Missing the Point on Speed limiters
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Turtle, how was operating a motor vehicle ever a right? There's no such reference in the Bill of Rights. A person can travel freely without driving.
The speed limiter law is a way for Canada to limit the number of American trucks carrying freight into there country which someone previously said is or at least should be in violation of AFTA and the U.S. should set minimum speed limits just above the speed limiters.
How do you figure it's a violation of NAFTA? The LEGAL limit is 60 mph in Ontario....they are giving you up to 65mph.....they are not restricting your speed per say......the only restriction is they are taking away your right to break the law.
To add a drivers license is the property of the issuing state and can be revoked.....for inappropriate behavior..
To think it is not your right to drive on Detroit roads...it is a priviledge!! Priceless...
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Everything that you can do is a right, you have the right to do it, right up until the point they pass a law against it, or until they pass a law against doing it without a licensing to do it.
Prior to 1918 you could drive a car without restriction, without having to obtain a license for the privilege to drive.
In the US, we currently have the right to fly ultralight aircraft with the only restrictions being daylight hours of flight and not over populated areas. Anyone can do it, at any age, it is not a privilege. No license required. If they become too popular, we'll lose that right and will have to prove worthiness to the State in order to fly one.
I've got a neighbor kid who has one. It's very kewl. Looks like a cross between a swamp buggy, a go-cart and a parachute.
A ripe Yeti could be out back having lunch at our picnic table with two killer whales and a Klingon, and neither of my dogs would care, but when this ultralight passes overhead, both dogs lose their mind. I mean, they absolutely go stark raving bonkers. It's like a couple of Daffy Ducks spazzed out on cocaine and coffee. It's the funniest thing I've ever seen.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Turtle, I need to understand that what I have/had in my collection is not what you are talking about. I still have left licenses going back to the turn of the century for individuals, including a number of pins and badges that were issued by the different states (licenses were not always in paper form). I even have some test booklets and actual tests from this time.
There were a lot of restrictions on drivers at during the first years of the auto and the licensing of the driver and car, ranged from paying special taxes to convoluted tests to stupid requirements to ensure the safety of the public like 5 mph or use of a horn while approaching any intersection. A lot of the restrictions were eased as people were buying more cars most of the worst restrictions were lifted by 1913 when there was a surge of motoring and the creation of a national highway system. The only thing I can see 1918 brought was the influx of returning vets but then there were material shortages and manufacturers struggled with demand and this could have change the requirements.
Sorry about the typo. In my initial reply in this thread I used the correct date of 1913, and mistakenly typed 1918 here. Again, sorry about that.
The inventor of the modern automobile, Karl Benz, was tooling around town in his noisy, smelly car and the otherwise lovely people of Mannheim complained loudly and often. So, he went to the Grand Ducal (Grand Duchy of Baden) authorities and obtained written permission to drive his motorcar on the public roads. For the next several years all European authorities issued such similar "licenses" in the same ad hoc manner. It was Prussia, in 1903, who first required mandatory testing and licensing for automobiles. The testing was primarily about the driver's mechanical aptitude and were administered by the steam boiler supervision association.
In 1910 Germany mandated the licensing on a national scale, establishing a system of driver training, education and licensing that would eventually become the model for other countries.
Auto accidents and fatalities began mounting in the US, and the public demanded action, which prompted legislators to study the German and French systems of licensing. It was August 1, 1910, that the very first licensing law went into effect in the United States, in New York, and only applied to professional chauffeurs. In 1913 the state of New Jersey became the first state to require any and all drivers, not just chauffeurs, to obtain a driver's license issued by the state to operate a motorcar. Other states quickly followed suit.
Any licenses, pins or badges issued prior to the state legislating a law for licensing, was issued for some reason other than a law requiring it. There may have been some local ordinances that required some type of license. I know that in (I think) 1908 or 1905, something like that, Philadelphia had an ordinance that required a license for motorcars to operate in certain areas of the city, the busy sections of town, but other than that you were good to go.
The inventor of the modern automobile, Karl Benz, was tooling around town in his noisy, smelly car and the otherwise lovely people of Mannheim complained loudly and often. So, he went to the Grand Ducal (Grand Duchy of Baden) authorities and obtained written permission to drive his motorcar on the public roads. For the next several years all European authorities issued such similar "licenses" in the same ad hoc manner. It was Prussia, in 1903, who first required mandatory testing and licensing for automobiles. The testing was primarily about the driver's mechanical aptitude and were administered by the steam boiler supervision association.
In 1910 Germany mandated the licensing on a national scale, establishing a system of driver training, education and licensing that would eventually become the model for other countries.
Auto accidents and fatalities began mounting in the US, and the public demanded action, which prompted legislators to study the German and French systems of licensing. It was August 1, 1910, that the very first licensing law went into effect in the United States, in New York, and only applied to professional chauffeurs. In 1913 the state of New Jersey became the first state to require any and all drivers, not just chauffeurs, to obtain a driver's license issued by the state to operate a motorcar. Other states quickly followed suit.
Any licenses, pins or badges issued prior to the state legislating a law for licensing, was issued for some reason other than a law requiring it. There may have been some local ordinances that required some type of license. I know that in (I think) 1908 or 1905, something like that, Philadelphia had an ordinance that required a license for motorcars to operate in certain areas of the city, the busy sections of town, but other than that you were good to go.
wellarmed
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Ontariovanman, If there putting uneeded restrictions on trucks that they know some owners wiil not want to comply with than they are willingly limiting the number of American trucks that cross the boarder. As said in previous posts, speed limit signs are speed control and they need to inforce them not force people to spend money and add things to there truck that they don't want or need if this law was for all vehicles in canada it would make more sence. Not just trucks.
I agree....I don't like it either its stupid and not well thought out....But its a law...there is lots of laws I don't like...but live with or without....
The speed limiters are just like Red Light Cameras and speed cameras. The laws are already there, but using hardware limiters and cameras make them easier to enforce.
Ever been to London? It's the same as a Vegas casino - no cameras in the restrooms, but they're everywhere else.
On the wall outside his former residence - flat number 27B - where George Orwell ("Nineteen-Eighty-Four") lived until his death in 1950, an historical plaque commemorates the anti-authoritarian author. And within 200 yards of the flat, there are 32 CCTV cameras, scanning every move in every direction, capturing people's images who walk down the street, enter or emerge from shops and homes, generally minding their own business.
Britain has a staggering 4.2million CCTV cameras - one for every 14 people in the country - and fully 20 per cent of all CCTV cameras globally. It has been calculated that each person is caught on camera an average of 300 times daily.
Oh, don't worry, we got 'em here, too.
But most are a lot less threatening, like the small wireless camera near the top of a light post:
We're not there, yet, but someday....
Ever been to London? It's the same as a Vegas casino - no cameras in the restrooms, but they're everywhere else.
On the wall outside his former residence - flat number 27B - where George Orwell ("Nineteen-Eighty-Four") lived until his death in 1950, an historical plaque commemorates the anti-authoritarian author. And within 200 yards of the flat, there are 32 CCTV cameras, scanning every move in every direction, capturing people's images who walk down the street, enter or emerge from shops and homes, generally minding their own business.
Britain has a staggering 4.2million CCTV cameras - one for every 14 people in the country - and fully 20 per cent of all CCTV cameras globally. It has been calculated that each person is caught on camera an average of 300 times daily.
Oh, don't worry, we got 'em here, too.
But most are a lot less threatening, like the small wireless camera near the top of a light post:
We're not there, yet, but someday....
Ever counted the cameras on a Walmart rooftop? And light poles in parking lot?....That is not even talking of the inside...they must spend a fortune on cameras....
The speed limiters are just like Red Light Cameras and speed cameras. The laws are already there, but using hardware limiters and cameras make them easier to enforce.
Ever been to London? It's the same as a Vegas casino - no cameras in the restrooms, but they're everywhere else.
On the wall outside his former residence - flat number 27B - where George Orwell ("Nineteen-Eighty-Four") lived until his death in 1950, an historical plaque commemorates the anti-authoritarian author. And within 200 yards of the flat, there are 32 CCTV cameras, scanning every move in every direction, capturing people's images who walk down the street, enter or emerge from shops and homes, generally minding their own business.
Britain has a staggering 4.2million CCTV cameras - one for every 14 people in the country - and fully 20 per cent of all CCTV cameras globally. It has been calculated that each person is caught on camera an average of 300 times daily.
Oh, don't worry, we got 'em here, too.
But most are a lot less threatening, like the small wireless camera near the top of a light post:
We're not there, yet, but someday....
Remember a couple years ago some in here got bent out of shape about photo radar and the violations of rights....funny thing they were bought from Ontario when the government was under fire and an election to get rid of them by the people....now who is the socialist country? *LOL*