Lunatic Right-wing Israeli Settlers Go on Further Rampages

[RLENT]

Not content with defacing Palestinian mosques and property as part of the “price tag” attack movement (as well as Christian cemeteries apparently), now these whack-jobs are attacking their own army - all based on a rumor apparently.

Fury in Israel After Settlers Attack Army Base

Smells like terrorism to me ..... apparently Defense Minister Ehud Barak thinks so as well.

 

[layoutshooter]

Not our problem, we are no longer going to be the world's policemen. That it their internal problem to deal with.

 

[RLENT]

Not our problem, we are no longer going to be the world's policemen. That it their internal problem to deal with.

I absolutely agree - therefore we should stop subsidizing it - by cutting off governmental foreign aid to Israel, along with everyone else that's currently sucking on the teat of Lady Liberty.

 

[greg334]

But if we are going to be considered a neutral party, we need to bring up the issue to them and ask them to do something. If we are going to add to the silence while at the same time acting as their "protector", then we look pretty d*mn bad to those in that part of the world.

I think perception is part of the issue here.

 

[tbubster]

But if we bring it up and tell them how we think it is wrong then that would be meddeling?????????Which way do you people want it?Its kinda like a fat guy always crying he cant lose weight yet eats three hamburgers for lunch.

 

[greg334]

But if we bring it up and tell them how we think it is wrong then that would be meddeling?????????Which way do you people want it?Its kinda like a fat guy always crying he cant lose weight yet eats three hamburgers for lunch.

Yes it would be meddling and this is why we need to decide as a country to stay out of these issues.

Israel is more than capable of handling their own defense and it is some skewed idea based in 1950's thinking that we need to be there to protect them. This seems to be predicated by the talk show people who see a link between them and us while ignoring the ramifications that cause us problems.

 

[layoutshooter]

Yep, live by the "Prime Directive".

Ignore what ever is going on within other countries. That includes all the good things we see and all the bad.

Great pipe dream, it is the right thing to do but it will never happen.

 

[RLENT]

Yep, live by the "Prime Directive".

Nope - maybe you should turn off Kirk and Spock, and read the Constitution and Founders instead.

Because that's what we're talking about.

Ignore what ever is going on within other countries. That includes all the good things we see and all the bad.

No one is talking about ignoring anything - we're talking about not intervening in others affairs - or interfering with others affairs with others.

Let me see if I can illustrate the idea of why it's not a good idea ..... in a way that ought to be quite real to you.

I once heard a story about a guy who had been up north hunting or something and had gotten in a bar fight and jailed.

I didn't think anything much about it at the time, but later I came to hear that this whole thing was ruse - a complete falsehood that someone thought was "cute".

Turns out that the individual this was done to didn't much care for it - figured that it might have affected his life in non-positive ways, in terms of his business dealings with others.

I suspect he was entirely correct - and had just cause to be offended that someone would do something of this nature to him, with bothering to have the decency to consider what the consequences might be.

That is the kinda crap our government does (in terms of foreign policy) - they screw with other peoples affairs that they have no business being involved in, without any regard to the consequences and harm it will cause.

Great pipe dream, it is the right thing to do but it will never happen.

Well, you better be praying that it does ..... because the alternative is something that should really give you nightmares ....

 

[layoutshooter]

Within this country. Outside, what is the answer?

We get involved, sometimes, when people are being killed in mass. Mainly when those doing the killing cannot fight back. Like in Libya. When Russia or China murder millions we sit by and watch.

If we use a "client" nation to try to put a stop to those actions, it's bad. If we take military action, a world war starts. When we ignore it, millions die. If a world war starts even more millions die.

I would LOVE to hear some solutions. Even handed solutions. What will we support and why? What we will oppose, and why? How will we support or oppose and why?

I venture to guess that no one hear has the answers and I doubt that Mr. Paul does.

 

[scottm4211]

Within this country. Outside, what is the answer?

We get involved, sometimes, when people are being killed in mass. Mainly when those doing the killing cannot fight back. Like in Libya. .

You tend to get involved when there is oil or other self interests involved. Otherwise theres plenty of genocides in Africa that would need "involvement".

 

[RLENT]

You tend to get involved when there is oil or other self interests involved. Otherwise theres plenty of genocides in Africa that would need "involvement".

.... thus saith the man, who standing afar back, can see both the forest and the trees ......

 

[greg334]

Within this country. Outside, what is the answer?

We get involved, sometimes, when people are being killed in mass. Mainly when those doing the killing cannot fight back.

Name me one legit unilateral operation that the US has done in the past 100 years that allowed us to actually protect anyone who can't fight back.

You can not.

There is a reason why, we can not fight for other people's lives until our is threatened. The wars power's act, the constitution has nothing to do with what happens to other people.

Like in Libya. When Russia or China murder millions we sit by and watch.

Well let's take each one separately;

Libya was a civil war and we intervened because we were still ****ed off at Qudaffi for his participating in "terrorist activities". NO one got the memo that he actually has helped us with Al Queda operations or that now we are still unsure that what we will have will be as helpful as before. I don't see the regime change worth our involvement.

China raises a great question, why didn't Truman allow MacCarthur to invade China under the UN flag?

If we are going to say we sat aruond and did nothing, then maybe we need to reexamine our own history of sitting around when we had actual reasons to get involved - like Africa.

The same goes for Russia, we did help but we were limited and more so when they got the bomb. If we were going to wage war against them, it had to be in May of 1945, not in August of 1955.

Remember we forget things like the DP and POW camps where thousands died in our care. We tend to forget what we did in the Philippines and in other places. So if we wanted to become this humanitarian nation many seem to think we are, we need to return to what we were not supposed to do.

If we use a "client" nation to try to put a stop to those actions, it's bad. If we take military action, a world war starts.

So the best thing is to just stay home. Watch and defend our country FIRST.

When we ignore it, millions die. If a world war starts even more millions die.

Not really, what used to be was not what there is today. The UN is the world's police, not us.

I would LOVE to hear some solutions. Even handed solutions. What will we support and why? What we will oppose, and why? How will we support or oppose and why?

Yep, here are a few.

1 - focus on our internal problems and our borders. Stop allowing an invasion to take place on both borders while stopping human trafficking and other crimes.

2 - focus on our economy, not what we can do to put more money into it via the federal government but removing the feds from the scene - altogether. A strong economy is the best defense against any country.

3 - defer problems in other counties to the one thing that they all look up to - the UN. Let the UN deal with the issues so they are the ones to blame when it doesn't work.

I venture to guess that no one hear has the answers and I doubt that Mr. Paul does.

Those are three simple solutions. "mr Paul" may know more about others, I don't doubt that a member of congress wouldn't know more than any of us drivers.