Mass shooting du jour

[Pilgrim]

Well, are you for or against red flag laws? Im not sure what the law is in Indiana, but even if everyone knew what he was going to do, there might not have been any legal way to stop him.

If the red flag laws are meant to deal with persons who could be mentally ill and pose a threat to themselves or others, then these laws could definitely have some merit. However, they should make it easier to get disturbed people into treatment even if it includes confinement in an institution. Just confiscating their firearms won't cure crazy.

 

[danthewolf00]

Well, are you for or against red flag laws? Im not sure what the law is in Indiana, but even if everyone knew what he was going to do, there might not have been any legal way to stop him.

Lol red flag laws don't work if the law enforcement don't get told about the crazy person.

 

[Ragman]

This time on Nashville.
6 killed, 3 were children just 9 years old.

When will the rabid right join the rest of the civilized nation and say, Enough is Enough.

 

[LDB]

The sensible right said that long ago. The lunatic left thinks the only "enough" is blaming inanimate objects and innocent people.

 

[Turtle]

This time on Nashville.
6 killed, 3 were children just 9 years old.

When will the rabid right join the rest of the civilized nation and say, Enough is Enough.

And do what?

Sane people don't do mass shootings.

 

[LDB]

This time on Nashville.
6 killed, 3 were children just 9 years old.

When will the rabid right join the rest of the civilized nation and say, Enough is Enough.

The civilized nation is many many many millions of armed honest citizens living peacefully among each other and attempting to live peacefully with the uncivilized who want to blame them and denigrate them when it is in fact part of their uncivilized clan causing and being all the problems.

 

[danthewolf00]

This time on Nashville.
6 killed, 3 were children just 9 years old.

When will the rabid right join the rest of the civilized nation and say, Enough is Enough.

So a transgender person gos nuts and kills a bunch of people but you blame the gun not the person....

 

[danthewolf00]

You don't blame a car for what a drunk driver does...so don't blame a gun for what a crazy person does. People break the law not the car/gun.

 

[Pilgrim]

There are more details to come, but this individual was obviously mentally disturbed and there are people who were undoubtedly aware of her condition. A couple of stations have reported that she was autistic - as was the Sandy Hook shooter - but that has yet to be confirmed. Bottom line - when will we stop allowing people who are known to be mentally unstable to possess firearms? Mental health should also be a larger factor in the background check process for gun purchases. If the feds can check for covid vaccinations they should be able to check for mental health issues.

 

[coalminer]

There are more details to come, but this individual was obviously mentally disturbed and there are people who were undoubtedly aware of her condition. A couple of stations have reported that she was autistic - as was the Sandy Hook shooter - but that has yet to be confirmed. Bottom line - when will we stop allowing people who are known to be mentally unstable to possess firearms? Mental health should also be a larger factor in the background check process for gun purchases. If the feds can check for covid vaccinations they should be able to check for mental health issues.

And that is absolutely true, but there are too many on the "rabid right" that cant get past these words.... "shall not be infringed"

Any law abiding mentally competent adult should be able to buy a gun, unfortunately, they are in the minority these days.

 

[LDB]

There are more details to come, but this individual was obviously mentally disturbed and there are people who were undoubtedly aware of her condition. A couple of stations have reported that she was autistic - as was the Sandy Hook shooter - but that has yet to be confirmed. Bottom line - when will we stop allowing people who are known to be mentally unstable to possess firearms? Mental health should also be a larger factor in the background check process for gun purchases. If the feds can check for covid vaccinations they should be able to check for mental health issues.

Perhaps that will be soon after we stop preventing mental instability from being reported and recorded in someone's record, as it should be, so when they try to buy a gun the background check flags them as mentally disallowed. Oh. No. Our leftist friends won't allow that common sense reporting. Oops.

 

[coalminer]

Perhaps that will be soon after we stop preventing mental instability from being reported and recorded in someone's record, as it should be, so when they try to buy a gun the background check flags them as mentally disallowed. Oh. No. Our leftist friends won't allow that common sense reporting. Oops.

That is exactly what they are trying to do, its the NRA and their cronies that are stopping it. Use you voice to convince the people that are holding us back from common sense rules to keep guns out of the hands of mentally ill people.

 

[LDB]

I'm sure the NRA isn't against mental issues being reported to the NICS. It is the left who oppose that measure.

 

[Pilgrim]

That is exactly what they are trying to do, its the NRA and their cronies that are stopping it.

That's simply not the case. The NRA along with many millions of other gun enthusiasts and instructors do more for gun safety and common sense legislation than any of the "gun control" activists on the left.

The fact is that the Federal and State legislators not only won't enforce existing laws, but also refuse to enact more stringent legislation that prohibits the possession of firearms by the mentally ill. The current background check form #4473 (for those who want to google it) has only ONE section under question #21 that deals with the mental health of the purchaser, and that requires the purchaser to admit they have been "adjudicated mentally defective" or "institutionalized" for mental illness before a denial of purchase can happen. NOTHING that requires the purchaser to attest that their mental health is normal, and nothing that allows a search for mental health records that might reveal past or present treatment for mental issues. Current HIPPA laws prevent this.

Another issue that's so commonly found - as is the case in Nashville - is that parents, relatives and friends almost never want to deal with the seriousness of the mental illness of their children or relatives because of the social stigma. However, in this case it's come to light that the shooter was undergoing treatment for a mental disorder but the parents didn't know the shooter had SEVEN firearms hidden in various places around their home where she lived. They obviously knew their kid was seriously ill, had an interest and had possessed one firearm in the past, but still didn't consider she might be hiding weapons on the house. Seven guns and all the gear and ammo that goes with them are hard to conceal.

Bottom line, two primary problems here: (1)the parents turned a blind eye to what their daughter was doing with firearms, and (2) it's very difficult to get an adult committed to an institution for mental health treatment before they've proven they're a danger to themselves or others. This country simply doesn't want to deal with mental illness.

 

[danthewolf00]

Who shut most if not ALL of the mental health hospitals down......it wasn't insurance companies.

 

[Ragman]

Who shut most if not ALL of the mental health hospitals down......it wasn't insurance companies.

I can't say about other states, but in Michigan it was --- Republican Gov John Engler --- in 1997.

State of mental health care in Michigan

On World Mental Health Day, CBS Detroit is examining mental health care in Metro Detroit

www.cbsnews.com

 

[Pilgrim]

JFK started the demise of effective care for the severely mentally ill in 1963, when state institutions were defunded.

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/2013/02/04/fifty_years_of_failing_america039s_mentally_ill_301246.html

 

[muttly]

“Gender dysphoria” is considered a mental illness. It’s being promoted though.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1640870218216927232

 

[LDB]

 

[Turtle]

Generally speaking, Conservatives think and speak in terms of systems, where everyone has an equal opportunity. Whether it's elections, the Constitution, whatever. It's not even whether you win or lose, it's how you play the game. Equal opportunity.

Liberals, on the other hand, trend to speak and think I'm terms of Grievances and Goals. Slavery, reparations. You have money and I don't, give me money. How you achieve the goal is irrelevant, reaching the goal is the most important thing. It's now how you play the game, it's whether you win or not. And if you don't win, you have a grievance. And more often than n not, grievance turns violent.