Medications / Rules
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I was diagnosed as ADD (but not hyperactive, darn it) a year ago, when I realized that normal folks don't whip out a brush & start dusting the dashboard, when a red light lasts more than 5 seconds. 
Once it came to my attention, I realized that I've been ADD my whole life, but it wasn't recognized back in the Stone Age, when I was getting in trouble for being bored in school. I've been taking Ritalin, (tried Adderall, but it's waaay too expensive, and there's no generic) and it does help me to focus. I don't believe it appears on a drug screen, but wouldn't worry: as long as it is a legitimately prescribed medication, it's not prohibited. As was mentioned, though, it's very important to tell the prescribing doctor that you drive over the road., before accepting any prescription, for anything.
Given Turtle's contention, I guess it's a good thing I learned to think before taking medication to help me focus. (I heard that snicker, Moot, don't think I didn't) It doesn't work so well that I can watch tv, though, which is maybe the best thing,
Once it came to my attention, I realized that I've been ADD my whole life, but it wasn't recognized back in the Stone Age, when I was getting in trouble for being bored in school. I've been taking Ritalin, (tried Adderall, but it's waaay too expensive, and there's no generic) and it does help me to focus. I don't believe it appears on a drug screen, but wouldn't worry: as long as it is a legitimately prescribed medication, it's not prohibited. As was mentioned, though, it's very important to tell the prescribing doctor that you drive over the road., before accepting any prescription, for anything.Given Turtle's contention, I guess it's a good thing I learned to think before taking medication to help me focus. (I heard that snicker, Moot, don't think I didn't
) It doesn't work so well that I can watch tv, though, which is maybe the best thing, 
sorry the computer rebooted I dont like idle air internet sorry for the inconvience
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Marvin the Martian????? HG
He may be wanting his space ship back that he parked in the roof of your Trailer so please Steve can U keep UR truck still so he can get it outa the Roof as its kinda hard with ya always moven around so to speak liten up, sip some
gingerale and it will be ok I promise No discenagrations at this time are planned however he may need to borrow a wrench. ROFLMAO
By the way ran 5 miles tonight. nice weather here
You have a nice evening
I'd bet that smoking would account for the majority of the deaths that bring our expectancy 10 years lower. Not simply being a truck driver.
warlordblee
Seasoned Expediter
You may have crossed a slippery path here and I would ask someone in your safety department before you continue on this drug.
juliewray60
Not a Member
Thats total nonsense.
If a doctor has legally prescribed this
drug to a patient that person has
absolutely no reason to discuss its use
with anyone. Furthermore if the patient
has a letter documenting driving restrictions
then that person has met dot reqs.
You would never discuss the use of this
drug with a safety dept employee.
porkchop1981
Seasoned Expediter
Hey guys,
It's been a couple days moving so I've been w/o internet. My doc is fine with what she gives me and I'm truthful about how it effects me and my skills in and out of the truck. Fact is....I'm a much better worker/person when on Adderal.
And, YES...there are generics for this, I don't have the bottle in front of me, but I do get the cheapies for it.
As far as learning concentration.......I agree and disagree strongly on both sides. I agree that you can once you've reached a certain age/mental stage. I'm 27 now and have learned how to concentrate with and without the drugs. However, I disagree when saying this about a child. Their minds naturally run wild and to try to teach them ways to concentrate on 1 thing at a time is absurd! Now if your talking about a teenage 13-17, yes...you might be able to get them interested in trying things without the need of pills, but I still dont agree with it.
I know there is always a granny fix for every problem, but 1/2 of old time remedies i think are mental. Just like when you said "if you want something, you'll figure out a way to get it"!!!!! Thats the simple idea of a panic attack......if you freak yourself out thinking about something bad for too long, you'll panic and loose it. Same with fixing things, if you convince yourself that your great and doin great, and your worth more then everyone else.........yet you wonder why you have a crap job, crap gf, crap car.......see the pattern. I think even with the pills its part mental. I have days where I don't think the stuff is working.
I drive, load, unload, book, cancel all my loads, and I broker loads for 2 other drivers as well. Some days are a breeze and others are just plain hell. Its all in how you look at life/surroundings, and YES.....you will make things what they are, and what you want them to be.
I'm glad no real fighting took place cause of this post, and I'm happy to see people putting in their 2 cents on a very, very, talked about question.
Take care guys.....
Oh......I have a questions about brokering. If I have my MC # and insurance n all already, can I just get a bond for $10,000 (the min) and use my existing #'s as a carrier/broker? or do I need to register a new set with new insurance n all? The only difference between the 2 is that a broker needs a min. bond of 10K......I was just wondering if anyone knows. Thanks
It's been a couple days moving so I've been w/o internet. My doc is fine with what she gives me and I'm truthful about how it effects me and my skills in and out of the truck. Fact is....I'm a much better worker/person when on Adderal.
And, YES...there are generics for this, I don't have the bottle in front of me, but I do get the cheapies for it.
As far as learning concentration.......I agree and disagree strongly on both sides. I agree that you can once you've reached a certain age/mental stage. I'm 27 now and have learned how to concentrate with and without the drugs. However, I disagree when saying this about a child. Their minds naturally run wild and to try to teach them ways to concentrate on 1 thing at a time is absurd! Now if your talking about a teenage 13-17, yes...you might be able to get them interested in trying things without the need of pills, but I still dont agree with it.
I know there is always a granny fix for every problem, but 1/2 of old time remedies i think are mental. Just like when you said "if you want something, you'll figure out a way to get it"!!!!! Thats the simple idea of a panic attack......if you freak yourself out thinking about something bad for too long, you'll panic and loose it. Same with fixing things, if you convince yourself that your great and doin great, and your worth more then everyone else.........yet you wonder why you have a crap job, crap gf, crap car.......see the pattern. I think even with the pills its part mental. I have days where I don't think the stuff is working.
I drive, load, unload, book, cancel all my loads, and I broker loads for 2 other drivers as well. Some days are a breeze and others are just plain hell. Its all in how you look at life/surroundings, and YES.....you will make things what they are, and what you want them to be.
I'm glad no real fighting took place cause of this post, and I'm happy to see people putting in their 2 cents on a very, very, talked about question.
Take care guys.....
Oh......I have a questions about brokering. If I have my MC # and insurance n all already, can I just get a bond for $10,000 (the min) and use my existing #'s as a carrier/broker? or do I need to register a new set with new insurance n all? The only difference between the 2 is that a broker needs a min. bond of 10K......I was just wondering if anyone knows. Thanks
Jefferson3000
Expert Expediter
As far as driving with this medication, I would talk to your physician. Better yet, talk to the DOT physician who did your physical last.
porkchop1981
Seasoned Expediter
So your saying if I prove myself safe to be driving on this medication, then you have no problem with that? Somehow I think you'd change your mind/story if it was ok. I have been told from everyone that I've spoke with (reg docs, docs that do dot physicals) that as long as you prove to be safe behind the wheel and all the "vitals" are within range, then yes.......you legally my operate a commercial vehicle.
I know the types of people out there on the road now a days and trust me, if I was putting others or myself at risk, I would not do it. I could make more money sitting at home dispatching, but I enjoy the road too much to come off....well......go back on. lol.
At some point you have to have the self control to know when something isnt working for you. Even though I take meds to help me think/concentrate, that doesn't make anyone better or worse then me, nor am I better or worse than anyone else.
There is always ways around the system, and the ones that cause accidents, road hazards, and that back into your truck while your sleeping are the ones who cheat the system.
Besides......we have all these rules governing regulations on what is safe and unsafe for commercial drivers, yet how come when I walk into T/A or Flying J.....there sits my medical card on the shelf for $2.99?? If they truly wanted to limit the outlaws and bad seeds.....that is the first place I would start!
Just another thought.....
Chop
I know the types of people out there on the road now a days and trust me, if I was putting others or myself at risk, I would not do it. I could make more money sitting at home dispatching, but I enjoy the road too much to come off....well......go back on. lol.
At some point you have to have the self control to know when something isnt working for you. Even though I take meds to help me think/concentrate, that doesn't make anyone better or worse then me, nor am I better or worse than anyone else.
There is always ways around the system, and the ones that cause accidents, road hazards, and that back into your truck while your sleeping are the ones who cheat the system.
Besides......we have all these rules governing regulations on what is safe and unsafe for commercial drivers, yet how come when I walk into T/A or Flying J.....there sits my medical card on the shelf for $2.99?? If they truly wanted to limit the outlaws and bad seeds.....that is the first place I would start!
Just another thought.....
Chop
Tennesseahawk
Veteran Expediter
It amazes me tho, how kids would sit still and learn after they've had a crack on the backside. Amazing, also, is the correlation between spankings being banned and the number of Ritalin zombies popping up in schools.
juliewray60
Not a Member
Amen Brother
I fear the 400 pounder struggling just
to get into his cab hanging on to one
of those giant coffee containers.
You I dont worry about.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Well, the first thing one has to be aware of with any psychiatric medication is that they are MIND-ALTERING drugs. They, in fact, alter the way the mind works (often in ways that aren't really understood - certainly by those taking them - and even by those that have created and/or study them) - and they alter a whole variety of things - both mental and physical - some permanently.
So I immediately become suspicious any time I hear rave reports about how "wonderful" they are ..... particularly when it's coming from someone that is on a drug that alters their perceptions and ability to think. Kinda reminds me of back in the day ..... of certain friends ...... that were on drugs (LSD, mescaline, peyote, PCP, crystal meth, Quaaludes, ..... you name it, they did it) describing how "wonderful" these substances were. ......... shyeah, right .....
Ritalin is classified by the DEA under Title 21 as a Schedule 2 drug. Schedule 2 is reserved for drugs that have a very, very limited medical use. (Schedule 1 is for drugs that have no valid medical use whatsoever I believe) Another example of a Schedule 2 drug is ..... cocaine .... or opium.
Ritalin is a stimulant. It's basically speed. So is Adderall - it's combo ****tail of four different amphetamine salts. Anyone who cares to, can inform themselves of what effects long-term stimulant use has on an individual - there are both mental and physical effects - none of them particularly good. Try Googling Tardive Dystonia or Tardive Dyskinesia - as but of the two permanent physical conditions, which result from the use of psychiatric drugs.
Or ya can jut keep taking it .... cause it makes ya feel really good ....
It is fairly clear (to me at least) why a truck driver might want to use these type of drugs - either knowingly - or by allowing themselves to remain conveniently ignorant of what they are actually doing, relying on the advice of their drug pusher .... ahhh, I mean ..... good doctor ....
This all would actually be pretty funny .... if it weren't so sad ..... or so dangerous ...... the big mantra for the last 40 (or 100) years has been to not use drugs (.... "Just Say No" ...)
The reason for this is that it was (as in, used to be) widely understood that drug use, generally, isn't a healthy thing. Drugs aren't food or vitamins .... they are drugs. There are times when some drug use on limited basis might be warranted - simply because the alternative is alot worse. (A good example would be syphilis and penicillin)
And then along came the chemical companies and Big Pharma .......
The public however, at this point in time, has largely succumbed to a media and propaganda campaign (waged by big-money Pharma) that some drugs aren't really "drugs" .... or that some drugs are "better" than other drugs .... or that drugs are "good" (.... or at least aren't harmful) .... sort of a kind of "candy" .......... that makes ya "all better" ..... Interestingly, the "good drugs" just happen to be the ones that pharmaceutical companies manufacture and sell ..... and make billions of dollars on, every single year.
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of Psychiatry lists all "recognized" mental illnesses and disorders. It has been growing at an ever-increasing rate, listing more and more illnesses and disorders every year. Most people aren't even aware of how a so-called "psychiatric illness" or "disorder" becomes "officially" recognized as one. It isn't really from any actual scientific research (at least that a true scientist would recognize as being "scientific") - it's just that every year or so the APA (American Psychiatric Association) gets together and the members vote to include certain things (behaviors mostly) as so-called "illnesses" or "disorders" ........ medicine by committee ....... what a joke. A great way to create market for your services .... but a mighty poor way to practice medicine.
These aren't actually true illnesses as the general public would understand the term. There isn't a bacteria or virus that causes them. In fact, the psychs will be the first to tell you they don't truly know the cause (in other words they are just guessing) ..... although it is often said that the cause is a chemical imbalance in the brain. I have yet to see any study or medically recognized testing procedure, which actually shows a deficiency of any psych drug in anyone's system (And believe me - I've spent countless hours in university medical libraries in a former life looking through the research trying to find a study that shows or demonstrates "chemical imbalance") The reason for that is ....... bingo !!!!!!!! ..... there aren't any.
Or to meet a person who has had a brain biopsy done that showed they were deficient of a particular drug. (If this procedure were required prior to prescription of psych drugs, I suspect there would be a lot smaller market for psych drugs.)
What gets listed in the DSM are merely "observed phenomena" - examples of some type of human behavior - generally considered (by some at least, if not the person who is exhibiting it) to be "abnormal". Just because one can observe something and call it a name, does not mean that they are qualified to judge whether that behavior is "normal" or "abnormal" for any given individual, given that particular individual's physical state, experiences, and current life situation. To say nothing of being able to actually do anything effective to cure or treat it.
And ask yourself this - ever meet a psych that has said he can cure one of these diseases or disorders ? Probably never happen .... simply because, after a couple of hundred years of observation and so-called "treatment", and billions in government-funded research, these jokers can cure nothing. Besides, there's a lot more money in just "treating" something, as opposed to curing it. In fact, if you listen to them, they will tell you that mental illness is on the rise - that should immediately tell YOU about their effectiveness. If they were effective, mental illness would be on the decline. By their own mouths, they confess their incompetence.
Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that their kids were diagnosed in school. Since when has any school (usually an organ of the State) official been in the business of practicing medicine ? Would you take your truck to your lawyer or dentist to have an engine problem diagnosed ? Or have your doctor review a legal contract you are considering signing ?
Psychiatry itself is a barbaric practice. Examine it's history for yourself - it's all out there. Forcible drugging with mind-altering substances, forced incarceration, insulin shock "therapy", electro-convulsive shock "therapy", "deep sleep" therapy (where patients are put into a coma for weeks or months at a time, while being given electroshock therapy and mind destroying drugs), brain operations that destroy some portion and function of the brain, rampant sexual abuse of patients, and on and on.
If you have the guts to take an honest look, it's enough to make any rational, feeling human being puke.
Governments tend to be in favor of it and will fund it (not because it is effective in curing anything though - but because it makes people quieter, more compliant, easier to control)
Joe Stalin was a big fan of it - for all his detractors and opponents, of course.
Or just read "Mass Murders: Men in White Coats - The Men Behind Hitler" to see where old Adolph got his ideas from.
You want to know what these drugs do - consider but just these few examples:
T.J. Solomon - 15 year-old from Conyers, Georgia, shot six classmates in May 1999, on Ritalin;
Eric Harris - 18 year-old, one of the two Columbine killers, on anti-depressant Luvox;
Kip Kinkel - 15-year-old from Springfield, Oregon, who killed both his parents and two schoolmates, and wounded 20 other students in May 1998, - on anti-depressant Prozac;
Jarred Viktor - 16-year-old from California, convicted of murder - for stabbing his grandmother 61 times, on the anti-depressant Paxil;
Matt Miller - 13-year-old from Kansas committed suicide (he was found hanging in his closet) after taking the anti-depressant Zoloft ..... for just a week.
And there are hundreds upon hundreds .... even thousands ..... more.
And you want to trust these whack-jobs with the care and treatment of your or your childrens' minds ? ....... no thanks, I'll pass.
So I immediately become suspicious any time I hear rave reports about how "wonderful" they are ..... particularly when it's coming from someone that is on a drug that alters their perceptions and ability to think. Kinda reminds me of back in the day ..... of certain friends ...... that were on drugs (LSD, mescaline, peyote, PCP, crystal meth, Quaaludes, ..... you name it, they did it) describing how "wonderful" these substances were. ......... shyeah, right .....
Ritalin is classified by the DEA under Title 21 as a Schedule 2 drug. Schedule 2 is reserved for drugs that have a very, very limited medical use. (Schedule 1 is for drugs that have no valid medical use whatsoever I believe) Another example of a Schedule 2 drug is ..... cocaine .... or opium.
Ritalin is a stimulant. It's basically speed. So is Adderall - it's combo ****tail of four different amphetamine salts. Anyone who cares to, can inform themselves of what effects long-term stimulant use has on an individual - there are both mental and physical effects - none of them particularly good. Try Googling Tardive Dystonia or Tardive Dyskinesia - as but of the two permanent physical conditions, which result from the use of psychiatric drugs.
Or ya can jut keep taking it .... cause it makes ya feel really good ....
It is fairly clear (to me at least) why a truck driver might want to use these type of drugs - either knowingly - or by allowing themselves to remain conveniently ignorant of what they are actually doing, relying on the advice of their drug pusher .... ahhh, I mean ..... good doctor ....
This all would actually be pretty funny .... if it weren't so sad ..... or so dangerous ...... the big mantra for the last 40 (or 100) years has been to not use drugs (.... "Just Say No" ...)
The reason for this is that it was (as in, used to be) widely understood that drug use, generally, isn't a healthy thing. Drugs aren't food or vitamins .... they are drugs. There are times when some drug use on limited basis might be warranted - simply because the alternative is alot worse. (A good example would be syphilis and penicillin)
And then along came the chemical companies and Big Pharma .......
The public however, at this point in time, has largely succumbed to a media and propaganda campaign (waged by big-money Pharma) that some drugs aren't really "drugs" .... or that some drugs are "better" than other drugs .... or that drugs are "good" (.... or at least aren't harmful) .... sort of a kind of "candy" .......... that makes ya "all better" ..... Interestingly, the "good drugs" just happen to be the ones that pharmaceutical companies manufacture and sell ..... and make billions of dollars on, every single year.
The Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) of Psychiatry lists all "recognized" mental illnesses and disorders. It has been growing at an ever-increasing rate, listing more and more illnesses and disorders every year. Most people aren't even aware of how a so-called "psychiatric illness" or "disorder" becomes "officially" recognized as one. It isn't really from any actual scientific research (at least that a true scientist would recognize as being "scientific") - it's just that every year or so the APA (American Psychiatric Association) gets together and the members vote to include certain things (behaviors mostly) as so-called "illnesses" or "disorders" ........ medicine by committee ....... what a joke. A great way to create market for your services .... but a mighty poor way to practice medicine.
These aren't actually true illnesses as the general public would understand the term. There isn't a bacteria or virus that causes them. In fact, the psychs will be the first to tell you they don't truly know the cause (in other words they are just guessing) ..... although it is often said that the cause is a chemical imbalance in the brain. I have yet to see any study or medically recognized testing procedure, which actually shows a deficiency of any psych drug in anyone's system (And believe me - I've spent countless hours in university medical libraries in a former life looking through the research trying to find a study that shows or demonstrates "chemical imbalance") The reason for that is ....... bingo !!!!!!!! ..... there aren't any.
Or to meet a person who has had a brain biopsy done that showed they were deficient of a particular drug. (If this procedure were required prior to prescription of psych drugs, I suspect there would be a lot smaller market for psych drugs.)
What gets listed in the DSM are merely "observed phenomena" - examples of some type of human behavior - generally considered (by some at least, if not the person who is exhibiting it) to be "abnormal". Just because one can observe something and call it a name, does not mean that they are qualified to judge whether that behavior is "normal" or "abnormal" for any given individual, given that particular individual's physical state, experiences, and current life situation. To say nothing of being able to actually do anything effective to cure or treat it.
And ask yourself this - ever meet a psych that has said he can cure one of these diseases or disorders ? Probably never happen .... simply because, after a couple of hundred years of observation and so-called "treatment", and billions in government-funded research, these jokers can cure nothing. Besides, there's a lot more money in just "treating" something, as opposed to curing it. In fact, if you listen to them, they will tell you that mental illness is on the rise - that should immediately tell YOU about their effectiveness. If they were effective, mental illness would be on the decline. By their own mouths, they confess their incompetence.
Someone mentioned earlier in this thread that their kids were diagnosed in school. Since when has any school (usually an organ of the State) official been in the business of practicing medicine ? Would you take your truck to your lawyer or dentist to have an engine problem diagnosed ? Or have your doctor review a legal contract you are considering signing ?
Psychiatry itself is a barbaric practice. Examine it's history for yourself - it's all out there. Forcible drugging with mind-altering substances, forced incarceration, insulin shock "therapy", electro-convulsive shock "therapy", "deep sleep" therapy (where patients are put into a coma for weeks or months at a time, while being given electroshock therapy and mind destroying drugs), brain operations that destroy some portion and function of the brain, rampant sexual abuse of patients, and on and on.
If you have the guts to take an honest look, it's enough to make any rational, feeling human being puke.
Governments tend to be in favor of it and will fund it (not because it is effective in curing anything though - but because it makes people quieter, more compliant, easier to control)
Joe Stalin was a big fan of it - for all his detractors and opponents, of course.
Or just read "Mass Murders: Men in White Coats - The Men Behind Hitler" to see where old Adolph got his ideas from.
You want to know what these drugs do - consider but just these few examples:
T.J. Solomon - 15 year-old from Conyers, Georgia, shot six classmates in May 1999, on Ritalin;
Eric Harris - 18 year-old, one of the two Columbine killers, on anti-depressant Luvox;
Kip Kinkel - 15-year-old from Springfield, Oregon, who killed both his parents and two schoolmates, and wounded 20 other students in May 1998, - on anti-depressant Prozac;
Jarred Viktor - 16-year-old from California, convicted of murder - for stabbing his grandmother 61 times, on the anti-depressant Paxil;
Matt Miller - 13-year-old from Kansas committed suicide (he was found hanging in his closet) after taking the anti-depressant Zoloft ..... for just a week.
And there are hundreds upon hundreds .... even thousands ..... more.
And you want to trust these whack-jobs with the care and treatment of your or your childrens' minds ? ....... no thanks, I'll pass.
greg334
Veteran Expediter
Rlent,
there is a lot more to the anti-depression issue with kids. I can't understand how people can be prescribe them by family docs and don't understand parents who say 'well the doctor said they are all right for a 8 year old to take'.
The fact is that the data on some of the independent pharma studies never ever make it to the FDA and in the New Drug Application (NDA) there is no rules to force drug developers to include bad data from some of the studies.
The other thing is at the time I worked at the pharma company, their anti-depressants were never EVER tested on anyone under 20, and the company never had any reason to do so. The sales department would tell the docs exactly what they needed to know to push the drugs and they spent more on advertising of these drugs than they did in R&D.
So I can see a high suicide rate among kids, I can know there is one among adults who stop taking one and start taking another without the 30 to 90 days grace period between drugs.
But it is not really the drug companies fault for this, I blame the parents and the doctors - both have a responsibly but the doctors more so than anyone else. They should take the time to learn about the drugs first then try to fit the drug into the patents needs, not the other way around.
there is a lot more to the anti-depression issue with kids. I can't understand how people can be prescribe them by family docs and don't understand parents who say 'well the doctor said they are all right for a 8 year old to take'.
The fact is that the data on some of the independent pharma studies never ever make it to the FDA and in the New Drug Application (NDA) there is no rules to force drug developers to include bad data from some of the studies.
The other thing is at the time I worked at the pharma company, their anti-depressants were never EVER tested on anyone under 20, and the company never had any reason to do so. The sales department would tell the docs exactly what they needed to know to push the drugs and they spent more on advertising of these drugs than they did in R&D.
So I can see a high suicide rate among kids, I can know there is one among adults who stop taking one and start taking another without the 30 to 90 days grace period between drugs.
But it is not really the drug companies fault for this, I blame the parents and the doctors - both have a responsibly but the doctors more so than anyone else. They should take the time to learn about the drugs first then try to fit the drug into the patents needs, not the other way around.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Oh yeah ... you ain't kiddin there is (but perhaps not exactly in the way you are thinking .....
)Well, it's a glimpse of the race to bottom in terms of individual intelligence and common sense.
It is what happens when one trusts so-called "authorities" - rather than relying on one's own ability to observe, evaluate data, and come to a rational conclusion. Authorities who have financial interests or some other vested interest (reputation, position of authority, etc.) at stake.
That used to be the case - but isn't any longer as of September 2007. FDA reform legislation providing consumer rights and clinical drug trial transparency was passed that among other things:
Required drug ads to carry a conspicuous notice: “You are encouraged to report negative side effects of prescription drugs to the FDA. Visit MedWatch Home Page or call 1-800-FDA-1088.”
Required Drug companies to publicly post all results of their drug clinical trials on the Internet, including the negative. They can no longer selectively choose what they want consumers to know.
If any drug maker submitted false information on a clinical trial, the FDA is to post a notice stating: “The entry for this clinical trial was found to be false or misleading and therefore not in compliance with the law.”
The FDA is mandated to monitor drug advertisements and if they are false or misleading, fine drug makers up to $10 million.
It ain't a total solution - just a start - to cleaning up the snakepit that is the pharmaceutical industry.
Nor are drugs generally ever tested for interactions with other drugs - a fact very few people are aware of. The FDA relies on reports of adverse reactions to police this - and they will admit that just a small portion of adverse reactions are ever actually reported (and even when they are, the FDA may be very slow to move - no big surprise, given the fact that the medicos that sit on FDA advisory panels often have financial connections and are having their research funded by the same company whose products they are charged with policing .... well duh !)
So - how does it feel to be a guinea pig ?
Yeah ... you betcha. Tells where their real concerns actually lie - and it ain't with the consumers of their products.
Yup - but it ain't just the "stop taking them" aspect that's the problem - it's the taking of them AT ALL - PERIOD.
Dr. Caligari's Psychiatric Drugs might be an interesting read for anyone who wants a little insight on what these drugs actually do. Dunno if it's still in print or not.
It is absolutely the drug companies fault. However the fact that it is, does not absolve others (parents and doctors) of their own individual responsibilities.
Yeah, well, I'm not a big fan of drugs generally speaking - sometimes there may be little other choice if ya wanna keep breathing. But on the whole we have moved into a therapeutic society ...... where every little ache, pain, problem and difficulty requires a chemical solution. Often they are ones that don't solve the problem - just merely submerge or cover up the symptom. The problem is still there .... ya just can't see it .... maybe .....
Got news ..... Life isn't always a bed of roses ..... sometimes it can hurt and be painful ... the fact that there is pain and pleasure, hurt, anguish, joy, boredom, elation, despair, grief and a whole host of other emotions and conditions .... these are all things which compose some portion of Life.
Without them, Life wouldn't be Life.
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Some kids are, by and large, naturally hyper active. They always have been, and they always will be. People, both parents and teachers, managed to settle these kids down and teach them how to use self-control, to learn to concentrate, to learn how to think, to learn how to live, long before Ritalin and other drugs were available. There is nothing wrong with these kids - that's who they are. The only reason to medicate them into sedate submission is because you are too lazy, or ill equipped yourself, to put forth the effort in engaging these kids with something that captures their interest and teaches them how to learn, how to concentrate, how to sit still and how to learn self-control. Next time you shove a pill down your kid's throat, are you truly gonna feel good about doing long-term damage to your child simply because it's easier for you in the here and now?
Certain types of fat are made up of long-chain molecules, and other types of fat are made up of short-chain molecules. The human body has evolved to learn how to deal with these types of molecules, and breaks then down with ease. Trans fats are made up of medium-chain molecules, something that does not exist in nature, and our bodies cannot cope with them. The results are all kinds of nasty. Imagine how well equipped the human body is to deal with the various man-made molecules of modern drugs that alter the state and chemistry of the brain, molecules that are far more complex than anything found in nature. Yeah, gimme one of those.
Certain types of fat are made up of long-chain molecules, and other types of fat are made up of short-chain molecules. The human body has evolved to learn how to deal with these types of molecules, and breaks then down with ease. Trans fats are made up of medium-chain molecules, something that does not exist in nature, and our bodies cannot cope with them. The results are all kinds of nasty. Imagine how well equipped the human body is to deal with the various man-made molecules of modern drugs that alter the state and chemistry of the brain, molecules that are far more complex than anything found in nature. Yeah, gimme one of those.
RLENT
Veteran Expediter
Ya know ... you're probably right .... but:
If I were in Safety, I'm fairly sure I'd want to know if someone were on a mind-altering drug.
In fact, I'm not in Safety - I'm just a regular joe on the street - and I absolutely want to know (so I can walk the other direction)
And if I were the carrier's insurance company (or the individuals for that matter), I think I'd probably sure as *ell like to know as well.
But like I said .... you're probably right.
..... say ..... have you ever heard of something called .... amphetamine-induced psychosis ?
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