Minorities vs entitlements

golfournut

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My mistake, currently there are 27 Congressional Representatives and 1 Senator without a college degree.
Those that are in office with military service, have a much better understanding of how the military works. I would trust them to vote on war/no war issue before any of the others. They are advocates of the vet. When it came to the forefront of the foreclosure issue, they have started the investigations.

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.
 

Turtle

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Oh, good grief.

I never saw combat...

The point system is something the I use. I assign values to experience. School is the lowest value. Without practical usage education is only theory.

One thing that combat teaches is how to make a decision quickly.

Didja learn that in combat, or did someone educate you on that matter?


Incidentally...
There is NO chance what so ever of an ordinary person, a firefighter, a steel worker etc to get elected.
Millard Fillmore, a congressman and later 13th president of the United States, was at one time a cloth-maker's apprentice in New York. Strom Thurmond, the longest-filibustering and second-longest-serving congressman in history, started out as a farmer and teacher. The 111th Congress ('09-'11) included two veterinarians (Kurt Schrader and John Ensign), two vintners (wine makers) (George Radanovich and Mike Thompson), a comedian (Al Franken), an ironworker (Stephen Lynch), a meat cutter (Robert Byrd), a tugboat captain (Don Young), an allergist (Steve Kagen), a microbiologist (Louise Slaughter), an astronaut (Bill Nelson), and an NFL football player (Heath Schuler), to name a few.

Reagan was an actor. Carter was a peanut farmer. LBJ was a schoolteacher. Eisenhower was the Supreme Commander of Allied forces in Europe and U.S. Army Chief of Staff. OK, Eisenhower isn't a good example.
 

layoutshooter

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From day one in basic we were taught decision making. Same in firefighting and EMT work. Any time you are put in dangerous, life or death situations you learn to think fast and make smart decisions. Dumb decisions get you and or your people killed. My education with decision making started in high school when I took first aid and life guard training. My first real life "test" so to speak was when I was fighting forest fires in Everglades. I was given a tracked fire attack piece and two high school seniors. I was tasked with stopping a fire from jumping an 8 mile stretch of levee. We did it. I had to "act fast" several times that day.

Reagan was a governor first, so was Carter, both had college degrees. LBJ had a degree. I don't want to go back much further because things were much different then.

I would LOVE to see a firefighter or Paramedic/EMT or something along those lines. Maybe a firefighter that runs a successful business. No more "theory only" people for a while. They are, for the most parts, screw ups. Obama is no exception.
 

dieseldiva

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Oh, good grief.







Didja learn that in combat, or did someone educate you on that matter?


Incidentally... Millard Fillmore, a congressman and later 13th president of the United States, was at one time a cloth-maker's apprentice in New York. Strom Thurmond, the longest-filibustering and second-longest-serving congressman in history, started out as a farmer and teacher. The 111th Congress ('09-'11) included two veterinarians (Kurt Schrader and John Ensign), two vintners (wine makers) (George Radanovich and Mike Thompson), a comedian (Al Franken), an ironworker (Stephen Lynch), a meat cutter (Robert Byrd), a tugboat captain (Don Young), an allergist (Steve Kagen), a microbiologist (Louise Slaughter), an astronaut (Bill Nelson), and an NFL football player (Heath Schuler), to name a few.

Reagan was an actor. Carter was a peanut farmer. LBJ was a schoolteacher. Eisenhower was the Supreme Commander of Allied forces in Europe and U.S. Army Chief of Staff. OK, Eisenhower isn't a good example.

And now we have one that brews his own beer..... Levin was just wondering last week what it is that Obama does all day, wonder if he saw that article...LOL :eek:
 

layoutshooter

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Still didn't answer my question, tho.

Which question? You mean did someone teach me that combat teaches decision making? Not really, other than basic training. It is kind of obvious to me, always had been. Kinda like common sense.
 

Turtle

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Which question? You mean did someone teach me that combat teaches decision making? Not really, other than basic training. It is kind of obvious to me, always had been. Kinda like common sense.
So with no experience whatsoever in actual combat, you somehow managed to deduce that "one thing combat teaches is decision making". Got it. That's the actual definition of education, dood.

education
-noun
the act or process of imparting or acquiring particular knowledge or skills
 

layoutshooter

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So with no experience whatsoever in actual combat, you somehow managed to deduce that "one thing combat teaches is decision making". Got it. That's the actual definition of education, dood.

education
-noun
the act or process of imparting or acquiring particular knowledge or skills


But I did it, for the most part, on my own. Not in school. How? I just thought. Someone trying to kill me and me trying to kill them. The thought alone is intense. The more intense the situation the more fast thinking is required.

Knowing that, however, was useless until applied in real life. While I figured what it might be like to act fast in a life and death I really did NOT know what I would do when the time came. No one does. We might think we know, we might hope we will react in the correct manner, but we don't know until tested.

As to my formal education, I can honestly say that I have NEVER used anything that I learned in college. I use a good bit of things I learned in high school and tons of what I learned in grade school. I used all of the tech training I had both in my intell days and firefighting/EMT days.
 

golfournut

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So with no experience whatsoever in actual combat, you somehow managed to deduce that "one thing combat teaches is decision making". Got it. That's the actual definition of education, dood.

education
-noun
the act or process of imparting or acquiring particular knowledge or skills

There are highly educated people without any common sense!

Decision
Noun
1. The process of deciding; determination, as of a question or doubt, making a judgement.

2. The act of or need for making up one's mind.

Common sense
Noun
Sound practical judgement that is independent of specialized knowledge, training or the like; normal native intelligence

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.
 

golfournut

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In the military, a person is a position to suddenly find themselves in a leadership roll. That's where common sense kicks in the most.

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.
 

greg334

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I really hope you are not serious about this, because I almost p*ssed my pants over these comments.

Well Greg, our system may seem fair on paper but that is about as far as it goes.

Actaully it is fair on both paper and in practice - look around.

There is NO chance what so ever of an ordinary person, a firefighter, a steel worker etc to get elected.

Alvin Greene, look him up. He seems to be doing well despite a lot of issues.

There is NO free press to vet candidates. Obama would have NEVER been elected if there had been. The press will ONLY back the elite. Elite to the press is, for the most part, left wing, with a degree/degrees from an Ivy League school with extreme left wing leanings. ANY candidate that does NOT fit that mold has a HUGH hill to climb.

Really, again look around and see who got elected, I don't think the press is picking and choosing much.

What the h*ll does obama have to do with this, he is just the president, not a king.

I understand about NOT amending the Constitution as you say. There HAS to be a way to stop electing the idiots that we have been for such a long, long time.

Well maybe if we start educating the idiot voters with more than to know Washington is the guy on the dollar bill and lincoln freed the slaves, we may have a chance but when an uneducated russian knows more about our history herding sheep in the Urals than our kids in highschool who have been honor roll students, we will be stuck with this mess.

My mistake, currently there are 27 Congressional Representatives and 1 Senator without a college degree.

The degree thing is not important as it was, they dumb down the degree requirements to the point that you don't have to actually learn anything to get one.


Those that are in office with military service, have a much better understanding of how the military works.

Actaully it seems the biggest supporters are outside of the military and I am starting to feel that there really isn't a need to "understand" the military but to have passion in supporting it.

I would trust them to vote on war/no war issue before any of the others.

I sure wouldn't. It comes down to understanding strategy at a higher level, the cause and effect of diplomatic impact or internal impact. The solider in many cases are clueless to those concepts and until you get to be a certain rank, like a Col or above, then you are not afforded all of that knowledge. Beside this is not a country where the military makes decisions like that, they are to follow orders.

They are advocates of the vet. When it came to the forefront of the foreclosure issue, they have started the investigations.

Well where were they in making sure the laws were enforced in the first place? Having investigation about why the horse left the barn after it was hit by a train seems to be a bit too late but if someone would have shut the barn door, the horse would still be alive.

Maybe electing someone like me who doesn't give a crap about reelections may be a good solution?

Oh, good grief.

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Carter was a peanut farmer.

Actually Layout and Golf both predicate their argument on the concept that a Vet in office is good for other vets and the military but for some odd reason when "Fix up a house" Carter's name popped up, it reminded me that the worst president we ever had was Lieutenant Carter, US Navy. SO ... what'ch you think?
 

golfournut

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I really hope you are not serious about this, because I almost p*ssed my pants over these comments.



Actaully it is fair on both paper and in practice - look around.



Alvin Greene, look him up. He seems to be doing well despite a lot of issues.



Really, again look around and see who got elected, I don't think the press is picking and choosing much.

What the h*ll does obama have to do with this, he is just the president, not a king.



Well maybe if we start educating the idiot voters with more than to know Washington is the guy on the dollar bill and lincoln freed the slaves, we may have a chance but when an uneducated russian knows more about our history herding sheep in the Urals than our kids in highschool who have been honor roll students, we will be stuck with this mess.



The degree thing is not important as it was, they dumb down the degree requirements to the point that you don't have to actually learn anything to get one.




Actaully it seems the biggest supporters are outside of the military and I am starting to feel that there really isn't a need to "understand" the military but to have passion in supporting it.

There is a big difference in supporting something vs how it works and why.

I sure wouldn't. It comes down to understanding strategy at a higher level, the cause and effect of diplomatic impact or internal impact. The solider in many cases are clueless to those concepts and until you get to be a certain rank, like a Col or above, then you are not afforded all of that knowledge. Beside this is not a country where the military makes decisions like that, they are to follow orders.

Wrong, its these types of baseless assumptions that cloud the facts. Sure strategically speaking planning DECISIONS are made at upper levels, but the tactical plans are formulated from input from platoon leaders on up and are what if strategies. What I can share is this, a scenario is discussed, intel is challenged meaning validity, age, mobility and source. Mock ups are designed and tweeked. Casualties and asset loss are compiled from the different mock ups. Moral is looked at.
Know this, the master plan is only good for the 1st 12 hours. The goal doesn't change but the plan has built in flexabilities to adapt to the immediate situation on the ground.

Well where were they in making sure the laws were enforced in the first place? Having investigation about why the horse left the barn after it was hit by a train seems to be a bit too late but if someone would have shut the barn door, the horse would still be alive.

As I stated in a previous post, there is no classification for vets as to minority status. So everything is done on an individual bases. I would love to see you ,Greg, go to congress or senate and get an appointment with your representative. Not going to happen.

Maybe electing someone like me who doesn't give a crap about reelections may be a good solution?

No, you talk to much and are all over place on your views. Couldn't get anything done. lol


Actually Layout and Golf both predicate their argument on the concept that a Vet in office is good for other vets and the military but for some odd reason when "Fix up a house" Carter's name popped up, it reminded me that the worst president we ever had was Lieutenant Carter, US Navy. SO ... what'ch you think?

Doesn't mean they are all bad. Look what we have now.
Look at Eisenhower.



Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.
 

golfournut

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For some reason everything came out blue on the quote above. There are interjections in the blue area.

Your best bet, hire a vet! Please.
 

Turtle

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Well, you might not want to hire a vet is you want to read their interjections in the blue area. :D
 

Ragman

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We will soon have "food police",

We already have "food police"!

At the public school my wife works at, she can't get a peanut butter and jelly sammy in the cafateria. Little Johnny may have an alergy to peanuts and doesn't have the smarts to stay away from peanuts. :rolleyes::eek:
 

Turtle

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We already have "thought police" as well. Try driving a CMV down the road with a bottle of Jack under the bunk. :D
 
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