Load One

[jelliott]

Hawk was with us previously and didn't leave for any bad reason. I know he feels positively about the company. This is really all about how to slice and dice the numbers for the owner vs driver. Again market forces always find a way to balance all those things out.

So how about that Lions game today??? LOL

 

[Ragman]

So how about that Lions game today??? LOL

What's a Lions game?

 

[westmicher]

So how about that Lions game today??? LOL

We are going to be sitting on the edge of our seat and praying that they somehow pull off the win! But I am afraid it will be an uphill battle to do that.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Hawk was with us previously and didn't leave for any bad reason. I know he feels positively about the company. This is really all about how to slice and dice the numbers for the owner vs driver. Again market forces always find a way to balance all those things out.

So how about that Lions game today??? LOL

I don't know why you've deemed it necessary to say so. I haven't said anything negative about Load One, and have stated numberous times that I believe you are among the best for teams. I've had my best weeks ever, while driving team last year. This is strictly an owner/driver issue that relates only to Load One's contractors, and how they deal with pay via Load One's rate structure. We're good, John.

 

[jelliott]

Just clarifying for some my friend.

That and I get bored sitting by this pool in Puerto Rico on vacation. LOL

 

[Moot]

That and I get bored sitting by this pool in Puerto Rico on vacation. LOL

I hear you John! I'm bored sitting by this pool in Minnesota. And cold! A load south would be nice. Even Des Moines sounds good.
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[jelliott]

Thank god for the EO app to get us through times like this. LOL

 

[Dynamite 1]

Im through it !!!!!!!!!

 

[cheri1122]

Im not, im simply stating that we have no shame in making a decent profit as business owners and drivers on 40% are not as unjustly treated as you seem to think !!!!!!! I didnt think anyone was questioning my loyalty i was just stating we are happy with it as are our drivers.

There is no reason to be ashamed of making a decent profit - it's what we're all working for, isn't it? There are reasons other than money to base a decision on, which no one mentioned, but they matter, too.
The only reason to be ashamed is if one is cheating, or being deceptive, to increase their profit unfairly, and Tom is not doing that, to the best of my knowledge - and I do know how to operate a calculator, lol.
I can only speak for this driver, but I think Tom & Tina are doing fine as fleet owners.

 

[Bruno]

There is no reason to be ashamed of making a decent profit - it's what we're all working for, isn't it? There are reasons other than money to base a decision on, which no one mentioned, but they matter, too.
The only reason to be ashamed is if one is cheating, or being deceptive, to increase their profit unfairly, and Tom is not doing that, to the best of my knowledge - and I do know how to operate a calculator, lol.
I can only speak for this driver, but I think Tom & Tina are doing fine as fleet owners.

I have stayed out of this for the most part. I get what you're trying to say Hawk, but in Tom and Tina defense there not hiding anything. They pay 40% of the linehaul and they pay the fuel and tolls. We do the same thing with our trucks, but its 40% of everything except fuel surcharge. The drivers get 100% of hand loads and border crossing fees. We are on a flat rate and Tom and Tina trucks are on a percentage. Tom and Tina also gives the driver's 40% of the 3% extra Load1 pays them for having the big logos on the trucks. The reason owners are in this business is because they want to make a profit. They are not here to buy trucks so drivers have a job. If a driver agrees to work for what Tom and Tina has offered them so be it. It's really none of mine or your business. Do I think Tom and Tina are ripping their driver's off, no. They haven't doubled their fleet in the pass few years by cheating someone. I'm not trying to be a cheerleader for anyone in this.

Cheri is right on the money. There is nothing wrong with an owner trying to make a decent profit. It's when owners tries to cheat driver's then it's bad. Also the linehaul on each load at Load1 is different. Some may pay $1.10 a mile and some may pay $1.50 per mile. So the drivers pay goes up and it can also go down. Like I said, I'm not taking sides but all fleet owners aren't rich like some people may think.

 

[JENNANDDUSTY]

I have stayed out of this for the most part. I get what you're trying to say Hawk, but in Tom and Tina defense there not hiding anything. They pay 40% of the linehaul and they pay the fuel and tolls. We do the same thing with our trucks, but its 40% of everything except fuel surcharge. The drivers get 100% of hand loads and border crossing fees. We are on a flat rate and Tom and Tina trucks are on a percentage. Tom and Tina also gives the driver's 40% of the 3% extra Load1 pays them for having the big logos on the trucks. The reason owners are in this business is because they want to make a profit. They are not here to buy trucks so drivers have a job. If a driver agrees to work for what Tom and Tina has offered them so be it. It's really none of mine or your business. Do I think Tom and Tina are ripping their driver's off, no. They haven't doubled their fleet in the pass few years by cheating someone. I'm not trying to be a cheerleader for anyone in this.

Cheri is right on the money. There is nothing wrong with an owner trying to make a decent profit. It's when owners tries to cheat driver's then it's bad. Also the linehaul on each load at Load1 is different. Some may pay $1.10 a mile and some may pay $1.50 per mile. So the drivers pay goes up and it can also go down. Like I said, I'm not taking sides but all fleet owners aren't rich like some people may think.

I would like to say thanks for everyone who contributed to this post. I really appreciate your numbers Davekc and Tennesseehawk. It helps to clarify the real issue at hand. The issue was never meant to be about an owner ripping a driver off at 40 or 50% but rather why it is different in the Load One system from others and I now have a better understanding of that. Owners should all make a profit or there becomes the issue real fast of why an owner stuck his neck out in the first place to create the business. There comes the issue of fairness to to the driver, and if both are satisfied, then all is perfect. I like how you stated your rate at Load One Dave and find that very fair.

 

[davekc]

I would like to say thanks for everyone who contributed to this post. I really appreciate your numbers Davekc and Tennesseehawk. It helps to clarify the real issue at hand. The issue was never meant to be about an owner ripping a driver off at 40 or 50% but rather why it is different in the Load One system from others and I now have a better understanding of that. Owners should all make a profit or there becomes the issue real fast of why an owner stuck his neck out in the first place to create the business. There comes the issue of fairness to to the driver, and if both are satisfied, then all is perfect. I like how you stated your rate at Load One Dave and find that very fair.

Thanks. We think for the Load One system, it is the best set up while protecting both parties interest. Balance is the key. Our drivers negotiate their own loads and in their system, this provides additional compensation as well as a forced scrutiny of loads since we are both impacted by those decisions. One of the suggested methods was using a flat rate of say .60. Some situations it works just fine. But if you had a steady stream of dollar line hauls coupled with any DH, the fleet owner is trying to operate on thirty some cents per mile. Not good. Especially in a slower period.
On the flip side, a team may be reluctant to do a shorter high paying load because they are only getting .60 cents. On the percentage, they would get the majority of the extra revenue for that type of run. Again, everyone wins. Basically just an explanation of how we got to this pay plan with input from drivers.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

There is no reason to be ashamed of making a decent profit - it's what we're all working for, isn't it? There are reasons other than money to base a decision on, which no one mentioned, but they matter, too.
The only reason to be ashamed is if one is cheating, or being deceptive, to increase their profit unfairly, and Tom is not doing that, to the best of my knowledge - and I do know how to operate a calculator, lol.
I can only speak for this driver, but I think Tom & Tina are doing fine as fleet owners.

When I went solo w Load One, it was without the knowledge of the surcharge, in part, taking place of some of the linehaul. I was given the 40/60 split contract, which I signed. Nothing seemed out of place in the contract. But the owner would have nothing to do with me taking on fuel, and it's obvious why, now; but at the time, it wasn't. If I had known the linehaul is the way it is, I would've been able to negotiate with the full knowledge the owner had at the time. That is not something an owner would just forget, or think irrelevant. Would you agree? It's not chump change.

Now, as far as Dynamite is concerned, they took up the mantle of owner for my argument, when I said owners using the 40/60 had taken advantage of this system, I meant those who paid such, with the idea that they'd get over on the driver. Being that Dynamite put extras into the pay, which makes it around the prevailing rate, I told them they were not who I was aiming this toward. However, we kept sparring. I'd personally never believe the Dynamite team would go so low. We've been around here a long time, and I've never gotten that vibe. I apologize if it came across that way.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

I have stayed out of this for the most part. I get what you're trying to say Hawk, but in Tom and Tina defense there not hiding anything. They pay 40% of the linehaul and they pay the fuel and tolls. We do the same thing with our trucks, but its 40% of everything except fuel surcharge. The drivers get 100% of hand loads and border crossing fees. We are on a flat rate and Tom and Tina trucks are on a percentage. Tom and Tina also gives the driver's 40% of the 3% extra Load1 pays them for having the big logos on the trucks. The reason owners are in this business is because they want to make a profit. They are not here to buy trucks so drivers have a job. If a driver agrees to work for what Tom and Tina has offered them so be it. It's really none of mine or your business. Do I think Tom and Tina are ripping their driver's off, no. They haven't doubled their fleet in the pass few years by cheating someone. I'm not trying to be a cheerleader for anyone in this.

Cheri is right on the money. There is nothing wrong with an owner trying to make a decent profit. It's when owners tries to cheat driver's then it's bad. Also the linehaul on each load at Load1 is different. Some may pay $1.10 a mile and some may pay $1.50 per mile. So the drivers pay goes up and it can also go down. Like I said, I'm not taking sides but all fleet owners aren't rich like some people may think.

Well, Dave, I really wish someone would've butted into my business, and given me the heads up on the surcharge and linehaul. And here I thought that's what EO is about... educating people of what to expect.

 

[Dynamite 1]

Nope, we are good. I was trying to make the point that we do make a profit and the drivers do well and the fsc isnt as bloated as some may think. It all works out in the end. Thanks though !!

 

[OntarioVanMan]

naw......

 

[triciaguge1]

Hey there...anyone know of anyone at Load One looking to put a husband/wife experienced team in a straight truck with possible lease/purchase?

Please contact me @ 606-723-9815.
I HAVE SEVERAL TRUCKS LEASED ON AT lOAD ONE.

THANKS

PAT

 

[Bruno]

Well, Dave, I really wish someone would've butted into my business, and given me the heads up on the surcharge and linehaul. And here I thought that's what EO is about... educating people of what to expect.

Hawk, yes is EO is for helping others. We all know that Load1 has the highest FSC in the business and it helps paying the fuel, but owner aren't making money on it as you seem to think. I could talk about this for hours, but I won't. Driver's paying the fuel and getting 100% of the FSC can make a great living if they are smart and slow down. We have a solo driver that puts on an average of $250.00 to $400.00 a week back in his pocket just because he is driving at 58 mph. When he runs team it's double that or more each week.

Maybe owner's should go back to the 50/50 now that fuel is coming down. That is the way contractors was paid before fuel started going up. We didn't have a FSC back then either. Driver's today want the 96 inch sleeper with all the bells and whistles. That is great, but the truck owners have higher truck payments because of drivers wants and needs. Back in 1995 a D unit with a 60 inch sleeper was selling for $62,500.00. A C unit with a 48 inch double bunk sleeper sold for $47,500.00. I understand how you feel. You want what you feel you're worth in pay. We all do, people have a choice to drive for who ever they wish to.

 

[Tennesseahawk]

Hawk, yes is EO is for helping others. We all know that Load1 has the highest FSC in the business and it helps paying the fuel, but owner aren't making money on it as you seem to think. I could talk about this for hours, but I won't. Driver's paying the fuel and getting 100% of the FSC can make a great living if they are smart and slow down. We have a solo driver that puts on an average of $250.00 to $400.00 a week back in his pocket just because he is driving at 58 mph. When he runs team it's double that or more each week.

Maybe owner's should go back to the 50/50 now that fuel is coming down. That is the way contractors was paid before fuel started going up. We didn't have a FSC back then either. Driver's today want the 96 inch sleeper with all the bells and whistles. That is great, but the truck owners have higher truck payments because of drivers wants and needs. Back in 1995 a D unit with a 60 inch sleeper was selling for $62,500.00. A C unit with a 48 inch double bunk sleeper sold for $47,500.00. I understand how you feel. You want what you feel you're worth in pay. We all do, people have a choice to drive for who ever they wish to.

It has nothing to do with "what I think I'm worth," Dave. I pointed out that it doesn't measure up with 40/60 splits at other companies. You're at Panther as well as Load One, are you not? Tell me they're equal... I beg you. While you're at it, please tell me why you're not at XPO.

As far as the 96" sleeper goes, isn't that a gimmick you get so you can hook better teams? Then I would say that's part of your cost, not something you pass off to your drivers.

 

[jelliott]

Is it me or did this train jump the tracks?