wearing a burqa. Freedom of speech does not exist in China, North Korea, and many other countries. In Israel it is illegal for anybody anywhere in the world to call for or support a boycott of Israel.
 
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aristotle

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Turtle said:
Beginning in 2015 women will be allowed for the first time to vote in Saudi Arabia. They will still not be able to vote in Vatican City. In North Korea women are not allowed to wear pants. Same with Sudan. Same with Swaziland. In France women are forbidden from wearing a burqa. Freedom of speech does not exist in China, North Korea, and many other countries. In Israel it is illegal for anybody anywhere in the world to call for or support a boycott of Israel.
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Good for France.

There are many places in the United States where a head covering, sunglasses, scarf, mask or similar facial concealment device is prohibited.
 
Turtle

Turtle

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aristotle said:
Good for France.
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Why? It forces Muslim women to either abandon their religious practices, or remain under virtial house arrest.

There are many places in the United States where a head covering, sunglasses, scarf, mask or similar facial concealment device is prohibited.
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On a public street or in a park?
 
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aristotle

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Considering the repression imposed on Muslim women by male adherents of their faith, one might conclude Muslim females are tightly controlled and do live under virtual house arrest in some respects.

The burqa ban in France seems to be a security based act of legislation. No facial or identity concealment in public places. So long as the ban is applied evenly across all segments of French society, it isn't discriminatory.
 
Turtle

Turtle

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aristotle said:
Considering the repression imposed on Muslim women by male adherents of their faith, one might conclude Muslim females are tightly controlled and do live under virtual house arrest in some respects.
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The term "repression" is subjective, and relative. One person's repression is another's freedom to worship as they please. Many people believe, for example, that Christian women are repressed by their church and their husbands. Christian men, and most Christian women disagree, of course, just as many Muslim women disagree that they are being repressed.

The burqa ban in France seems to be a security based act of legislation. No facial or identity concealment in public places. So long as the ban is applied evenly across all segments of French society, it isn't discriminatory.
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It may seem that way, but it's not. The fact that it's evenly applied is moot, since only one segment of French society wants to cover their faces. It's about as non-discriminatory as a law banning a small, round red dot artificially applied to the forehead, because it effects everybody. The "burqa ban" as it is known over there was passed into law under Sarkosky amid his anti-immigration Crusade with anti-Muslim being at its foundation (Muslims make up by far the greatest number of immigrants in France). Shortly after France passed the law Belgium followed suit, but then quickly backtracked. It's security based allright, but only so France can be secure from Muslim immigrants.

One immutable truth when it comes to people is, sustainable cultural change can come only though free will, not compulsion. The stronger the compulsion, the more ingrained the resistance. Nearly 50 years after forced integration in this country, black/white relations just suck. There's a seething racist hatred that permeates America not unlike a SBD fart blamed on the dog. The "all things gay is wonderful" backlash's time is coming, too.
 
RLENT

RLENT

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aristotle said:
Considering the repression imposed on Muslim women by male adherents of their faith, one might conclude Muslim females are tightly controlled and do live under virtual house arrest in some respects.
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ROTFLMAO ...

While I wouldn't deny that what you say is true to some degree in some places, it isn't monolithically true as you would like to portray ...

Spend a little time hanging out on Twitter reading what young Muslim females are tweeting ... you'll be shocked I'm sure ...
 
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aristotle

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Some European nations are becoming reactionary in response to an influx of Muslim immigrants. Assimilation into the host country is expected. Some minority groups strongly resist assimilation which causes mistrust and tension.

If the European nations continue to experience dwindling birthrates among the Old Stock, well they are doomed to be replaced by a more vibrant branch of the human tree. Same here in the US.
 
RLENT

RLENT

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Read what they write:

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layoutshooter

layoutshooter

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There is only one problem with allowing the covering of faces, identification for legal issues. It's REALLY hard to identify a person suspected of a crime when they wear a mask.

The remainder of the clothing could also be an issue, just as it is with the Amish. Long, loose, baggy, clothing makes shoplifting easier. When I was at Cabela's we would get buss loads of Amish come to the store. They had to be watched, REALLY, watched, they were famous for shoplifting. No reason to believe that a Muslim woman, or man, would not try to take advantage of the same. Also makes it easy to conceal weapons, legal or illegal.

Just other sides to the coin.
 
RLENT

RLENT

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layoutshooter said:
There is only one problem with allowing the covering of faces, identification for legal issues. It's REALLY hard to identify a person suspected of a crime when they wear a mask.
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So are you advocating that the wearing of masks or face coverings should be illegal here in the US ?

Seems like that might put quite a damper on Halloween and Mardi Gras, to name just two occasions that come quickly to mind ...

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The remainder of the clothing could also be an issue, just as it is with the Amish. Long, loose, baggy, clothing makes shoplifting easier. When I was at Cabela's we would get buss loads of Amish come to the store. They had to be watched, REALLY, watched, they were famous for shoplifting. No reason to believe that a Muslim woman, or man, would not try to take advantage of the same. Also makes it easy to conceal weapons, legal or illegal.

Just other sides to the coin.
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So are you advocating that the wearing of long, loose, baggy, clothing should be illegal here in the US ?

Government dictating what's prohibited as far as apparel and clothing ?
 
RLENT

RLENT

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layoutshooter said:
The remainder of the clothing could also be an issue, just as it is with the Amish. Long, loose, baggy, clothing makes shoplifting easier. When I was at Cabela's we would get buss loads of Amish come to the store. They had to be watched, REALLY, watched, they were famous for shoplifting.
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During your employment with Cabela's, were any of these supposedly "famous" Amish shoplifters ever actually caught, arrested, and prosecuted?
 
cheri1122

cheri1122

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No mention of when the law [in Lexington] was enacted - there are gazillions of state & local ordinances that were enacted a very long time ago, and never changed, even though they're ridiculous now.
Any law like the mask law needs to be applied with common sense and cognizance of the circs. As in the incident cited, the wearer is not a mature adult mentally, but his intentions weren't to deceive anyone, or hide his real identity, he just thought the mask goes with the Batman shirt. Anyone who's ever had a little boy would understand that, lol.
 
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