Meet your replacement

brokcanadian

Veteran Expediter
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So I've been wondering if they will go after the vans and make a replacement for us drivers. Here's the answer
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I'd be more worried as a Fedex or DHL for now...but they are coming
 

brokcanadian

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Yep...see the funny cameras / antennas...does have a drivers seat...it is a concept, but certain places are really pushing it like Ontario where I live
 

JCH

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Well we knew it was a possibility but it
Can't replace people all the way so I wouldn't worry too much right now


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brokcanadian

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The EU is drafting legislation right now to decide who is liable and responsible for these things. It might end up that robots are a form of " person " and responsible for themselves

I'm not worried "right now" but 5 years from now, I dunno
 

brokcanadian

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For all those thinking its not here yet...meet olli, currently driving people around Maryland since last year...and its a 3d printed vehicle to boot

 

brokcanadian

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So...further down the rabbit hole...comma.ai has open source software to help turn your existing car into a self driver!

Be on the lookout for a driverless 2005 dodge sprinter....lol :p
 

T270_Dreamin

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Sprinters don't even brake or steer for themselves right now. Why don't they let vehicles steer themselves at 55 mph + speeds on freeway and emergency brake when needed so I can relax more and watch the other controls in the cock pit :D No sense going from Automatic nothing to fully autonomous.
 

brokcanadian

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Sprinters don't even brake or steer for themselves right now. Why don't they let vehicles steer themselves at 55 mph + speeds on freeway and emergency brake when needed so I can relax more and watch the other controls in the cock pit :D No sense going from Automatic nothing to fully autonomous.

can order that option where I live
 

brokcanadian

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Anyway, Tesla is releasing the software to summon a car, driverless, across the US within 2 years, whether its legal we'll see
 

Moot

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I've met my replacement. It's a low tech chimpanzee. Expedite van driving is so easy even a chimp can do it and do it cheaper than some humans. Chimps are being used as dispatchers, but mostly on 3rd shift and weekends. So it's a logical progression that chimps will soon be driving cargo vans and eventually straight trucks and tractor/trailers.
 
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brokcanadian

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Love that last post, Moot.

For anyone wondering where DOT stands on this
http://www.nhtsa.gov/nhtsa/av/pdf/Federal_Automated_Vehicles_Policy.pdf
116 pages. Basically expect the process of millions of drivers being replaced to begin around 2020.

Freight companies love it. Insurance companies love it. The state police officer following Otto on the first commercial automated delivery in the US commented on how nice it was for a big truck to stay in the lines the whole way.

Whats that ancient chinese curse? "May you live in interesting times"
 
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brokcanadian

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Taken from an investment website (mish) a shorter version interpreting state and federal position on autonomous vehicles


"As the digital era increasingly reaches deeper into transportation, our task at the U.S.
Department of Transportation is not only to keep pace, but to ensure public safety while establishing a strong foundation such that the rules of the road can be known, understood, and responded to by industry and the public. The self-driving car raises more possibilities and more questions than perhaps any other transportation innovation under present discussion. That is as it should be. Possessing the potential to uproot personal mobility as we know it, to make it safer and even more ubiquitous than conventional automobiles and perhaps even more efficient, self-driving cars have become the archetype of our future transportation.

Still, important concerns emerge. Will they fully replace the human driver? What ethical judgments will they be called upon to make? What socioeconomic impacts flow from such a dramatic change? Will they disrupt the nature of privacy and security? Many of these larger questions will require longer and more thorough dialogue with government, industry, academia and, most importantly, the public.

As the Department charged with protecting the traveling public, we recognize three realities that necessitate this guidance. First, the rise of new technology is inevitable. Second, we will achieve more significant safety improvements by establishing an approach that translates our knowledge and aspirations into early guidance. Third, as this area evolves, the “unknowns” of today will become “knowns” tomorrow. We do not intend to write the final word on highly automated vehicles here. Rather, we intend to establish a foundation and a framework upon which future Agency action will occur.

For DOT, the excitement around highly automated vehicles (HAVs) starts with safety. Two numbers exemplify the need. First, 35,092 people died on U.S. roadways in 2015 alone. Second, 94 percent of crashes can be tied to a human choice or error. An important promise of HAVs is to address and mitigate that overwhelming majority of crashes. Whether through technology that corrects for human mistakes, or through technology that takes over the full driving responsibility, automated driving innovations could dramatically decrease the number of crashes tied to human choices and behavior. HAVs also hold a learning advantage over humans. While a human driver may repeat the same mistakes as millions before them, an HAV can benefit from the data and experience drawn from thousands of other vehicles on the road. DOT is also encouraged about the potential for HAV systems to use other complementary sensor technologies such as vehicle-to-vehicle (V2V) and vehicle-to-infrastructure (V2I) capabilities to improve system performance. These sensor technologies have their own potential to reduce the number and severity of crashes, and the inclusion of V2V and V2I capabilities could augment the safety and performance of HAV systems.

The benefits don’t stop with safety. Innovations have the potential to transform personal mobility and open doors to people and communities—people with disabilities, aging populations, communities where car ownership is prohibitively expensive, or those who prefer not to drive or own a car—that today have limited or impractical options. Cities will reconsider how space is utilized and how public transit is provided. Infrastructure capacity could be increased without pouring a single new truck load of concrete. HAVs may also have the potential to save energy and reduce air pollution from transportation through efficiency and by supporting vehicle electrification.

State Policy

Today, a motorist can drive across state lines without a worry more complicated than, “did the speed limit change?” The integration of HAVs should not change that ability. Similarly, a manufacturer should be able to focus on developing a single HAV fleet rather than 50 different versions to meet individual state requirements. State governments play an important role in facilitating HAVs, ensuring they are safely deployed, and promoting their life-saving benefits. The Model State Policy confirms that States retain their traditional responsibilities for vehicle licensing and registration, traffic laws and enforcement, and motor vehicle insurance and liability regimes.

Vehicle Performance Guidance for Automated Vehicles

Under current law, manufacturers bear the responsibility to self-certify that all of the vehicles they manufacture for use on public roadways comply with all applicable Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standards (FMVSS). Therefore, if a vehicle is compliant within the existing FMVSS regulatory framework and maintains a conventional vehicle design, there is currently no specific federal legal barrier to an HAV being offered for sale.

In addition to safety, automated vehicles can provide significant, life-altering mobility benefits for persons with disabilities, older persons, and others who may not be considered in conventional design programs. DOT encourages manufacturers and other entities to consider the full array of users and their specific needs during the development process.

Four Mish Conclusions

  1. The Department of Transportation (DOT) fully embraced self-driving vehicles. There is no other interpretation.
  2. DOT will set the rules. There will not be a patchwork of state-by-state regulations. States will only retain licensing, insurance, and speed limit regulations.
  3. DOT expects, as do I, that HAVs will address and mitigate the overwhelming majority of crashes. DOT notes that 94 percent of crashes can be tied to a human choice or error.
  4. My long-stated timeframe for millions of long-haul trucking jobs to vanish by the 2022-2024 is likely too distant.
The Fed is on the verge of getting the major productivity boost it seeks. Will it like the result?

Mike “Mish” Shedlock
 
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brokcanadian

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Thanks brokcanadian
Not sure if that was sarcastic or not :p

There's a whole lotta union personnel that have "protected" jobs, some of them tell us where to drop our stuff...haven't seen where that's handled yet, how does a cranky shipper tell it do go to dock 34 take 2 lefts and a right ...I remember the buses of replacement workers being pelted with garbage at GM they'd probably set these vans on fire :D
 

JCH

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No sarcasm! I was thanking you for the info!!
I'm not union I live in NC and we're a right to work state.... that's a good point how many people will it take to change the norm in an emergency or because a robo forklift got stuck half way in a truck


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brokcanadian

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I plan on buying one and being chauffeured while checking out the scenery and hiding from the wife :D no I still need to be with the van honey lol
 
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