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muttly

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Anyone who has ever borrowed money to begin a new business and succeeded will tell you that you CAN borrow your way out of debt - it depends on how you spend the proceeds, is all.
The Republican focus on the evil of debt is misguided at best and destructive at worst. Spending is a better issue, but they screw that up, too, IMO.

So your saying the ones doing the borrowing will be the ones paying back the debt?

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ter...e-explosion-fed-owns-more-treasuries-and-mbss
 
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davekc

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Anyone who has ever borrowed money to begin a new business and succeeded will tell you that you CAN borrow your way out of debt - it depends on how you spend the proceeds, is all.
The Republican focus on the evil of debt is misguided at best and destructive at worst. Spending is a better issue, but they screw that up, too, IMO.

In most cases you can't borrow your way out of debt unless you are producing revenue with the borrowed money. Not the case with government. Education as you mentioned for investment, is a poor investment. The department of education should be shut down. We as a country spend more than any other country per student, with the worst results.

As for welfare, they aren't talking about big cuts. They are proposing a 4 billion dollar reduction in a 100 billion dollar program. Yesterday dear Nancy Pelosi said there was "nowhere at all to cut in government". I can't stop laughing. ;)
There is you real problem.
 

Brisco

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Then you need to be specific, because there's a lot of entitlements being funded by the government besides welfare and food stamps. However, speaking of food stamps, here's an interesting article..........

In Other words....with everything you Support above........You have NO Problem with this Guy:

 

layoutshooter

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"Nancy Pelosi said there was "nowhere at all to cut in government". I can't stop laughing."


Might as well laugh, crying just makes your face wet. The government is, however, a joke, so you might as well laugh at them.
 

Brisco

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I just read an interesting article about how some local officials are finding out that WalMart actually costs them money, after a year or so. The jobs they bring are about the same number as those that are lost when local businesses [bakeries, butchers, clothing shops, drugstores, newspapers] fold, but the departing businesses [which generally paid better wages & benefits] leave behind the empty retail "For rent" places that look like blight. And WM isn't a local corporation, so most taxes don't go to local government.

I'd say you have a LOT you need to learn about running a "Business" and how Local Businesses contribute to the Local Economy as a whole............

I would try to explain to you how Wal-Mart contributes to Local Economies, especially when it comes to Sales Tax Revenues - Which is a 100% LOCAL / STATE Tax Resource, 1000 Fold over Mom & Pop stores.........but it would be total waste of my time.............
 

layoutshooter

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It is also more than possible for the "mom and pop" stores to survive, and even prosper, in a town with a Walmart, or similar competition.

The trick is not to compete directly. Provide personal service, which Walmart does not. Sell products, that Walmart does not. Mom and pop stores know the area and their customers. Selling around and providing service will keep them in business and allow them to prosper.
 

LDB

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In Other words....with everything you Support above........You have NO Problem with this Guy:

What a worthless bum! He should be deported immediately as he is unfit to be an American and undeserving of living here.
 

cheri1122

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I'd say you have a LOT you need to learn about running a "Business" and how Local Businesses contribute to the Local Economy as a whole............

I would try to explain to you how Wal-Mart contributes to Local Economies, especially when it comes to Sales Tax Revenues - Which is a 100% LOCAL / STATE Tax Resource, 1000 Fold over Mom & Pop stores.........but it would be total waste of my time.............

I wish I could find the article [Barron's, maybe?] but I've looked and I can't - yet.
I understand that sales and income taxes go to the city & state, but what the city/state officials said is that after a year or so of welcoming WM with incentives, they found the tradeoff was not in their favor. The sales tax collected didn't equal the expenditures they had made and were continuing to make, when all factors were considered. The WM employees became a drag on the resources of the social services, being eligible for food stamps, free school lunches for their kids, heating assistance - all kinds of means tested benefits. And they used the hospital emergency room for primary medical care, because they didn't have & couldn't afford insurance.
WM needs us more than we need them, and some people are waking up to that, finally.
 

layoutshooter

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"WM needs us more than we need them, and some people are waking up to that, finally."

That is the same for every business. Someday Walmart will fall, Sears did. Wards did. They all do. I go where the lots are big enough to get into. I stay away from Targets, their food section sucks. Other than that, I buy what I need, when I need it and try to get it for the best price possible.

Walmart is not evil, just successful.
 

cheri1122

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In Other words....with everything you Support above........You have NO Problem with this Guy:


I have quite a few problems with people who just want a free ride, and they should be made to reimburse whatever they got from taxpayers.
I just don't think the overwhelming majority of people needing assistance are committing fraud, as some seem to believe.
This week Blackberry laid off 4500 people - you think most of them will find jobs that pay their bills? The layoffs and job eliminations have outpaced hiring for YEARS, and the hiring is mostly low wage retail/fast food, so when you insist people are just too lazy to work, it's because that's what you choose to believe, not what the actual evidence suggests.
 

LDB

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I just don't think the overwhelming majority of people needing assistance are committing fraud, as some seem to believe.

The overwhelming majority? No.
The majority? Probably not.
A significant number? Pretty much guaranteed.
 

cheri1122

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Food stamps: How does the program work? - The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

A little bit of actual factual info for your perusal.
We can all agree that people needing assistance has mushroomed, but the difference is in the underlying assumptions about why. I don't believe human nature has morphed to the point where people who have worked for a living are now content to get by on about half as much money [never mind the shame and scorn included] because it's "easier" than working. That opinion is reinforced by the almost weekly news of mass layoffs, and reports of discrimination in hiring [eg: older people, those who are already unemployed, 'overqualified', etc] and personal experience in both trying to make do on less income, and trying to get hired when the market is flooded with applicants.
Your beliefs are reinforced by the occasional anecdotal report [or personal observation] of people who don't 'deserve' assistance, which you extrapolate to cover a great many more.
The bottom line is to determine why so many people need assistance, and how to fix the problem, not just scream about the numbers and grab the knife to slash them.

It's getting even worse: people who do work for a living [and make decent money and have good credit] are finding they can't buy a house, because the sellers prefer buyers with cash - and they're getting them. SMH.
 

AMonger

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It's getting even worse: people who do work for a living [and make decent money and have good credit] are finding they can't buy a house, because the sellers prefer buyers with cash - and they're getting them. SMH.
Let's not forget health insurance. Families on existing health insurance plans are seeing their premiums double or triple. I have no idea how they're going to pay for that. I bet mine is going to double, and my share is already outrageous.
 

LDB

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I had BCBS insurance to cover in case of a disaster. The total out of pocket was something like $13k. It had the lowest premium, about $85 a month. It went up a bit every year and was up to around $125 a month. Then the PRO's worked their magic and it jumped to $210 a month. The next renewal it was going up to almost $300 a month so I dropped it. Thanks Obamacare and all the FOOLS who supported it and continue to do so.
 

davekc

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I had BCBS insurance to cover in case of a disaster. The total out of pocket was something like $13k. It had the lowest premium, about $85 a month. It went up a bit every year and was up to around $125 a month. Then the PRO's worked their magic and it jumped to $210 a month. The next renewal it was going up to almost $300 a month so I dropped it. Thanks Obamacare and all the FOOLS who supported it and continue to do so.


This is just the first wave. Wait until you add 11 million illegals to that number. It will certainly redefine what foreign aid means.
 

davekc

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Food stamps: How does the program work? - The Christian Science Monitor - CSMonitor.com

A little bit of actual factual info for your perusal.
We can all agree that people needing assistance has mushroomed, but the difference is in the underlying assumptions about why. I don't believe human nature has morphed to the point where people who have worked for a living are now content to get by on about half as much money [never mind the shame and scorn included] because it's "easier" than working. That opinion is reinforced by the almost weekly news of mass layoffs, and reports of discrimination in hiring [eg: older people, those who are already unemployed, 'overqualified', etc] and personal experience in both trying to make do on less income, and trying to get hired when the market is flooded with applicants.
Your beliefs are reinforced by the occasional anecdotal report [or personal observation] of people who don't 'deserve' assistance, which you extrapolate to cover a great many more.
The bottom line is to determine why so many people need assistance, and how to fix the problem, not just scream about the numbers and grab the knife to slash them.

It's getting even worse: people who do work for a living [and make decent money and have good credit] are finding they can't buy a house, because the sellers prefer buyers with cash - and they're getting them. SMH.

I think one thing that is constantly left out is that many on welfare also work under the table. That is never mentioned but many do. That is often how these households gain income for big screens, 200 shoes, rims, tatoos, cigerettes and the list goes on. The "underground" economy is huge and is growing at a very fast clip.
This is one of the very reasons that if abled bodied, one should work or perform community service for their benefits after a prescribed period of time.
 
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