Modern Life In Iran.

RLENT

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Well this certainly seems to have the potential to further enrage Mr. Netanyahu ... since it seems to fly directly in the face of the narrative he's trying to construct ...

Marsha Cohen of the Inter Press News Service details and analyzes the results of the Anti-Defamation League's latest survey on anti-semitism, the Global 100: An Index of Anti-Semitism:

ADL Survey Shows Iran Least Anti-Semitic Middle East Country | IPS Writers in the Blogosphere

Interestingly, it appears Israel itself was not surveyed ... or if it was the results were not included ...
 
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aristotle

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Please stay on topic. This thread is to discuss sharia practices in current Iran which includes gouging out eyes, chopping of ears, chopping off a nose.

Attempts to hijack a thread are not appreciated.
 

RLENT

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Please stay on topic. This thread is to discuss sharia practices in current Iran which includes gouging out eyes, chopping of ears, chopping off a nose.

Attempts to hijack a thread are not appreciated.
I'm sorry ...

I thought - as a consequence of the plain meaning of the thread title - that this thread was about "Modern Life In Iran" ...

Since nothing in the OP clearly indicated that this thread was so narrowly focused and constrained, I simply assumed that the OP was offering up what might be one aspect of "Modern Life In Iran" ...

That we cannot change thread titles after they are created is certainly a short-coming of the software that I find frustrating ...
 

aristotle

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I'm sorry ...

I thought - as a consequence of the plain meaning of the thread title - that this thread was about "Modern Life In Iran" ...

Since nothing in the OP clearly indicated that this thread was so narrowly focused and constrained, I simply assumed that the OP was offering up what might be one aspect of "Modern Life In Iran" ...

That we cannot change thread titles after they are created is certainly a short-coming of the software that I find frustrating ...

Your frustration will end if you read the first post.
 

RLENT

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Your frustration will end if you read the first post.
LOL ... you appear to be confusing frustration with simple bemusement ...

In any event ...

What you would consider to be the appropriate punishment for such a crime as is described in the article linked in the OP - pouring acid on a girl and depriving her of her sight ?

Fifty dollars fine ... and court costs ?
 

RLENT

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No confusion here. You just admitted to being frustrated, which was obvious without mention.
Clearly there may be a reading comprehension problem here, as well as a inclination to flee from logical thought:

What I said was that I find the inability to change the title of threads after they are created frustrating ...

Since I am not presently trying to change a thread title, it seems fairly likely to follow that I am not presently frustrated by that limitation ...

Logic: it's a wondeful thing ... but only if you actually use it ... correctly ...
 

aristotle

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Clearly there may be a reading comprehension problem here, as well as a inclination to flee from logical thought:

What I said was that I find the inability to change the title of threads after they are created frustrating ...

Since I am not presently trying to change a thread title, it seems fairly likely to follow that I am not presently frustrated by that limitation ...

Logic: it's a wondeful thing ... but only if you actually use it ... correctly ...

RLENT... you really are a piece of work. I scored at the 95th percentile in both Analytical Reasoning and Logical Reasoning when I sat for the Law School Admission Test(LSAT). You wouldn't know logic if it bit your behind. Get lost.
 

RLENT

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RLENT... you really are a piece of work.
You and my wife seem to be of a like mind ...

I scored at the 95th percentile in both Analytical Reasoning and Logical Reasoning when I sat for the Law School Admission Test(LSAT). You wouldn't know logic if it bit your behind.
As you have surely demonstrated from all of your many, many responses to my posts ... addressing their substantive points, and clearly refuting them ...

Oh ... wait ... nevermind ...

Get lost.
What was that you were just saying ... something about being "frustrated" wasn't it ?

BTW: thanks for your quick and detailed response to my question above on what you feel is an appropriate punishment.

Oh ... wait ... nevermind ...
 
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RLENT

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ari,

You know ... it just occurred to me why some folks might be reluctant to answer up on the question I asked you earlier regarding what would be appropriate punishment for the crime mentioned in the article in the OP:

While there are many who would condemn the punishment the man was sentenced to as being utterly barbaric - which it certainly is - it isn't real hard to imagine that there would be some - including a number of good "Christian" folks - who would call for the ultimate in punishment: the death penalty ...

So ... that begs the question: which is actually more barbarous ... the punishment which allows someone to live, albeit disfigured ... or the one which requires the taking of a human life ?

I greatly look forward to hearing from any (supposedly) "pro-life" folks in regard to this ... assuming the cognitive dissonance isn't too great for them to overcome of course ...
 

Turtle

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RLENT... you really are a piece of work. I scored at the 95th percentile in both Analytical Reasoning and Logical Reasoning when I sat for the Law School Admission Test(LSAT). You wouldn't know logic if it bit your behind. Get lost.
RLENT complains (albeit off topic) to being frustrated in not being able to change a thread title, and you inform him that his frustration on that issue will end if he would only go back up and read the first post in this thread. I'd love to know the analytical and logical reasoning for that response. But that would, of course, also be off topic, as the topic of this thread is strictly about a specific case in a single country where religious law and punishment has supplanted the secular law and punishment.

In that context, the punishment seems to be rather justified, as the ruling religious text of the Qur'an states (Chapter 5, Verse 45), "Life for life, eye for eye, nose for nose, ear for ear, tooth for tooth, and wounds equal for equal." It goes on to say that if the victim forgives the perpetrator, then the perpetrator is expiated of his crime, but also states that, "Those who do not judge according to what God has revealed are unjust." So the judges really have no choice, under Islamic law, but to dole out the punishments ordained by God.

I, too, would be interested in what others would consider an appropriate punishment in this case, considering the fact that any punishment outside the retributive justice of the religious law would be a direct disobeying of the religion and an affront to God.

If I'm not mistaken, there are other Abrahamic religions that have similar decrees about justice. So it's probably a good thing that so few countries use religion as part and parcel of their state laws and that a very small percentage of the world's population are subject to that kind of barbaric subjugation.
 

Pilgrim

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In 2014, the highest court in Iran has ordered the gouging out of eyes, chopping off ears and a nose as a means of staying true to Islamic law.

Iran: Top Court Orders Man's Eyes to be Gouged Out and Ears Chopped for Pouring Acid on Girl
It would seem the topic of this thread is easily determined by reading the short article and recognizing that Iran's current mullahocracy still adheres to the backward and barbaric practices dictated by Sharia law. It will be interesting to see how they apply their 6th century mindset to the administration of their 21st century nuclear capabilities, which will likely include warheads and their delivery systems. Will these will be used to subjugate, convert or destroy their enemies as dictated by their holy book?
 

RLENT

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Still no takers on that "what punishment is appropriate ?" question I see ... I'll check back later ...
 

muttly

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In the U.S. we don't sanction mutilating someone for committing a crime. We only put someone to death who commits a murder, and the crime has to be heinous with other circumstances. In the U.S. in some instances, a murderer can serve his time in prison and then be a free person again.
 

RLENT

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In the U.S. we don't sanction mutilating someone for committing a crime.
True ... other than the eight states which allow what might be considered the ultimate mutilation: chemical or surgical castration of sex offenders ...

We only put someone to death who commits a murder, and the crime has to be heinous with other circumstances.
Not entirely accurate:

Capital punishment in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In the U.S. in some instances, a murderer can serve his time in prison and then be a free person again.
Also true ... but then under sharia a murderer can be forgiven for his crime and be expiated of the offense by paying for atonement.

Which is more barbarous: a legal system which in some instances demands death ... or one that allows for forgiveness and atonement without the further sacrifice of an additional God-given life ?
 

muttly

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True ... other than the eight states which allow what might be considered the ultimate mutilation: chemical or surgical castration of sex offenders ...


Not entirely accurate:

Capital punishment in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


Also true ... but then under sharia a murderer can be forgiven for his crime and be expiated of the offense by paying for atonement.

Which is more barbarous: a legal system which in some instances demands death ... or one that allows for forgiveness and atonement without the further sacrifice of an additional God-given life ?
The Wikipedia definition you posted ,specifies aggravated murder, which is the example I gave.
Chemical castration certainly is not in the same league as gouging someone ones eyes out. It is more like a reverse Viagra pill. If they stop taking it it is also reversible. Ask a family of victim of a heinous murder. Would you rather have them lethal injected or have their eyes gouged out and their limbs cut off sitting in a cell for the rest of their life?
What punishment would incurr greater suffering?
The answer to the other question about the acid victim: The punishment would be life imprisonment.
 

RLENT

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The Wikipedia definition you posted ,specifies aggravated murder, which is the example I gave.
You need to read a little further if that was all you saw.

Chemical castration certainly is not in the same league as gouging someone ones eyes out. It is more like a reverse Viagra pill. If they stop taking it it is also reversible.
You focus solely on chemical castration ... while completely ignoring surgical castration ...

How convenient !

Ask a family of victim of a heinous murder. Would you rather have them lethal injected or have their eyes gouged out and their limbs cut off sitting in a cell for the rest of their life?

What punishment would incurr greater suffering?
A truly great "pro-life" answer ...
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But nonetheless it is an interesting answer - since it appears to make an assessment as to what sort of "life" has a higher intrinsic value and what sorts might not ...

Short trip from there to deciding what "life" is worthy of continued survival ... and what life ought to just be put out of its misery ... all in the name of "kindness", the alleviation of "suffering" and "humanity" of course ...

But to answer your question: I guess that might depend on how much the perp values his life ...

The answer to the other question about the acid victim: The punishment would be life imprisonment.
Well, at least you (eventually) managed to answer up ... which a far sight better than some ... ;)
 
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