McConnell: No real deficit deal until Obama is gone

[witness23]

The real spin is in the comments of the OP. This isn't about getting Obama out of the White House or else we refuse to reach a deal, it's about Obama refusing to actually compromise to get a deal done. It's about flat out not being able to get one done as long as he refuses to budge. Obama won't give in to compromise in real spending cuts, and any tax reform he will consider must be tied to still more of the same redistribution of wealth crap. Obama wants token spending cuts and more taxes to reduce the deficit, while everybody else just wants the government to stop spending money they don't have in the first place and to live within their means just like the rest of us. He wants both parties to take on their sacred cows, but he wants Republicans, not Democrats, to really mean it. Result? No real solution to the deficit can be reached with this man in office.

You seriously do not think this is about getting the President out of the White House? Wow.

The bottom line is that the Republican party is stuck between a rock and hard place. The true goal is to end the "entitlement" programs altogether, S.S., Medicare and Medicaid that the Tea Party members of Congress want to do away with. Those that are not Tea Party members are torn on which way to go with this. Because they know that these programs are not "evil" and with a little work can be done properly and be solvent for the long term. Look, if you don't like the "entitlement" programs there is no talking about the subject unless you are for collapsing the system, because that's the only way to get rid of those programs and to start all over with a clean slate. I'm not saying that's what the Republicans want to do, but there is just no other way of accomplishing what the Tea Party wants. The Republicans are looking like fools, if you remember the Ryan plan raised the debt-ceiling with smaller cuts and the Republicans voted for it. So they were fine with the debt-ceiling being raised. Now if they say yes to the President, the Tea Partiers will be up in arms with them even though they are getting deeper spending cuts, worse yet, they would be looked at like they are getting in bed with public enemy #1(can't have that ya know). The Republicans used the Tea Party and the Tea Party screwed up by backing the Republicans. Quite simple really. Now they are at odds with one another with the Middle-Class being played like pawns.

Here's the problem, the President royally screwed up when he didn't just allow the Bush Tax Cuts expire when they were supposed to at the end of 2010. Instead he tried to compromise with the Republicans by letting the tax cuts stay in place except for those making 200k or 250k a year. Then he didn't even get that, he extended them altogether. Like it or not, we went to war for the first time in our history and lowered taxes (stupid) at the same time. I am not blaming Bush, I am blaming our representives that allowed this to happen. So we end up borrowing our way through the Iraq and Afghanistan wars and helping out our allies in other areas of the world, without being able to pay for it. I am for letting the Bush Tax Cuts expire all together for everyone, reform S.S., Medicare, Medicaid and welfare, starting with the inefficiencies and the corruption that goes on in those programs and bring the costs down. And get rid of tax loopholes!

You say the White House hasn't brought real spending cuts to the table? They are proposing 40 Billion in cuts.

Here is more on the cuts that were proposed from the White House:

Link: 2011 budget cuts now on the table - Apr. 12, 2011

NEW YORK (CNNMoney) -- Lawmakers lifted the curtain Tuesday on a 2011 spending plan that will slash nearly $40 billion -- cutting back on a wide range of programs and services including high-speed rail, emergency first responders and the National Endowment for the Arts.

The measure represents the single biggest cut ever made to the federal budget in one year.

I was wondering, do you think that tackling the deficit can be done by lowering taxes alone? Obama has put "entitlements" on the table, Medicare and Social Security along with many programs the Democrats hold sacred. My opinion is that taxes have to go back to what they were and there has to be real spending cuts across the board including defense spending and an overhaul of the "entitlement" programs proposed in the above link that go even further, but not all at once.

The Republicans and Democrats are playing chicken and McConnell blinked yesterday by saying they would give the President the power to raise the debt-ceiling without attaching any spending cuts to the bill. Without the debt-ceiling what do the Republicans have as a negotiating chip? Nothing.

 

[tbubster]

witness23
First responders.leave them alone and out of it otherwise we wind up with more people dying because the first responder dont have the training or the equpment to do the job.look at the guy who drowned last month in cali while the fire dept watched.all becasue they said they had no money for water rescue training!

nice try on trying to put some fake spin on it by the waythose proposed cuts are from the budget that was already passed for 2011.Is this the best you can come up with.trying to use the proposed cuts from the last budget bill and pass them off as cuts being offerd now? yeah your right its the republicans that are in trouble "NOT".

you are right about one thing though Obama has put the sacred cows of entitlements on the table.but only Obama has the rest of the democrats are saying no cuts.and nothing gets to Obamas desk with out going through the democrat controlled senate.

IF the taxes for the rich are such a issue for the democrats why did more democrats then republicans vote to extend the cuts??

you see thats just it a man can go on tv and say what he wants,and people can choice to belive him or they can do the smart thing and look at his voteing record to see where he really stands on the issues.I find it funny you blame the republicans for the very things that if you just took the time and did the research you would see leads right back to democrats.

Example!!!!!!!! harry reid yeasterday goes on TV and says that not voteing to raise the debt ceiling is wrong.That it is something that needs to be done for the good of the country.said the only reason the republicans dont want to raise it is because there is a democrat in the white house!well here is what REID had to say in 2006 when bush wanted to raise the debt limit."How can the republican majority in this congress explain to their constituent,that trillions of dollars in new debt is good for the economy.How can they explain that they think its fair to force our children,our grandchildren,our great grandchildren to finance this debt throug higher taxes.Thats what it will have to be.Why its right to increase our nations dependence on foreign creditors."He then went on to vote against raising the debt limit.So not only was REID against raising the limit,REID was against raising taxes to pay for it!!

you say McConnell blinked well here is how I look at it.the democrats alone raise the debt limit.Then next year when it comes election time and we are worse off because the democrats refused to make cuts the democrats in congress are the only ones to blame.Obama will be the only democrat that can say I wanted cuts.

 

[Turtle]

You seriously do not think this is about getting the President out of the White House? Wow.

You are easily wowed. There is no way the Republicans could stand firm and refuse a budget for a year and a half just to get Obama out of the White House. If they did that, it would nearly ensure a Democratic sweep in 2012.

You say the White House hasn't brought real spending cuts to the table? They are proposing 40 Billion in cuts.

No, largely it's the Clinton Smoke and Mirrors of reducing what they were going to spend, and calling that a spending cut. They are also from last year's budget, not this year's.

I was wondering, do you think that tackling the deficit can be done by lowering taxes alone?

That's pretty funny. Reducing taxes, if that's the only thing done, and no spending cuts are made, then no, lowering taxes probably won't have an appreciable effect on lowering the deficit.

We already pay far too much in taxes in this country. For the time being, Congress should leave taxes where they are, take a look at what revenue that gets them, and then spend accordingly. Not a penny more than they have coming in. Once they've done that for a couple of years, then additional (massive) cuts can be made and taxes can then be lowered accordingly.

There are far too many federal agencies and feel-good programs that accomplish nothing and need to be done away with. I'm fine with eliminating every agency and entitlement and and budget item that didn't exist in 1970. That would include WIC, the EPA, a whole host of 'em.

The Republicans and Democrats are playing chicken and McConnell blinked yesterday by saying they would give the President the power to raise the debt-ceiling without attaching any spending cuts to the bill. Without the debt-ceiling what do the Republicans have as a negotiating chip? Nothing.

Be blinked? LOL OK, if you want to look at it that way. But my previous post stands that it's not about stalling until they get Obama out of the White House, as you seem to think. Like I said, if the Republicans did that (which is absolutely absurd), then the problems that would result even 2 or 3 months from now would ensure few if any Republicans got elected in 2012. Everybody knows the debt ceiling has to be raised, and will be raised. But everybody also knows that a workable bipartisan deal on the budget will not be worked out before August second.

As for giving Obama the power to raise the debt ceiling without attaching spending cuts to the bill, that's not entirely accurate. The budget will not get done before the August 2 drop-dead date, but the debt ceiling needs to be raised regardless. It'll take a lot longer to get a budget done, and the power McConnell is giving Obama is rather sweeping power to increase the government’s borrowing authority, in increments, by up to $2.4 trillion (which is estimated to be enough to cover federal obligations through next year. But he ONLY gets that deal IF Obama specifies spending cuts of equal amounts to the amount borrowed. Congress won't even have to approve the debt limit borrowing or the spending cuts. It's all up to Obama. He wants the ball, let him have it for a while. There's no blinking involved.

 

[witness23]

witness23
First responders.leave them alone and out of it otherwise we wind up with more people dying because the first responder dont have the training or the equpment to do the job.look at the guy who drowned last month in cali while the fire dept watched.all becasue they said they had no money for water rescue training!

First of all this is a local issue, not a federal issue. Locally they made the decision to cut that program. That's a whole other issue.

nice try on trying to put some fake spin on it by the waythose proposed cuts are from the budget that was already passed for 2011. Is this the best you can come up with.trying to use the proposed cuts from the last budget bill and pass them off as cuts being offerd now yeah your right its the republicans that are in trouble "NOT".

Here is the list of cuts, from FY2010 to FY2011. http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/storysupplement/finalprogramcuts.pdf?iid=EL

you are right about one thing though Obama has put the sacred cows of entitlements on the table.but only Obama has the rest of the democrats are saying no cuts.and nothing gets to Obamas desk with out going through the democrat controlled senate.

So you admit that the President has offered cuts to some "entitlement" programs? Yes, there are a hand full of Democrats that are saying no to those cut, but not enough of them to stop it from getting to Obama's desk to sign it.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Is this graphic ok for Sesame Street"

 

[dieseldiva]

I don't know how anyone can continue to defend this marxist, especially after the idiot statement he made on CBS last night about the SS checks to our seniors. Who among us doesn't have at least one senior that we care about? Now imagine that senior watching CBS and ONLY CBS news and hearing that last night and believing it. It's inexusable for the President of The United States of America to lie and fear monger in order to get his way.

Did he not think that someone would point our the inaccuracies of his statement? CNS has a good article WITH LINKS.

 

[tbubster]

First of all this is a local issue, not a federal issue. Locally they made the decision to cut that program. That's a whole other issue.



Here is the list of cuts, from FY2010 to FY2011. http://money.cnn.com/news/economy/storysupplement/finalprogramcuts.pdf?iid=EL




So you admit that the President has offered cuts to some "entitlement" programs? Yes, there are a hand full of Democrats that are saying no to those cut, but not enough of them to stop it from getting to Obama's desk to sign it.

if the first responders are a local issue why are you saying Obama and democratics are offering cut to their funding.that alone should show you the democrats are not for real.I mean by your own words it is not a federal issue so how can they say we are willing to make cuts on something that is not at the federal level???????????????????????

listen to the dems in congress there is no way there is enough of them that are gonna cut "welfare" real cuts any way.and there is more then a hand full by the way!!

post the link all you want the link has nothing to do with the debit celilng being raised.it was about the 40 billion in cuts for the last budget.never mind the fact when we are talking about trillions of dollars 40 billion is just change in a bucket(OBAMA IDEA OF HOPE AND CHANGE).As of right now the democrats have really offered nothing up on the debit ceiling.Just more talk about how the republican are messing around and playing chicken.

say what you want does not change the fact that in 06 none of the democrat leaders voted for raising the ceiling.the same ones who now are slamming republicans for even thinking about doing the same thing.say what you want about republicans they are not the ones that are playing chicken.this whole thing is not something knew.why didnt they do anything about it when they had total control of congress for two years?????????????say want you want when you take a person for there word and not do your own research you are the one who looks foolish.

 

[tbubster]

I don't know how anyone can continue to defend this marxist, especially after the idiot statement he made on CBS last night about the SS checks to our seniors. Who among us doesn't have at least one senior that we care about? Now imagine that senior watching CBS and ONLY CBS news and hearing that last night and believing it. It's inexusable for the President of The United States of America to lie and fear monger in order to get his way.

Did he not think that someone would point our the inaccuracies of his statement? CNS has a good article WITH LINKS.

scareing people is what the democrats like to do.I guess if it were to happen it would be to easy for them to print and send out the checks a couple of days early.or just do it like bill clinton did when we ran out of money in 96.Its eaiser for them to scare people and blame the republicans then to really offer up any way to fix the problems.

the sad thing about OBAMA saying this is. Is it not the democrats that have been saying for years there is nothing wrong with SS it has enough money to last for another 20-25 years.there is no reason to reform it!now when it looks like they might not get their way, the money might not be there.I mean really where did that money go.

and thats the problem he does not think for himself he has a thinking czar for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I don't know how anyone can continue to defend this marxist, especially after the idiot statement he made on CBS last night about the SS checks to our seniors. Who among us doesn't have at least one senior that we care about? Now imagine that senior watching CBS and ONLY CBS news and hearing that last night and believing it. It's inexusable for the President of The United States of America to lie and fear monger in order to get his way.

Did he not think that someone would point our the inaccuracies of his statement? CNS has a good article WITH LINKS.

The Republicans need to take a page out of the Democrats Deception for Dummies. "The Democrats want senior citizens to eat dog food! And if you already eat dog food, then they want you to eat bird food!"

"They're going to take away your walker, grandma! They're going to send you to war, grandpa! They're going to give you a lobotomy, mammaw! Obama wants to kill your puppies and kitties! He's going to fry them up into soul food, and serve em to the Chinese ambassador! He's gonna..." Well, you get the idea.