Logs, Randoms and 34's

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

OK, since random drug tests have to be logged, what happens if you are on a 34 hour reset? Does it cancel that out and you have to start it over to get your clocks reset? What about the limit on off duty driving? It is often more than we are allowed to drive on our EOBR to get to these clinics from where we might be? Can some of this silliness be waved? With a team it is possible for one team member to have a random one day then the other the next. (how ever unlikely that is it is possible) That could really mess up 34's.

moose · Feb 6, 2011

Why on earth would you take ANY 'duty' work while 'off duty' ?

highway star · Feb 6, 2011

If you go back on duty then, of course, you stop the reset. It's my experience that the companies have a bit of flexibility in when you're asked. If they see you're on a 34 it'd be reasonable for them to wait until you've got your hours back. But, based on some of the stories I've heard about the Fed... Well, good luck.

jjoerger · Feb 6, 2011

layoutshooter said:
OK, since random drug tests have to be logged, what happens if you are on a 34 hour reset? Does it cancel that out and you have to start it over to get your clocks reset? What about the limit on off duty driving? It is often more than we are allowed to drive on our EOBR to get to these clinics from where we might be? Can some of this silliness be waved? With a team it is possible for one team member to have a random one day then the other the next. (how ever unlikely that is it is possible) That could really mess up 34's.

You move the truck you start your clock and a drug test is an on duty activity. But there is a guy in logging that can change anything even after you approve and send. Like the time I drove off from a rest area without switching myself to the active driver.

greg334 · Feb 6, 2011

You call your CC or who ever in the food chain and ask them what you do.

nightcreacher · Feb 6, 2011

I dont log drug tests.If I would drive my truck to a drug test,I drop the trailer,then my truck becomes my personal vehicle.You guys in vans and straight trucks cant do that.

purgoose10 · Feb 6, 2011

layoutshooter said:
OK, since random drug tests have to be logged, what happens if you are on a 34 hour reset? Does it cancel that out and you have to start it over to get your clocks reset? What about the limit on off duty driving? It is often more than we are allowed to drive on our EOBR to get to these clinics from where we might be? Can some of this silliness be waved? With a team it is possible for one team member to have a random one day then the other the next. (how ever unlikely that is it is possible) That could really mess up 34's.

If your company requires you to log a test or physical or any of the above, it kills your restart and you must start it over.

cheri1122 · Feb 6, 2011

The pool from which random names are selected for drug testing is supposed to be purged of names of those off duty, [vacation, ill, day off] before names are selected, so no one should interrupt a 34 hr restart to test. It does have to be logged.

nightcreacher · Feb 6, 2011

cheri1122 said:
The pool from which random names are selected for drug testing is supposed to be purged of names of those off duty, [vacation, ill, day off] before names are selected, so no one should interrupt a 34 hr restart to test. It does have to be logged.

Cheri,Ive been called for a drug test when I was off duty at home,but I was told they couldn't give me an alcohol test since I was off duty.Its happened to me twice

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

I have NEVER asked this of my carrier, has any one ever asked? Inquiring minds want to know. This question is real and very important in the days of EOBR's. Can you be "forced" (for lack of a better term) to do a "random" while on a 34 hour reset? What would happen if you told your carrier to "stick it" if called for a random while on a 34?

greg334 · Feb 6, 2011

Cheri, we're talking about FedEx, I've been called every quarter for 4 or 5 quarters in a row and each time I was told it was random but found out otherwise.

Layout - ask your CC or the safety department and get a name.

jjoerger · Feb 6, 2011

If you don't want to be called for a random you would have to put your truck and yourself out of service. (You have to call dispatch to put yourself out) We do this whenever we are at home and don't want to be disturbed.
A 34 hour restart is not required to be on duty just to get your 70 hours back.

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

Greg, I am NOT throwing stones as FDCC. This is a real question that could affect all of us no matter what carrier we drive for.

greg334 · Feb 6, 2011

Well I'm not beating them up either. BUT with that said I have two different answers, one from FedEx and one from my present company.

There is a real legitimate reason why I am saying what I am saying - get the information directly from the company and see if it makes sense. While your at it, ask to see the "official" drug testing policy and see if you actually get it

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

jjoerger said:
If you don't want to be called for a random you would have to put your truck and yourself out of service. (You have to call dispatch to put yourself out) We do this whenever we are at home and don't want to be disturbed.
A 34 hour restart is not required to be on duty just to get your 70 hours back.

We CAN'T put our truck out of service, we are pre-dispatched for a Monday load. How else do you get your 70 hours back? When the 70 is gone, it is gone. There are just so many hours you can recover from the prior week. When I shut down last night I was down to less than 4 hours. It is hard to run trying to pick up hours from the week before when you are that low.

jjoerger · Feb 6, 2011

I might be mistaken but I seem to remember someone posting that you could go OOS while predispatched. I think it was A Team but I am not sure.

layoutshooter · Feb 6, 2011

jjoerger said:
I might be mistaken but I seem to remember someone posting that you could go OOS while predispatched. I think it was A Team but I am not sure.

We have tried that before, no go.