Misconceptions in truckin

Roadpig

Expert Expediter
I usually try to avoid long, preachy posts on these boards, but I have seen some comments on here that border on the just plain ignorant. Chiefly among these comments are the following:

A)Teams should only be offered team runs.

What the blazin' heck does this mean? Being a team operation means that you can continuously run freight without having to take the same breaks a single does. It means that you might take a 20o mile load, and then a 600 mile load without worry of having to break. That 60 mile load now might lead to a 1500 mile load in the evening.

However there are some teams that can't get stuck off of the notion that teams should only be offered "long loads". Hey, wanna know something about those long loads? Sometimes they get ya stuck in the worst areas.... and while you're waiting for another long load to get you back into civilazation your profits decrease. Time is money in this business, and when you spend it parked at Wal Mart in California for two days you are kissing dollars good-bye.

I would much rather take back to back 200-300 mile loads that keep me moving. Or better yet give me back to back minis that pay me a minimum charge.

And then there are team operations that seem to think that any load that is offered to them at less than 700 miles is a personal insult, which leads me to the next misconception.

B) Dispatchers have control over how many loads they have or what they can offer you.

The company that I work for is very open, and I have had several occasions to sit with the dispatchers while I am on layover and watch them work. These are good, hardworking people. And most of them care about the drivers that they work with. But they have NO control over what they offer a truck. A customer calls them, requests a certain type of unit and the dispatcher has to try to find a truck for that customer. It is simple as that. It would be STUPID if a dispatcher were to tell a customer that they wouldn't take a load from them because it is too short or doesn't have enuff for FSC. That customer would be very unlikely to call that company back again.

Dispatchers can only offer the freight that customers give them. And for the most part they distribute the freight fairly based on who has been sittin the longest or whose closest to pick up the load.

If a dispatcher has a mini called into them and the only truck available is a team, they cant tell the customer that it is too short. They may not even want to tie a truck up on s hort load just in case a longer load comes up that they'd have to pass on, but what type of business would refuse a customer because the request isnt ideal?


and just a note, dispatchers aren't rich. Ive talked to alot of drivers out on the road that think that everyone that works for a trucking company or works in an office has tons of money. The truth is that many of us make much more than our dispatchers. Dispatching is usually a entry level position and these people work hard for what they do. They are stuck between there customer and working with us.

And at my company I consider most of them my friends.


Although there are a few I would like to thump in the head. But there are also plenty of my fellow drivers that i'd like to give a thumpin' to.

If any of you ever get a chance, and your company allows it, sit with a dispatcher for an afternoon. I learned alot, and was able to clear up lot of my own misconceptions.
 

davekc

Senior Moderator
Staff member
Fleet Owner
I would agree with alot of your observations.. Having realistic expectations often clashes with personal expectations that the industry can't meet or support.
Watch closely as the names of those that are unrealistic, will not likely be here next year. After many years here, you do see a pattern.








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raceman

Veteran Expediter
Roadpig, I agree as well. As for being rich? When I had drivers they thought I was rich because I had trucks. The bottom line is I had loans for trucks. They thought I just set back and counted my money. I am not sure why people think this about anyone who is in business but they do.
I have found that in what I do the shorter the run the more the money. I have had a dedicated customer for almost two years and running my route is one part of it. I will also do other runs as time permits and I can assure you a 12 mile run pays better than a 100 mile run and that is a very real story.
I can assure you a 35 mile run pays better than a 300 mile and that two is a very real story.
I have just under two years worth of those examples and I have settlement summaries to back them up.
Now I am not running for an expediter any longer but I am still in that general business.
When I was with Tri State and had a team driver with me, two different drivers over the time, they would go nuts when I would take an 80 or 90 mile run. The difference is I am still trucking and they are not.

Raceman
Dedicated O/O
OOIDA 741748
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
What you say is true, for the bigger companies. However, the smaller companies usually have a set price per mile, with FSC included in the price. And their customers are, more often than not, other expediting companies. When you have dispatch looking for particular loads, they can pick and choose when it comes to the length of the run.

I, for one, don't mind minis. I think minis are good if you can get them in groups of 3 or 4 a day. Other than that, I couldn't stand taking one across to Canada, dh back, then get another offer to Canada. That happened all too often. Shorter runs give a nice break, once in awhile, or like I said, when making a living off a few a day. Other than that, they break up your logbook too much.

As far as reasonable expectations, I think expecting teams to run back to back to back minis is expecting them to turn in their qualcomm after awhile of that. Chicken wings are nice, but there isn't a lot of meat to share.

Race... my nephew and I drove for a guy who had 5 older trucks (97-98), and was a penny-pinching sob. When we signed on, the recruiter was saying, "Did you see this guy's house? His kitchen is the size of..." It didn't take long before we knew why. When he's too cheap to properly fix a hole in the box floor, or refuses to change bad injectors, yeah... you can save up good money being skimpy.

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas
 

chuckwagon

Seasoned Expediter
I am finding out that those mini runs can be good - they can not be all that hot - it just all depends.
It may work for me one day - but not the next.
It may be fine for me because I am in one area - but I don't think it would be good to move out of this area to place me in another area.
What I am saying is - the situation dictates to me weather I want to take a mini, acouple of mini's or nothing at all and just wait for somethiing else.
The bottom line is - decide what it will take for you to put the truck into first gear, be it a set dollar amount per mile, a set net amount per mile, or what it would break down per hour for you to move the truck down the ole' highway.
It is different for all of us be it mini's or a long haul.
 

marvinkwagner

Not a Member
I agree

However too many single runs gives ya a bad rep so does taking all the low paying crap then they have a tendency to just keep giving ya that type of crap.

I did take every run they gave me I found out ya cant support your family and see them if you do.

I pick and choose to support my family its about them, Not some award.

Before I went for the award not worth it. Ya I did it. TOOT TOOT

But I admit It was not worth it. I wont go down that road again my family comes first.

If any one dont agree you have your right.

awards are nice but paying the bills is more important.

I wont do it again and I dont care who says what.

If the Boss ever tells me to do it again, well I fired one Boss I will fire another. There more fish in the Sea to Work for.

Right VESPA

Kevin
 

Bruno

Veteran Expediter
Fleet Owner
US Marines
I agree with you 100% Raceman, Just because someone has a few trucks that don't make them RICH. I had a driver that thought we was loaded with all kinds of money and wanted to buy everything for the truck he was driving. He told his Co Driver these guys must be loaded. It's funny how someone can be nice to your face as a driver but behind your back your an SOB. I even changed my Screen on EO because my wife ask me too because of all the nasty e-mail from a driver we let go.

Their are alot of great fleet owner's on here and some great one truck owner's too. We try to help everyone that we talk to on here because we feel everyone on here and EW are like Family.
 

lgrunner

Seasoned Expediter
How many minis do you think a large carrier covers every day in a hot market, like say Chicago? Versus: How many drivers are on the Chicago board each day? If you just dropped in Chicagoland, and you're now at the bottom of a LONG board....would you agree to exclusively run minis all day(s) from Chicago to Rockford To Chicago, etc., while waiting to advance up the board? I have no idea if they still do it, but LEA's Rockford office had one driver doing 10-18 of these a day, all the time...he didn't go OTR. Was this driver profitable? Do the math!! I asked a Panther recruiter if such a situation could be developed with them in this market, of course his response was "that's NOT the way we do it"...DUH! In these large markets, I think any big carrier being this shortsighted is guilty of grossly mismanaging their fleet resources and it only serves to infuriate ALL the O/O's who are trying to maximize their profitability AND stay compliant. This should be doable for each of the big boys with enough volume in the larger markets.
 

highway star

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
As someone who's done local runs, I have to wonder about the 10 to 18 number you were given. Things would have to be too perfect to hit 10, let alone more than that.
 

raceman

Veteran Expediter
lgrunner, if I am reading your post right, that is exactly what I do and why I got into it. There are a lot of 100 and less mile runs everyday that the big companies may or may not take and they certainly will not dedicate one truck to it.

Actually I am freinds with a TST driver here in town that does exactly what I do but does it via TST. That is the only company I have ever heard of just putting a truck in an area for all those type runs. Hell he moved here to Cincinnati and like me, he is home every night.

Raceman
Dedicated O/O
OOIDA 741748
 

lgrunner

Seasoned Expediter
Well, this individual ran a D unit. When starting his day in Rockford, he would typically visit several DIFFERENT Camcar/Textron plants in the area (Rockford has about 10 seperate Textron affiliate locations within the Rockford marketplace) and pick-up 2-3 pieces at each location. These would deliver at various job shops/outside vendors within the Chicagoland area, or maybe they'd ALL get dropped at the same location(bonus!) By this time, they had a new pick up route planned for him in Chicagoland....heading back to the Rockford plants. Depending on the size of each load carried, he would usually make 2 turns a day to achieve 10-18 loads. Don't forget, this large number of daily loads were each paid for at a B rate. Back then, LEA charged Camcar a flat rate for any Chicagoland mini; $105.00x62%= $65 to the truck. I know all this as I was all too briefly exposed to this routine. This driver suddenly "disappeared" to go into his uncle's 18 wheeler OTR. The Rockford office manager begged me to come in off the road and take over the minis....which I did, in my CV quite sucessfully for 1 month. The first 2 weeks, Iwas positively giddy....grossing $300 on a couple of slow days and over $600 on the really LONG days/nights and sleeping at home nightly. Sadly, the other driver came back.....NOT liking OTR very much, and they basically started feeding him all the juicy multi-stop loads, leaving paltry scraps for me. It actually took me 2 weeks of this treatment to fully realize the kind of allegiances and favortism the LEA dispather was exhibiting. Of course.......I went back to running the system. This was the mid 90's into 2001, when I parted company with LEA....so I have no knowledge if they still operate that way or not.
 

Tennesseahawk

Veteran Expediter
If I could find enough minis around Detroit, that would be exactly what I want. I'm sure Panther has enough minis around Detroit, Chicago, and Nashville to keep more than a few drivers happy. However, they think they have to "spread the wealth". HAHAHA I kill me! TOOT TOOT :7

Race... believe it or not, E1 has local trucks doing the Chicago thing. Not sure if they're company or o/o tho.

"If I claim to be a wise man, it surely means that I don't know." - Kansas
 

raceman

Veteran Expediter
Hawk you are correct sir. Those used to be company trucks. Not sure if they are now or not.

I always asked E1 and Tri State for something like that and always heard the spreading the wealth talk.

There is plenty of it out there. Just gotta do it on your own for a find a little company that will let you do it.


Raceman
Dedicated O/O
OOIDA 741748
 

X1_SRH

Expert Expediter
Roadpig,

Well Stated. Expectations are what will make or break a career in this business.

Now here is my 2 cents (maybe a little more)

To ensure success an individual needs to know what this industry CAN and CAN NOT do. It is what it is... This website is the absolute best source to esatablish realistic expectations before entering this industry, provided an individual does not keep reading until they see what they want to see, and then stop reading.

If you have realistic expectations and understand what the maximum yield will regularly be a person can make a nice living and have a total blast while they are out there doing it. I did. I'm not special, and I know it can still be done. An individual has just got to find a company that fits their personality. If they just want to blend into a crowd then all they can ever expect is middle of the road numbers. Your attitude will determine your altitude. It sounds hokey, but it is the truth. I won't argue this point - There is no counterpoint. If a person does not want to be the best, or is unwilling to do what it takes to be the best, then they never will be. They have relegated themselves to the middle of the pack. Being the best means being a valuable resource to your company - and they DO notice that kind of work ethic. To be at the top of your game a contractor needs to take the good with the bad - and see themselves as a representative of that company (an Ambassador) - not just somebody that drives a truck to make a few bucks.

When someone has unrealistic expectations they will be miserable out there and end up trying to make everyone else miserable along the way. They want something that can never happen.

True success will be found within the parameters of what this industry can and cannot do. It is impossible for a result to fall outside these guidelines.

Some people will squeeze and squeeze and squeeze but will NEVER get orange juice out of an apple. They will become frustrated and tell everyone around them that these apples are all rotten, and that nobody should buy them because they won't yield any orange juice.

If the person is looking for apple juice they will have plenty to go around, and will for a long time.

Thanks,

Scott
 
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