Mexican Trucks

joebob1_30132

Expert Expediter
well the unions leaders unfortunately are for illegals gaing amnesty although ther membership is against this.. nothing will stop them eventually from gaining all access this will be aslow acclimation to the public.. I am not a bigot or a racist,, and I love telemundo God bless those smok'n hot senoritas.. i think leagal should be leagal, and we should be allowd to compete fairly with the world, ,,,
The Gov has ALways looked at trucking as unskilled labor and some of the highest cost in getting a product to the consumer.
 

joebob1_30132

Expert Expediter
>I am imaging a large western Mexican seaport rising up and
>Walmart and the big importers and even the foreign
>automakers directing the cargo ships there thus avoiding the
>longshoremens union in Cali and trucking it up to the U.S.
>and even Canada.

Thats the game plan I think ...China has bigger cargo ships that wont fit the panama cannal.. they will pass Cali.by dropping off in mexico.and use the super highway to Canada... Time to get moving people ..dropp your party affiliation, and get rid of all the Globalist, Bush Clinton repub and Dems...
 

are12

Expert Expediter
<<How do you think a mexican non english speaking truck driver would do dropping off at a UAW plant?>>

If I am not mistaken, don't they have to speak English in order to deliver here?

As for us taking our truck into Mexico - it won't happen!!
 

Pilgrim

Veteran Expediter
Retired Expediter
According to the article I read, American trucks are still quite a few months away from being allowed to go into Mexico even though the Mexican trucks and drivers are going to be allowed into the US. I'm sure these Mexicans are going to be compliant with the HOS regulations in addition to having safe equipment to drive. The last several times I've been in Mexico, a lot of the trucks I've seen are junk and the drivers are teenagers or heaven knows what. NAFTA or whatever the rationalization is for this development, I see nothing positive coming from this deal as long as there's no reciprocal agreement in place allowing US drivers to haul freight in and out of Mexico the same as they do with Canada.

This all ties in with a bigger plan the Bush administration has put together called the Security and Prosperity Partnership (SPP). Bush sat down with el presidente Fox and the Canadian Prime Minister Martin and signed this agreement a couple of years ago that seemingly will open the American borders between Mexico and Canada and moves us closer to something like the European Union. Some publications have mentioned that Mexicans will be able to get "Trusted Traveler" cards that will allow them to go back and forth as they please with no need for even a passport. There's a lot of controversy about this plan because since it's an agreement instead of a treaty it doens't have to be approved by congress. There are conflicting stories and articles that have been published as to what degree our soveriegnty is compromised, but it sounds pretty suspicious when so much of this has gone on under the radar. For more information go to www.spp.gov. There is another website (www.keeptexasmoving.org) that shows the proposed routes of the superhighway through Texas that will supposedly go to Kansas City and eventually to the Canadian border. This of course would connect with a major Mexican highway that links with several of their ports.

I'd be interested to hear from others in the forum if they have more information about SPP. It seems that all the benefits of this deal are in Mexico's favor with the US getting the short end of the commerce stick as even more illegal aliens pour into our country and its entitlement programs.
 

joebob1_30132

Expert Expediter
Well pilgram ..let me tell ya,,, your right on the money..thats the plan it can be stopped or altered . Bush and a few sudo republicans have disappointed me to know end ..he like others up top are globalist, bush senior is a globalist the clintons and most democrats are socialist and globalist..and i feel tricked into believing he was consevative.. History has proved socialism does not work for the majority, it works for the few at the top.
 

cheri1122

Veteran Expediter
Driver
I'm suspicious of any program or agreement that any politician wants to keep on the downlow - that's not how our government is supposed to work at all.
 

joebob1_30132

Expert Expediter
Absolutly cherrii;) ;) :9 but we as drivers need to put as much into solving as complaining about it (myself included) we need to write and call our congressman now and spread the word (as Hokey as that sounds) sentiment is already against illegals of any race right now so lets get it
 

driver628

Seasoned Expediter
I dont think writing or calling anyone is going to change anything. As long as there is $ involved the few at the top are gona cash in. (Halliburton/Iraq) Whats the worst case senerio, mexicans drive for 2 cents a mile. Expediting becomes a job "Americans wont do".
 

Turtle

Administrator
Staff member
Retired Expediter
Well, if you listen to Chicken Little Radio or do most of your reading at www.theskyisfalling.net, you're gonna be upset over the SPP. But the fact is, no agreement was ever signed by anyone regarding the SPP. Not by Bush, not by Fox, and not by Martin. The only "agreement" that was made was they agreed to further promote the agenda of the Security and Prosperity Partnership of the three North American countries.

The world is a global market economy and the US cannot just sit back and play the isolationist game and expect to survive in it. No matter how badly people want it to be so, it's never gonna be 1954 again. It's a new world and we have to get in it. Yes, that means some changes.

Among some of the many changes, one of them will be to eventually open the Mexican border up in the same manner as the US/Canadian border is now, only, hopefully, both of them will be in better shape than the Canadian border is now. Faster, easier border crossings will mean lower costs, which will allow North American manufacturers to better compete in a world market. Yes, that will almost certainly mean that freight coming out of Mexico will be fundamentally changed insofar as how it is transported and delivered. That will mean better things for some drivers, worse things for others, but overall it will be better for the North American countries trying to compete in a world market.

People don't like change, especially those who can only look at the short term 'what's in it for me' picture. But that same short term picture is why Detroit is in the shape it is in, for example. Instead of taking responsibility for their actions, many would rather shift the blame onto whoever is in charge and whine "Buy American" as if that's gonna make it all better. Well, it's not gonna make it all better, and there's nothing the people in charge can do to turn back the clock to the old days.

The clock keeps on ticking, just as it has been since the 1960's when the first jobs quietly began moving overseas. Instead of recognizing and correcting the problem, the unions, by and large, couldn't get past that short term picture and instead they rallied "Buy American!", which is Spanish for "Spend more for less innovative and inferior products in order to keep my paycheck coming to me!"

People say that the leaders, the Congress, the President, whoever, did nothing to stop this takeover of the US by the world markets. But the fact is, there is nothing they could have done, and everything they did try, to impress the voters back home, mostly, was a Band Aid on a broken back. It's all good until the next election, and the short termers have their paycheck. Whoops. Next thing you know, we're in the shape we're in now, and unless something is done very quickly, we're on the fast track to a Third World status.

Something will be done, but it won't be to keep the status quo, and it won't be to roll things back to Wally and the Beav. It will be to make radical, sometimes painful changes that will benefit the many at sometimes the cost of the few. Welcome to the New World, the Real World. Welcome to Reality.

Incidentally, the infrastructure of this country, roads, seaports, airports, railroads, are all utterly inadequate today. It cannot handle the flow of goods in an efficient manner as it is, and it's only going to get worse. People have been discussing major Interstate improvements and additions between the Mexican and Canadian borders for more than 40 years. Now all of a sudden, infrastructure improvements are bad, because, well, if NAFTA can benefit from it in any way, then it's just gotta be bad.

Wake up America! The rest of the world is sick and tired of putting up with your BS. Put away your buggy whips and lead, follow or get out of the way!
 

Moot

Veteran Expediter
Owner/Operator
Thank you Turtle for your realistic synopsis of SPP and NAFTA. This is the future, like it or not.
 

LDB

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Retired Expediter
I am DISGUSTED and would be thrilled to read in the news tomorrow that several hundred select deserving recipients dropped dead overnight. I wonder how many of those trucks coming in will have a secondary cargo of criminal aliens? My trucks will not be going into Mexico unless I'm being paid a bonus equal to at least the replacement cost of the truck. I won't say anymore since this is a family forum and should only have language suitable for a 10 year old to read other than IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA!

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davekc

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Fleet Owner
I think there are some options that the industry can do to adapt.
The toughest hurdle is that the Mexicans have a much cheaper labor pool, so many of their costs will be cheaper.
They are currently retrofitting trucks with extra fuel tanks so when they come up into the US, they can carry Mexican fuel. Mexican fuel is considerably cheaper because it doesn't have the same tax, or have to meet any EPA standards.
Their idea of a luxury liner truck is a Mercedes or old cornbinder pulling a old 45 footer. You see alot of those old trailers down there,but with US industry pouring in, I am sure 53's will be more common.
I have to agree with the others. Even if a US carrier is granted to go in to Mexico, it won't be with my trucks. There is way too much risk for drivers let alone equipment, for me to even consider it.




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kg

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Charter Member
Owner/Operator
When the American industrial community got the ok to set up plants in Mexico, to utilize cheap factory labor, you didn't think they would stop there did you?

There are many satillite and support industries that will feel the sting of cheap south of the border labor, trucking is just one of them.
 

davekc

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Staff member
Fleet Owner
I would agree with you. I am sure many will say it is saving US companies money, but I think it will cost many in alot of other places.
We went through all of this with Canada, but this will be much different. Canada and Mexico I don't think are anything close to one another.









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Pilgrim

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Retired Expediter
The liberals among us certainly free to ridicule the concern others including myself have about relaxing the restrictions involved with crossing the Mexican border into the US. But in spite of the attempt to trivialize the points brought out by talk radio or certain websites, facts are stubborn things. Please check out the website listed below - although they may or may not have gone through a formal signing ceremony, the same effect happened when this SPP agreement was announced by Bush, Fox and Harper (sorry - missed the Canadian PM's name first time)and put in place on March 23, 2005:

http://usinfo.state.gov/is/Archive/2005/Mar/23-209281.html

Does anyone remember reading or hearing anything about this at that time? I repeat my emphasis on the fact that all this has been going on with abolutely no emphatic publicity on the part of our govt. officials. If we take at face value everything that is posted on SPP.gov, our bureaucrats are leading us into a perfect world. As previously stated, it would be good for all of us if we could have the same international cross-border arrangements for hauling freight in and out of Mexico just like we have with Canada. However, there are different problems involved when dealing with Mexico. Canada is a much more developed and civilized country and speaks the same language. The corruption and lawlessness in Mexico is a totally different can of worms, and to allow unfettered access to the US for these "trusted travelers" is opening the doors to drug dealers, terrorists and more entitlement program parasites.

This deal is not about the benefits of infrastructure improvements - it's about opening our border with Mexico and the security issues that come with it. It's also not about wanting to assume a 1950s economic isolationist mentality - there's nothing wrong with the US maintaining their position as the dominant economic and military power in the world. There are quite a few things our govt. can do to improve our balance of trade without bending over backwards for the sole benefit of Mexico. Everyone including the unions will have to make sacrifices, but the price we will pay is small compared to the benefits.
 

SpaceTrucker

Seasoned Expediter
Looks like Freightliner is positioning themselves for an increase in truck sales in mexico. They are closing American plants and will have a new mexican plant running next year. Think they know somethings up?

Is this the end of the American trucker? Watch the news about new legislation pertaining to illegal aliens. Once that changes there will be a huge pool of potential drivers willing to make low wages with American trucking companies to drive a truck instead of working the farms in California.

In the meantime, if the 100 companies allowed to cross the border have 100 trucks already, then 10,000 discounted loads could be run daily. Is that enough to significantly reduce the "going rate" for the entire market? Maybe not initially, but you know that Big Industry will create a demand for more capacity to provide the discounted labor.

Is this the ember that sparks the wildfire?

Look for the American used truck market to become saturated as the "going rates" plumit and o/o failure rates increase. Truck values will be a fraction of the value it has today. Guess who will be buying your truck to replace their crummy ones for pennies on the peso......
 

babs3361

Expert Expediter
My questions is..... is where is all of this going to get us. This is how I see the whole NAFTA thing. Get it made as cheap as possible. Sell it for as much as you can. I'll have enough money so i'll never have to worry. Eliminate the middle class people all over this country. Create a dictatorship where the rich tell everyone when where and what to do. Give them a few morsels and tell them what a great exsistence they have and be thankful we allow you to breath. Fight it you die. Please just tell me why the US needs to be a global economy. We have enough right here to be completely selfsufficient. Along with enough intelligent citizens to keep us innovative. Ask yourself this? Why are there 3rd world countries? Because the dictatorship did not allow for them to improve themselves. Its the I'm doing just fine mentality and I don't care about the next guy. Was this what our constitution was bring us to. I know it wasn't. It said that all men are created equal. We had regulation just for that purpose. So captilisiam didn't get out of control. Why do you think that in the last 20 yrs that only the rich can get into an elected office. BECAUSE THEY WANT TO CONTROL EVERYTHING. Power and greed what a wonderful thing. I'm glad I know where I'm going as my eternal resting place becaus a greedy man can not see the kingdom of heaven.
 
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