Logs, Randoms and 34's

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

highway star said:
So, what's the point?

No point in particular. Just that you can be on a 34 hour reset, have to go for a random and have to start your 34 over and lose MORE time without being able to make money. I believe that you should NEVER have a "34" messed up by a "random" or anything else.

highway star · Feb 6, 2011

No, when I asked "what's the point" it's the truck and driver OOS thing. Every company I've been with my truck goes with me when I'm OOS. I don't understand doing both.

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

highway star said:
No, when I asked "what's the point" it's the truck and driver OOS thing. Every company I've been with my truck goes with me when I'm OOS. I don't understand doing both.

Ok, I understand. I DON'T understand the idea that a truck can be out and not the drivers either. A LOT about this business makes no sense.

Tennesseahawk · Feb 6, 2011

layoutshooter said:
Ok, I understand. I DON'T understand the idea that a truck can be out and not the drivers either. A LOT about this business makes no sense.

No offense, LOS... sometimes the carrier makes the sense or not.

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

Tennesseahawk said:
No offense, LOS... sometimes the carrier makes the sense or not.

No offense taken!! The carrier often makes no sense, the DOT hardly ever makes sense, and neither do I!!!

I guess that just about covers it.

greg334 · Feb 6, 2011

Are you speaking of being out of service as a truck under DOT rules or company policy?

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

greg334 said:
Are you speaking of being out of service as a truck under DOT rules or company policy?

I have no idea.

cheri1122 · Feb 6, 2011

It would seem to be a FedEx thing: the regs clearly state that random names are chosen from those "on duty" in safety sensitive positions.
Over the years, I've had 4 random tests, every one upon a return to duty status.
Someone needs to get an answer from FedEx, methinks.

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

cheri1122 said:
It would seem to be a FedEx thing: the regs clearly state that random names are chosen from those "on duty" in safety sensitive positions.
Over the years, I've had 4 random tests, every one upon a return to duty status.
Someone needs to get an answer from FedEx, methinks.

I want to know what DOT says. I have trouble reading their regs. I got "randomed" 4 times in two years. Mrs. Layout has never had one. I am on a 34. I want to know what DOT says. Can THEY force me to "open a log" for a "random" I consider me off right now. What IF I am called for a random and refuse since I am "OFF" on a 34 reset?

cheri1122 · Feb 6, 2011

Refuse to comply, and you'll be terminated, no ifs, ands, or buts.
I believe FedEx is mistaken in including OOS drivers in the random pool, but the time to challenge it is before they notify you that you've been chosen, not after.

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

cheri1122 said:
Refuse to comply, and you'll be terminated, no ifs, ands, or buts.
I believe FedEx is mistaken in including OOS drivers in the random pool, but the time to challenge it is before they notify you that you've been chosen, not after.

I know that, I would NEVER refuse to comply. The question was, is a person on a 34 reset out of service? FedEx says no if you are pre-dispatched. Just asking real questions to problems that I do not fully understand.

highway star · Feb 6, 2011

My thought is that you're just off duty doing a 34, unless you told them you were OOS. But, as I said, there's some flexibility. There's no need for them to interrupt your reset. That's just dumb.

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

FedEx will NOT allow you to go OOS if pre-dispacthed. I think that If you are doing a "34" You are OOS. I sent a message to FedEx that we were "out of hours" and doing a "34". I don't know the "legal" answer to this. Do anyone?

cheri1122 · Feb 6, 2011

Think you answered it yourself, in the first sentence: FedEx will not allow you to go OOS if predispatched.
My carrier feels differently: I was predispatched Friday for a load picking up tomorrow, and have been OOS all weekend.

highway star · Feb 6, 2011

Oh the joy of having a computer run your life!

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

cheri1122 said:
Think you answered it yourself, in the first sentence: FedEx will not allow you to go OOS if predispatched.
My carrier feels differently: I was predispatched Friday for a load picking up tomorrow, and have been OOS all weekend.

I KNOW what FedEx says, that is not always the "LEGAL" answer according to DOT. I was predispatched since Thursday. I want to know what the LAW is. I have not the ability to determine that for myself. I cannot read, "legaleez". My fault to be sure, but it is what it is.

DriverX · Feb 6, 2011

I have been off duty on vacation(and told dispatch)
only to get thru security at the airport and recive a call from safety telling me I am up for a random.
I told them I was about to board a plane only to be told I had an hour to get to the clinic.And not going wold cont as a refusal ! I told them once more that the truck and my wife and myself were off duty on vacation.But they would not budge, even telling me my wife could go but I had to take the test wich I did so as not to have a refusal on our record. I missed our flight and would not be able to take a later one and missed the departure time for our cruise wich cost us about 5 grand!
I took the test like I said and now were are thinking about changing carriers or retiring as the higher ups in white glove told us as long as were are in the fleet, we have to be available for the test and not having boarded the plane yet we were considered available!

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

When on vacation we ALWAYS take ourselves OOS. We too are white glove. You CAN do that. I don't know who told you other wise. Did you take yourself OOS prior to going on vacation? If not, why not? We take ourselves OOS EVERY time we are home for more that 24 hours.

cheri1122 · Feb 6, 2011

Reading legalese can be tough - I spent a long time looking for an answer earlier today, cos I wanted to know what the FMCSA actually says on the subject, which is the first sentence of post 28.
But it doesn't matter, if the Fed says you're in service, because they're the ones telling you to come in for a random, right? Even if they're wrong, you have to play by their rules if you wish to stay with them.

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

cheri1122 said:
Reading legalese can be tough - I spent a long time looking for an answer earlier today, cos I wanted to know what the FMCSA actually says on the subject, which is the first sentence of post 28.
But it doesn't matter, if the Fed says you're in service, because they're the ones telling you to come in for a random, right? Even if they're wrong, you have to play by their rules if you wish to stay with them.

Yeah, I know that too. That dose NOT answer my question. I HATE the idea that I would have to lose MORE hours for a "random" while doing a "34" Put that into the "new" HOS rules, with two midnight to 6am's and a team got lose more than a week of income. Is THAT a good idea? None of this makes sense to me. I need a lawyer to explain it so it will, if it ever can.