Mammoth 'could be reborn in four years'

[EnglishLady]

Telegraph Jan 13

The woolly mammoth, extinct for thousands of years, could be brought back to life in as little as four years thanks to a breakthrough in cloning technology

Previous efforts in the 1990s to recover nuclei in cells from the skin and muscle tissue from mammoths found in the Siberian permafrost failed because they had been too badly damaged by the extreme cold.

But a technique pioneered in 2008 by Dr. Teruhiko Wakayama, of the Riken Centre for Developmental Biology, was successful in cloning a mouse from the cells of another mouse that had been frozen for 16 years.

Now that hurdle has been overcome, Akira Iritani, a professor at Kyoto University, is reactivating his campaign to resurrect the species that died out 5,000 years ago.

"Now the technical problems have been overcome, all we need is a good sample of soft tissue from a frozen mammoth," he told The Daily Telegraph.

He intends to use Dr Wakayama's technique to identify the nuclei of viable mammoth cells before extracting the healthy ones


What's next ... tyrannosaurus rex?

 

[Turtle]

Looks like mostly mammals, at least for now.

Meanwhile, Kinki University biology professor Akira Iritani is pleased with the development. Iritani, a leading member of the Mammoth Creation Project -- a Japanese organization that aims to resurrect the woolly mammoth by cloning frozen specimens -- estimates as many as 10,000 frozen mammoth specimens lie buried in ice around the world, waiting to be cloned.

Iritani also coordinates the "Pleistocene Park" project, which aims to set up a Jurassic Park-like sanctuary in northern Siberia populated with resurrected mammoths and other creatures that roamed the Earth 20,000 years ago. The envisioned park would cover an area twice the size of Japan and include woolly rhinos, Siberian tigers, steppe lions, giant deer, ancient foxes, and ancestors of the Siberian horse.

 

[layoutshooter]

Nature did not want them any more, man should not bring them back. That could open up a can of worms that we might never be able to close. NOT a good idea.

 

[Turtle]

That assumes man and nature are two different things. They are not. It also assumes canned worms are not part of nature. They are. Don't be a wormist. Man used to hunt and kill, and eat and wear woolly mammoths. It may very well be that man killed half a dozen too many, and if it were not for that, the mammoths would still be alive and kicking.

 

[layoutshooter]

That assumes man and nature are two different things. They are not. It also assumes canned worms are not part of nature. They are. Don't be a wormist. Man used to hunt and kill, and eat and wear woolly mammoths. It may very well be that man killed half a dozen too many, and if it were not for that, the mammoths would still be alive and kicking.

The latest thing I read on this was that they were most likely killed off by a virus or bacteria that multiplied and mutated faster during the period of extreme "Global Warming" that took place as the same time that they died out.

I doubt very much that there were enough people around to kill them off.

Worms are a part of nature but not can, therefor canned worms are not a part of nature. All of the mankind that was alive at that time is dead, therefor WE are not a part of nature at that time therefor we would be interfering with what nature wanted for them.

 

[EnglishLady]

Worms are a part of nature but not can, therefor canned worms are not a part of nature. All of the mankind that was alive at that time is dead, therefor WE are not a part of nature at that time therefor we would be interfering with what nature wanted for them

Wow, lost me there..... something about cans




Anyhoo I have seen the movie & trust me ... it doesn't end well

 

[layoutshooter]

Wow, lost me there..... something about cans




Anyhoo I have seen the movie & trust me ... it doesn't end well

There are "tin cans" "aluminum cans" and "canvasback ducks" which are nicknamed (cans) Worms tend to be place in the "tin or aluminum" type. Most "living cans" spend little time on land and only rarely eat worms!! SIMPLE!!

Get with the program!!

 

[EnglishLady]

There are "tin cans" "aluminum cans" and "canvasback ducks" which are nicknamed (cans) Worms tend to be place in the "tin or aluminum" type. Most "living cans" spend little time on land and only rarely eat worms!! SIMPLE!!

Get with the program!!

There's a program? what time is it on?



You do realise that this is bringing back ......

The Memory ...... of fishermen & the maggots don't you

 

[layoutshooter]

There's a program? what time is it on?



You do realise that this is bringing back ......

The Memory ...... of fishermen & the maggots don't you

Duck hunters do NOT use maggots for anything. No need to worry!! Canvasbacks would likely eat them if they had the chance.

 

[EnglishLady]

Duck hunters do NOT use maggots for anything. No need to worry!! Canvasbacks would likely eat them if they had the chance.

ROFL

On a more serious note though - I agree they should leave well enough alone.

Surely there is a better way to use this money

 

[layoutshooter]

Yeah, give me that money and I could spend FAR more time on Lake Eire!!

Pic for you to help:

Drake canvasback in full breeding colors: (I assume you know what a "tin can" looks like!!)

 

[pjjjjj]

Nature did not want them any more, man should not bring them back. That could open up a can of worms that we might never be able to close. NOT a good idea.

To me that is just a nutty thing to say, no offence to you personally LOS.
Can you imagine how many species would be extinct by now if man had not been smart enough to foresee some of the extinctions (through research, knowledge, travel) and take action to prevent it? Isn't that why there are fish and hunting 'seasons', so that females can be allowed to reproduce instead of being killed off, which could in turn kill off their species?
Also, isn't your comment akin to telling a couple who are unable to bear children (for whatever reason) that they just shouldn't have kids because nature doesn't want them to? (When maybe the reason is a simple fix)?

PS EnglishLady... what movie? What am I missing?

 

[EnglishLady]

Jurassic Park

 

[layoutshooter]

To me that is just a nutty thing to say, no offence to you personally LOS.
Can you imagine how many species would be extinct by now if man had not been smart enough to foresee some of the extinctions (through research, knowledge, travel) and take action to prevent it? Isn't that why there are fish and hunting 'seasons', so that females can be allowed to reproduce instead of being killed off, which could in turn kill off their species?
Also, isn't your comment akin to telling a couple who are unable to bear children (for whatever reason) that they just shouldn't have kids because nature doesn't want them to? (When maybe the reason is a simple fix)?

PS EnglishLady... what movie? What am I missing?

No offense taken. I was not even being all that fired serious anyway.

No, hunting seasons are not only there for protecting females of a species, it is far more complicated than that.

What happens if the mammoths are brought back and by doing so a disease that died out with them comes back as well? What if that disease is fatal to mankind?

 

[Turtle]

Surely there is a better way to use this money

Oh, I dunno. One can never tell what may result from scientific research.

When a student (Jamie Link) was doing her doctoral work in chemistry at the University of California, San Diego, one of the silicon chips she was working on burst. She discovered afterward that the tiny pieces still functioned as sensors. These teensy sensors can also be used to monitor the purity of drinking water, to detect hazardous chemical or biological agents in the air, or even to locate and destroy tumor cells in the body. None of these things she was working on, or even thinking about.

Charles Goodyear spent a decade finding ways to make rubber easier to work with while being resistant to heat and cold. Nothing was having the effect he wanted. One day he accidentally spilled a mixture of rubber, sulfur and lead onto a hot stove. The heat charred the mixture, but didn't ruin it. When Goodyear picked up the accident, he noticed that the mixture had hardened but was still quite usable. Vulcanized rubber was invented, and is now used in everything from tires, to shoes, to hockey pucks.
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In 1791 Luigi Galvani was an anatomist at the University of Bologna. Galvani was investigating the nerves in frog legs, and had threaded some legs on copper wire hanging from a balcony in such a way that a puff of wind caused the legs to touch the iron railing. A spark snapped and the legs jerked violently (even today, we speak of being "galvanized" into action). In one unintended step, Galvani had observed a closed electrical circuit, and related electricity to nerve impulses.
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[EnglishLady]

Oh, I dunno. One can never tell what may result from scientific research.

When a student (Jamie Link) was doing her doctoral work in chemistry at the University of California, San Diego, one of the silicon chips she was working on burst. She discovered afterward that the tiny pieces still functioned as sensors. These teensy sensors can also be used to monitor the purity of drinking water, to detect hazardous chemical or biological agents in the air, or even to locate and destroy tumor cells in the body. None of these things she was working on, or even thinking about.

Charles Goodyear spent a decade finding ways to make rubber easier to work with while being resistant to heat and cold. Nothing was having the effect he wanted. One day he accidentally spilled a mixture of rubber, sulfur and lead onto a hot stove. The heat charred the mixture, but didn't ruin it. When Goodyear picked up the accident, he noticed that the mixture had hardened but was still quite usable. Vulcanized rubber was invented, and is now used in everything from tires, to shoes, to hockey pucks.
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In 1791 Luigi Galvani was an anatomist at the University of Bologna. Galvani was investigating the nerves in frog legs, and had threaded some legs on copper wire hanging from a balcony in such a way that a puff of wind caused the legs to touch the iron railing. A spark snapped and the legs jerked violently (even today, we speak of being "galvanized" into action). In one unintended step, Galvani had observed a closed electrical circuit, and related electricity to nerve impulses.
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Those are all great benefits .... but what benefit do you see from cloning a mammoth?

 

[Turtle]

Those are all great benefits .... but what benefit do you see from cloning a mammoth?

I have no idea. That's my point. Scientists work on one thing, to try and achieve something specific, and they end up making some other discovery, and then other people figure out all the kewl things you can do with it.

For example, a guy named William Herschel was investigating the temperature differences between different colors of visible light by dispersing sunlight into a spectrum using a glass prism. He put thermometers into the different visible colors where he expected a temperature increase, and one as a control to measure the ambient temperature in the dark region beyond the red end of the spectrum. For one, who would have though something like that would have been done when the very first thermometer was being invented, and two, the thermometer beyond the red unexpectedly showed a higher temperature than the others, showing that there was non-visible radiation beyond the red end of the visible spectrum. Today, we use infrared radiation for night vision, de-icing of aircraft wings, in meteorology to determine the heights of clouds, fiber optic cable and it's how remote controls work. So, some guy is measuring the different temperatures of different colors of light, and then next thing you know we have remote controls for televisions and other appliances. All thanks to the thermometer.

Another example, someone was working rigging up an electronic gizmo to measure heartbeats, kind of like what eventually became the EKG, since that's what he was working on, an electrical circuit to help record fast heart sounds. But when he was building the thing, he reached into a drawer full of resistors for a 10,000 Ohm resistor to complete the circuit, and by accident grabbed a 1 mega Ohm resistor. The circuit pulsed for 1.8 milliseconds and then stopped for one second. Then it repeated. Boring. Until someone realized you could use that as a pacemaker for an irregular heartbeat.

The discovery of radioactivity gave us the smoke detector. It was a long way between the discovery and someone figuring out you could use radioactive material for a smoke detector, but that's the kind of things that can come out of new science and technology.

Super Glue was discovered by accident, and now not only do we use it as a glue, but everything from fake fingernails to coсkpit canopies are made from it.

The Wright Brothers flew a plane, Robbert Goddard invented the first liquid fueled rocket (and used a gyroscope that was invented to measure the speed of the Earth to guide it), and now we have satellite communications and people orbiting the Earth. I seriously doubt anyone predicted SiriumXM satellite radio when that fool idiot was inventing the gyroscope.

No telling what they might accidentally learn from cloning a several thousand year old frozen mammoth, and then someone else figuring out a way to use it in a completely new and different way. In the future, humans might be able to clone their own organs for personal transplantation or even regeneration of lost limbs. You could find that perfect cow with the insanely great flavor and perfect marbling and clone it like crazy. Who knows.

 

[EnglishLady]

Or ...

Mammoth mammoth burgers as a last resort

 

[Turtle]

Woolly Mammoth Rib Night

 

[EnglishLady]

Woolly Mammoth Rib Night

ROFL ... thats the one