Military spooks for Ron Paul

[AMonger]

http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2011/08/military-intelligence-officer-endorses.html

 

[greg334]

Not the first time I heard this.

 

[Turtle]

I don't buy it. It reads too simplistic and generic. Nothing in there we haven't heard before from a dozen sources.

 

[Moot]

Then out of the blue, the officer asked me if I was familiar with Ron Paul. Not giving anything away, I simply said. "Yes."

I'm not sure if I could recognize Ron Paul from the old guy with the bottle of wine in the park down the street. But who did this officer think he was giving this candid interview to?

I asked the officer if this view was very prevalent in the military. The officer told me that 50% of the military didn't care and just took orders and would never question orders. The officer told me there are some thinkers in the other half.

It's obvious which half of the military this officer belongs to.

 

[aristotle]

Then out of the blue, the officer asked me if I was familiar with Ron Paul. Not giving anything away, I simply said. "Yes."

I'm not sure if I could recognize Ron Paul from the old guy with the bottle of wine in the park down the street. But who did this officer think he was giving this candid interview to?

I asked the officer if this view was very prevalent in the military. The officer told me that 50% of the military didn't care and just took orders and would never question orders. The officer told me there are some thinkers in the other half.

It's obvious which half of the military this officer belongs to.

Would that be the Art Bell-George Noory-Alex Jones wing of Ron Paul support?

 

[Moot]

My reply really had nothing to do with Ron Paul, but rather the officer he claimed to interview. What kind of officer would engage in a candid interview and have no idea who he was talking with? Appears to me he falls into the 50% group that never questions orders. A superior officer probably told him to get interviewed by that old guy over there. Answer all his questions and if he offers you wine, politely decline.

 

[RLENT]

I don't buy it. It reads too simplistic and generic.

Yup ...... must be one of them "conspiracy" things that some folks don't believe exists ..... or can't be concealed ....

Clearly, it is something that is just so truly incredible .... that it couldn't possibly have happened ....

 

[RLENT]

I'm not sure if I could recognize Ron Paul from the old guy with the bottle of wine in the park down the street. But who did this officer think he was giving this candid interview to?

Mebbe I missed it there somewhere Moot .... but where was there anything said about an an interview ?

I thought RW said he was having a discussion with someone (who was unfamiliar with his background)

It's obvious which half of the military this officer belongs to.

Is it ?

 

[RLENT]

My reply really had nothing to do with Ron Paul, but rather the officer he claimed to interview. What kind of officer would engage in a candid interview and have no idea who he was talking with?

Where are you getting this interview thing ?

The author said he was having a discussion .....

Because the author (Robert Wentzel) then happens to report the occurrence on his website, doesn't mean that it was formal interview - in fact, Wenzel seemed to make it clear that that was not the case, going so far as to point out that the individual he was speaking with was unfamiliar with his (Wenzel's) background.

 

[EASYTRADER]

Ron Paul wants to give us our freedom back, is that so kooky?

Its imteresting to me how in the "land of the free and home of the brave", its considered kooky and tinfoil hat wearing to actually want to be FREE.

I realise this hasnt been a FREE country since 1929, but are we all so afraid of freedom, that the mere mention of it has us quivering at the knees.

 

[RLENT]

Would that be the Art Bell-George Noory-Alex Jones wing of Ron Paul support?

There's a funny thing that frequently happens when one tries to slime someone else - when the true motivation is ill-will .... ya often manage to cover yourself with slime in the process .....

I'm reminded of various encounters throughout life that I have had with a variety of individuals, many of them often being salespeople ..... used cars seem to be a speciality, for some odd reason .....

You know the kind - they've sorta got this "I'm-your-best-buddy ... a-true-friend ..... I-have-your-interests-at-heart ..... I-think-you're-really-the-greatest .... thing" going on ....

Their communication is often of a sort of sickly sweet and drippy nature ..... and one is left with the distinct impression that these jokers are holding a dagger in the one hand that they concealing behind their back, all while they stand there smiling at you, trying to speak soothing words, with a large grin upon their faces ....

Know 'em for what they, in fact, are .....

 

[xiggi]

Ron Paul wants to give us our freedom back, is that so kooky?

Its imteresting to me how in the "land of the free and home of the brave", its considered kooky and tinfoil hat wearing to actually want to be FREE.

I realise this hasnt been a FREE country since 1929, but are we all so afraid of freedom, that the mere mention of it has us quivering at the knees.

For every good idea RP has, which are many he has a kooky one to balance it out. His view on places such as Iran I just cannot get on board with.

 

[RLENT]

Its interesting to me how in the "land of the free and home of the brave", its considered kooky and tinfoil hat wearing to actually want to be FREE.

Funny thing ain't it ? .... jus' kinda odd .....

As I once commented on here, never underestimate the absolute conviction a slave has, and the untiring efforts that they will go to, to convince everyone else that the shackles that they themselves willingly donned, are in fact, beautiful bracelets, made of gold and other fine metals, encrusted with priceless jewels .... and that you should try on a pair too .... just to see if you like it .....

 

[RLENT]

For every good idea RP has, which are many he has a kooky one to balance it out.

xiggi,

That premise might actually fly ... at least you would have some shred of cred ...... if you were able to actually enunciate it specifically beyond a generality .....

Can you list 20 examples ? ... 10 ? .... even 5 ?

His view on places such as Iran I just cannot get on board with.

Anything else ?

So - I take it you're onboard with heading on over to Iraq next then ?

 

[aristotle]

There's a funny thing that frequently happens when one tries to slime someone else - when the true motivation is ill-will .... ya often manage to cover yourself with slime in the process .....

I'm reminded of various encounters throughout life that I have had with a variety of individuals, many of them often being salespeople ..... used cars seem to be a speciality, for some odd reason .....

You know the kind - they've sorta got this "I'm-your-best-buddy ... a-true-friend ..... I-have-your-interests-at-heart ..... I-think-you're-really-the-greatest .... thing" going on ....

Their communication is often of a sort of sickly sweet and drippy nature ..... and one is left with the distinct impression that these jokers are holding a dagger in the one hand that they concealing behind their back, all while they stand there smiling at you, trying to speak soothing words, with a large grin upon their faces ....

Know 'em for what they, in fact, are .....

Slime? ill-will? sickly? dagger?

Ron Paul draws from the fringe. It's interesting to study Paul's appeal and where his base of support lies.

 

[RLENT]

For those of a doubting nature, considering the following that was posted by "Ashley" in the comments section of the referenced EPJ post:

"I'm a military officer as well and I have devoted every bit of spare time I have to supporting Ron Paul and the cause of liberty. There are many, like myself, who agree with Ron Paul and the Austrian Economists on both foreign and domestic policy. That number is growing all of the time. I would agree with the person from the story above that about 50% who don't care and simply follow orders.

Among you the other 50% you have real thinkers, and among those a good portion are coming around to the ideas of limited government and the problems with intervention overseas. I got to hear my commanding officer about a year ago, a Colonel, talk about how we created the present-day situations in both Iraq and Afghanistan by our meddling in the affairs of those countries. The military culture is changing. Nobody hates war more than the soldier who has been there."

The individual that posted the above, is apparently current military, and his name is Ashley C. Smith, stationed in Pensacola, FL .... you can view his Blogger website (and picture) here:

Ash

 

[RLENT]

Slime? ill-will? sickly? dagger?

Ron Paul draws from the fringe. It's interesting to study Paul's appeal and where his base of support lies.

See my previous post (current military)

BTW, someone please call reinforcements for our resident GhostBuster ..... the ectoplasm is gettin' pretty thick in here ....

 

[Turtle]

Yup ...... must be one of them "conspiracy" things that some folks don't believe exists ..... or can't be concealed ....

I didn't say it was a conspiracy thing, nor do I think it is (although it's certainly possible that it was discussed amongst two or more people before it was posted). I think it is is a piece of fiction penned by an individual for the specific purpose of furthering an agenda, and not necessarily a conspiracy thing at all. I think there are people in the military, including intelligence officers, who support Ron Paul. How can there not be, since the military is made up chiefly of us, and us has it's fair share of Ron Paul supporters, too. I just don't think Robert Wenzel happened to have a conversation with someone who just so happened to be a military intelligence officer who did not know who Robert Wenzel was or his background (because his not knowing is crucial to the believability of a military intelligence officer and thus the story), and yet managed to somehow blather on and on in virtual scripted fashion so as to dispel the notion that anyone in the military, especially an intelligence officer, couldn't possibly agree with Ron Paul's ideas about the military.

Clearly, it is something that is just so truly incredible .... that it couldn't possibly have happened ....

While I absolutely allow for the possibility that it might possibly have happened, based on what I read I ain't buying it. It reads like a cliché of convenience, where this seemingly chance encounter with a military intelligence officer, someone who is at least on the surface the very antithesis of Ron Paul's platform, conveniently spilling the beans, as it were, and doing so unknowingly to such an ardent Ron Paul supporter as Robert Wenzel (editor and publisher of his very own Ron Paul Supporter Blog) and managing to hit on exactly all the right talking points in finely worded cliché fashion required to drive home the agenda. Not only that, but "out of the blue" this otherwise evil stereotype is stealthily stumping for Ron Paul during casual conversations. It's a bona fide veritable miracle is what it is.

Who is this military intelligence officer? What branch of the military is he with? What is his rank? Where did this interview take place, and under what circumstances? Why did this conversation take place? The only thing missing from the piece is the last line at the bottom which reads, "Pass this along to everyone one the planet because, you know, they need to read it." It's reads like the countless e-mails and Blog pieces that Snopes has become famous for debunking. Still, that doesn't mean that it's not true and that it didn't happen, I'm just not buying it, is all. I'm not going to accept it blindly at face value. It's been my experience to believe very little of the claims and "facts" posted to the Internet unless it comes with, or you can find, independently verifiable proof for yourself.

BTW,

in·ter·view
-noun a meeting or conversation in which a writer or reporter asks questions of one or more persons from whom material is sought for a newspaper story, television broadcast, etc.the report of such a conversation or meeting.

If one wants to assert that Robert Wenzel, Editor & Publisher of the Blog EconomicPolicyJournal.com is a real, actual journalist, then you must allow that any conversation he has with someone and then later reports on that Blog, as being an interview.

For those of a doubting nature, considering the following that was posted by "Ashley" in the comments section of the referenced EPJ post:

For those of a doubting nature, the incredibly convenient posting by "Ashley" more or less cements the doubt. It's not at all unlike the sudden emergence from the cyberwoodwork of newly created screen names with single digit posting histories in the Expediter Services threads where they pound away in defense of ES, and do so in the same manner, phrasing and language - the more posters we can muster mister, the better convincing they are as a whole. (turns out, at least two of these posters purporting to be team drivers with ES are, in fact, not).

So Ashley couldn't possibly be someone who is a plant, or a shill, or someone otherwise independently misrepresenting themselves on the Internet, because stuff like that just never happens on the Internet. And it's impressive that he has his own Blog, because they don't just let anybody have a Blog. So I'm not altogether convinced that the appearance of Ash and his blank Blog (save a picture of some guy ostensibly from Pensacola standing next to an Air Force trainer) is quite enough to squash a doubting nature.

Having said that, Ash Smith is a real guy, and he's really in the military and that's really him in that picture next to the trainer. He's originally from Newport, Arkansas, and graduated from high school in 2004 in Junction City, Kansas (Fort Riley Military Reservation, Manhattan, KS). He and his wife Emily live in Fayetteville, North Carolina and are the proud parents of at lease one child. He is currently living in Pensacola while undergoing training. He is in the North Carolina Air National Guard where he works on communication and navigation equipment on the C-130 aircraft, and it currently in training (likely at the USAF's 479th Flying Training Group stationed out of the Pensacola NAS). He's in training to become a Navigator on the C-130 H3.

He is also a very real and very ardent Ron Paul supporter. Ardent enough that, according to his Facebook page, he borders on being obsessed with Ron Paul and the campaign fundraising of Ron Paul. It's very important to him, not that there's anything wrong with that. But it does tell us where he comes from and some of his motives for the things he says in the comments sections around the Net.

So, what we have is essentially an arguably obsessive Ron Paul supporter posting talking point clichés in the comments section of a Blog full of talking point clichés of questionable origin, which is supposed to be somehow an authentication of Robert Wenzel's honestly and blind luck in having an interview with a military intelligence officer who also happens to be a Ron Paul supporter. Got it.

 

[Moot]

Where are you getting this interview thing ?

I pulled it out of thin air. I took it to be an interview.

The author said he was having a discussion .....

You are correct, it was a discussion. I never scored very high in the comprehension portion of my Evelyn Wood Extreme Speed Reading course.

I too felt this article, blog discussion thing came off as being a bit contrived and convenient.

 

[layoutshooter]

Serving military intell people keep their mouths shut, or at least most do if they intend to stay in or not get a dishonorable discharge. It reads like fiction. While it MIGHT have happened I doubt that it did as written. It is more likely that it is a poorly written piece of fiction.