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OntarioVanMan

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Factory Orders Outpace Inventories, ISM Reports | Journal of Commerce

Factory Orders Outpace Inventories, ISM Reports
Joseph Bonney | Mar 1, 2011 5:50PM GMT
The Journal of Commerce Online - News Story

Need to replenish supply chains could bring increased freight shipments

U.S. manufacturing expanded in February at the fastest pace since 2004, and new orders outpaced inventories, suggesting freight shipments may see an increase in bookings to replenish supply chains, the Institute for Supply Management reported.

The ISM factory index increased to 61.4 from 60.8 in January, the Tempe, Arizona-based group said. Readings greater than 50 signal growth.

The index of new orders rose to 68 from 67.8 in January while the index measuring manufacturers’ inventories dipped to 48.8, signaling contraction, from 52.4 in January. Customers’ inventories contracted at an even faster rate, with the index shrinking to 40 from 45.5.

By The Numbers: ISM U.S. New Manufacturing Orders Index Vs. ISM U.S. Manufacturing Inventory index

“New orders are growing significantly faster than inventories, and the Customers’ Inventories Index indicates supply chain inventories will require continuing replenishment,” said Norbert J. Ore, chair of ISM’s Manufacturing Business Survey Committee.

Manufacturing has been a bright spot in the economic recovery, helping offset weakness in housing and employment. ISM’s employment index indicated that manufacturers are adding jobs. The index rose to 64.5 from 61.7 in January, and is above 60 for only the third time in a decade.

Separate manufacturing indexes showed manufacturing expanding in Europe in February at the fastest pace in more than 10 years, while the rate of growth at Chinese factories was the slowest in six months.

The China Purchasing Managers’ Index dropped to 52.2 from a January reading of 52.9, the China Federation of Logistics and Purchasing said. India’s manufacturing, meanwhile, expanded at the quickest pace in three months, according to a survey by HSBC and Markit Economics.
 

greg334

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The catch is this little thing;

"ISM’s employment index indicated that manufacturers are adding jobs."

See a lot of "adding jobs" is not happening at the rate that needs to take place, mainly because of efficiency and cross training and so on. People who don't get the big picture keep saying any job is a good job but there has to be complete employment that is sustainable for more than 18 months to actually have an impact.

Tie this with the fact that even if private sector jobs increase by 500k monthly, we will still be far below the pre-recession levels until 2014 but it may not be enough to offset the loss of jobs in the public sector like states who have to cut their numbers drastically.

ON top of all of that, there is a fear that the housing market may collapse under the new proposed laws that remove the loan guarantees for housing up to $750k. With out that guarantee, the lenders will have to be forced to actually take in account the risk of lending money and will end up requiring a large down payment as it used to be.
 

OntarioVanMan

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The catch is this little thing;

"ISM’s employment index indicated that manufacturers are adding jobs."

See a lot of "adding jobs" is not happening at the rate that needs to take place, mainly because of efficiency and cross training and so on. People who don't get the big picture keep saying any job is a good job but there has to be complete employment that is sustainable for more than 18 months to actually have an impact.

Tie this with the fact that even if private sector jobs increase by 500k monthly, we will still be far below the pre-recession levels until 2014 but it may not be enough to offset the loss of jobs in the public sector like states who have to cut their numbers drastically.

ON top of all of that, there is a fear that the housing market may collapse under the new proposed laws that remove the loan guarantees for housing up to $750k. With out that guarantee, the lenders will have to be forced to actually take in account the risk of lending money and will end up requiring a large down payment as it used to be.
and that part is a good thing....I don't think "the American dream" was with government assistance.
 

bobwg

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The catch is this little thing;

"ISM’s employment index indicated that manufacturers are adding jobs."

See a lot of "adding jobs" is not happening at the rate that needs to take place, mainly because of efficiency and cross training and so on. People who don't get the big picture keep saying any job is a good job but there has to be complete employment that is sustainable for more than 18 months to actually have an impact.

Tie this with the fact that even if private sector jobs increase by 500k monthly, we will still be far below the pre-recession levels until 2014 but it may not be enough to offset the loss of jobs in the public sector like states who have to cut their numbers drastically.

ON top of all of that, there is a fear that the housing market may collapse under the new proposed laws that remove the loan guarantees for housing up to $750k. With out that guarantee, the lenders will have to be forced to actually take in account the risk of lending money and will end up requiring a large down payment as it used to be.
I have no problem with the govt helping with loan guarantee for veterans ,first responders, maybe some others, but upto $750k no way this should be for no more than $100k -$150k
 

greg334

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and that part is a good thing....I don't think "the American dream" was with government assistance.

Well I don't see the American dream as owning a home, that is a fallacy that came after WW2 to sell homes. The American Dream is the opportunity to be what you want to be and on your own terms which doesn't require government involvement at all.


I have no problem with the govt helping with loan guarantee for veterans ,first responders, maybe some others, but upto $750k no way this should be for no more than $100k -$150k

See I am having an issue grappling with this veteran thing.

I can understand when in WW2 we had a large amount of people go off and fight a war only to return to a changed country where they may not have had the oppertunity to go to school or to start a family but today we don't have a large war where the population is actually affected or where the people who joined to fight the war are coming home to a changed country. I don't want to end benefits for those who fought but those who didn't, I think it is time we start to look at it as limiting those benefits to a more realistic package.
 

Ragman

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See I am having an issue grappling with this veteran thing.

I can understand when in WW2 we had a large amount of people go off and fight a war only to return to a changed country where they may not have had the oppertunity to go to school or to start a family but today we don't have a large war where the population is actually affected or where the people who joined to fight the war are coming home to a changed country. I don't want to end benefits for those who fought but those who didn't, I think it is time we start to look at it as limiting those benefits to a more realistic package.

Wow, You may have opened up a hornets nest with this one. :eek:
 

OntarioVanMan

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No..I don't think so....Ragman....because todays vet is so much different then WW2...whole different life story....They`aren't doing a 5 yr hitch all at the same time...they can communicate with family and friends...they weren't swooped out of school....most have an education now....they have a life when they return...
 

Ragman

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No..I don't think so....Ragman....because todays vet is so much different then WW2...whole different life story....They`aren't doing a 5 yr hitch all at the same time...they can communicate with family and friends...they weren't swooped out of school....most have an education now....they have a life when they return...

OH, I totally agree!!! I am just pointing out a position that some may disagree and will come out in droves.
 

greg334

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Wow, You may have opened up a hornets nest with this one. :eek:

Why would it be a hornet's nest?

We have to come to grips with reality, one of those realities is that we can't afford to do what we could do in the past. Maintaining programs just because people say they need to be maintained is stupid.

People scream about the entitlement programs and how they ruin the country, but those people seem to leave out their favorite ones, like many in the tea party wanting to protect Social Security and Medicare. Vet benefits are high on my list of things, even over my own social security but I think everything should be on the table and there should be a clear distinction between someone who joined and someone who went off to fight.

Guaranteeing a loan for a combat vet - yes but outside of that, nope.
 

Ragman

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Why would it be a hornet's nest?

We have to come to grips with reality, one of those realities is that we can't afford to do what we could do in the past. Maintaining programs just because people say they need to be maintained is stupid.

People scream about the entitlement programs and how they ruin the country, but those people seem to leave out their favorite ones, like many in the tea party wanting to protect Social Security and Medicare. Vet benefits are high on my list of things, even over my own social security but I think everything should be on the table and there should be a clear distinction between someone who joined and someone who went off to fight.

Guaranteeing a loan for a combat vet - yes but outside of that, nope.

Again, I don't disagree, I totally agree.

It just seems to me, we have a mentality in this country right now of that of our troops are the second comming. Worship the ground on which they walk on.

Don't take this as a slam on anybody that serves. I really admire anybody that does, But they CHOSE to serve.

With that said, their are those that will argue with you to give a vet anything and everything they want.

I am not one of them.
 

OntarioVanMan

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Again, I don't disagree, I totally agree.

It just seems to me, we have a mentality in this country right now of that of our troops are the second comming. Worship the ground on which they walk on.

Don't take this as a slam on anybody that serves. I really admire anybody that does, But they CHOSE to serve.

With that said, their are those that will argue with you to give a vet anything and everything they want.

I am not one of them.
Welcome to the hornets nest.....lol

in for a penny...in for a pound...
 

Ragman

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Welcome to the hornets nest.....lol

in for a penny...in for a pound...

I just really iratates me when I hear that we OWE them this or that.

Again, I admire them for serving, but they chose that.

Perhaps it a generational thing, but, we didn't have a choice.
We were told you have to go.

Am I still bitter? You bet!!! :mad:

P.S. Just to set the record straight,
If one has paid the ultimate sacrafice, I don't have any problem with helping the family.
 
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OntarioVanMan

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I just really iratates me when I hear that we OWE them this or that.

Again, I admire them for serving, but they chose that.

Perhaps it a generational thing, but, we didn't have a choice.
We were told you have to go.

Am I still bitter? You bet!!! :mad:

P.S. Just to set the record straight,
If one has paid the ultimate sacrafice, I don't have any problem with helping the family.
I see your point....for some it is a career choice to get a free education or get a trade...especially when we weren't at war...then all of a sudden..Holy crap I might get killed! then enlistment took a dive..
Now some are re enlisting..especially the ones not in combat roles reaping the sign on bonuses and college courses paid for.... that said....Thanks for your service no matter how small....you are all part of the team that makes it work...

how about wounded, amputee or disabled thru accident?
 
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Ragman

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I see your point....for some it is a career choice to get a free education or get a trade...especially when we weren't at war...then all of a sudden..Holy crap I might get killed! then enlistment took a dive..
Now some are re enlisting..especially the ones not in combat roles reaping the sign on bonuses and college courses paid for.... that said....Thanks for your service no matter how small....you are all part of the team that makes it work...

how about wounded, amputee or disabled thru accident?

Nope. Only the ultimate sacrafice.

Many, many, many vets were wounded, amputee or disabled and went on to lead very productive lives.

Can we say " John Swainson".
 

chefdennis

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I believe we have a "limited" obligation to "combat vets"...beynd that, notsomuch...My youngest sons best friend enlisted strictly for the education benefits and made that clear..when he was called up to go to iraq...he and parents started a letter writing campiagn saying "he didn't enlist to fight wars"....he gets nothing..including the education he wanted....
 

greg334

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Well I don't want this to be a bash against those who served in combat roles, but my point goes beyond what you both are saying and it has to do with what are we going to do to fix our real problems in our economy and our society. Unless we take hard hits on the "shared sacrifice" front, we won't get out of this and the 'lift' many see will be a passing fad at best.

Like interest rates and the need to make our economy strictly a consumer driven one by those with a vested interest with it, we have to seriously change our way of thinking to get back on track and many of those things are peripheral which need to be examined and changed to reduce our debt.
 

chefdennis

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and the 'lift' many see will be a passing fad at best.

"will be??" lol, any lift at this time is bs to begin with...the fake fed gov stated unemployment is back to over 9%, the ral unemployment, the U6 # is baxck to 17%we are still losing job faster then we are adding them...and no one is taking into affect the kids coming out of college that need jobs for the 1st time....I don't buy "orders" are up....up over what??? their highest point in 2004?? up over the lowest point since this bs started???
 

OntarioVanMan

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Ohhhhh, I thought this thread was going to be about plastic surgery.....:eek:
So dakota...as you are out here cruisin for "lift" lol has it ever occurred to ya that your wife has enough training to kill you in 1 move? AND cover it up.... *LOL*....;)
BTW...Happy Birthday....:)
 
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